Prince needs to find the hunger he once had and I don't buy that he's too old to find the energy. If his bank account got too low for comfort he would miraculously find inspiration make peace with a major label and dare I say it start touring again instead of playing Russian billionaires carribean parties.

Jeez, dont wish that on anybody.

Everyone deserves financial stability and a chance to take it easy when we get older whats wrong with you

Agreed!

I don't think being worried about finances or desperate for money results in the same kind of emotionally-charged music as does music generated by deeper passions and desires which just MUST be expressed creatively (in Prince's case, through music..).

Prince is older now, and has had more life experience. He's just not going to feel emotions and desires the same way he did as a younger man, and that IS going to affect his music.

Like violetblues, I'd never wish money problems on anybody.
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RubyButterfly said:

You misunderstood. I beleive in a karmic universe so I would never want anyone to be broke. I mean less money by prince standards which is still a fortune.However the fact that he's not touring indicates that he's gotten comforable and complacent.Before he had his musicology tour score he toured for 5 years straight. Now all he does is attend fashion shows.Many legends like Clint East wood created their best works after 55.

dawnboy999 said:

Then don't buy his music. That's less $$$ in his pocket.

And why would you wish that on anyone? Pretty low, really.

dawnboy999 said:

With such fans Prince doesn´t need enemies

This is just stupid, even for the org.

Musicians have lost their money before, and it didn't make them better songwriters.

1986 to 1987 stormy time with Susannah, the revolution, annoyance at record company.

1994 to 1995 falls out with record company

2007 - gets annoyed at fans releases best song in years.

Prince is most creative when he's pi$$ed off, not broke.
That's why I'm gonna give him a wedgie if I see him on the street, and I'd advise you all to do the same.

Erik
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Money as the ultimate motivator is hardly a stupid concept.I'm not saying if he wasn't worth 400 million dollars he would write another purple rain. Your critisism is off base.Prince is my favorite musician I am hardly a hater. However he has been mailing it in a lot of performances lately.He's still the best but I think he's too comfortable now and it's starting to affect his vocals his live performances and his all around vibe.

When Leonard Cohen lost all his money and went more or less broke, he didn't exactly come out of it with a masterpiece on record.

In fact, the tour he was forced to go on in order to earn some money was, besides being actually rather good, just sad, sad, sad to see. You don't want to see a concert by any artist, if the artist is only there because he has to be there, like a hollow shell doing the old songs with no urgency but the financial one.

Yeah, I know Cohen is from Mars and Prince is from .. another galaxy all together, but still ...

Leonard was 70 years old at that point. I'm kind of sorry I started this thread. It's coming off wrong.I'm also a Howard stern fan and I know when Howard went to satelite radio and signed a 500 million dollar contract he was never the same.I don't feel prince gives as much at his concerts and I think money is partially to blame.

erik319 said:

I've said that over and over on here. Prince has made his best music when he's in conflict in his life. During the middle 80's, he was just flat out prolific. He made music by the dozens. Back then, it truly was like breathing for him. But when he was having issues w/ Susannah, or Susan M., he pulled out gems like "The Beautiful Ones", and "When Doves Cry", and "Condition of the Heart". He broke up his band, and his girlfriend, and we got SOTT, and so forth.

During his war with the WB, from 1993-1996, that was an incredible time for music. Such strong stuff, probably his best material to date, was put out. COME, The Gold Experience, The Beautiful Experience EP, Exodus, and Chaos & Disorder, plus one of the biggest times for protege songs from "Love Sign", to the whole 1.800.NEW.FUNK compilation. Plus everyone from Mavis, Carmen, NPG, etc had albums put out.

Not sure about 2007 though. I think since he got "free" and has had any real major conflict in his life (suing fans seems to be a hobby to him, not some turmoil moment), that his music has suffered a bit.

The best music was when he was young confident and full of piss and vinegar.Money problems brought about the worst run of his career, the 90's era where he dumbed his music down to the the most common denominator, aping current trends in a cringeworthy fashion. Other than a handfull of song in the 90's, it was the most cringeworthy music of an artist of his caliber.

Hopefully he is happy confident and financially stable, fuck what we the "fans" want.
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The last thing anybody needs, especially a black musician is money problems. The music industry has been treating them like prostitutes for years. Then along comes a man who challenges all of that and to have him fail would be...tragic.


That being said, what Prince really needs is friends around him to tell him how crappy so much of his new material has been and for him to sit down and actually listen. He claims in his really, really, REALLY strange interviews with Tavis that he likes constructive criticism. Perhaps, he likes it cause it's always really just praise from friends.

ernestsewell said:

Agreed. As for 2007, What I mean was he got pissed off at fans and was spurned on to make something angry, quick and pissed off and we got PFUnk.... Which for me was a tiny pinprick in the blandness that surrounded it and gave me hope that he CAN still produce the goods when he's pissed off.

So... See Prince + wedgie = good music. Don't let me down people... The funk needs you!

Erik

erik319 said:

Well he was doing that as far back as 2002 with "Pearls B4 The Swine". He also made fun of fans on one of the latter Ahdio Shows from NPGMC 2001.

LOL Some Prince fans are sick. First there were ones saying he needed to get his heart broken by Mani, and now we get ones saying he needs to become broke. No wonder he hates his fans sometimes.

i have noticed the people on here r either really young or uneducated cuz they talk like they str8 out some wierdo movie

dawnboy999 said:

That's harsh.

Even for PMM this thread is bonkers,
I'm surprised the mods haven't locked this thing yet

violetblues said:

Agreed!

violetblues said:

The mods have to pace themselves.

They're probably saving their strength for the inevitable "Prince needs to have another parent die on him in order to get inspiration" thread.

I don't think the moderators are the problem. The people who have responded to this thread are way off. Maybe I improperly worded this thread but I never said he should be desperate for money I never wished anything bad for him nor did I want him to be a starving artist. I merely made the point that if he wasn't so crazy wealthy he would do a lot of things differently especially tour which is what we all really want.

And the most selfish orger award goes to...!

rwn said:

Some Prince fans are his enemies they won't just walk away it's a Strange Relationship they hold on to

I think prince is selfish. Prince fires bandmembers at will. He ends freindships at will. He won't allow anything on the internet unless he can profit from it. He sues mothers who use his songs for playful reasons on YouTube.Not touring for years and only playing live for huge payday is extremely selfish in my books.

He even mocks all the people who follow him on the net and basically makes fun of them and None of his fans seem to get angry or even care.I think prince fans need to take a good look in the mirror.

Right. Because desperation is so inspirational.