ufoclub said:

hey thanks for the reply. Now I totally get it. And understand how the boots can get out. So they were of good quality by design by prince but for purposes other than release to public and then they get lifted and leaked. Totally believable.

prodigalfan said:

I talked to a record store owner in Minneapolis years ago and Prince didn't buy anything. He just took the CDs, said some words and left. I think the owner was just thankful he wasn't prosecuted.

BartVanHemelen said:

gosh I know you may think people are thick bit you reply shows you are thick as well in. In case you couldn't figure it out... That bit on my post about people who don't want to discuss this need not apply... Well that was directed at you. But you keep on with your happy posts about people who continue to ask this question and 2 pages will become 4 and your name will be the author of most of the posts.

ThirdStrike said:

thank you

squirrelgrease said:

omg!! that is too funny and of course who would say anything. I would have never even thought to just walk out with my shyt. Dang! Prince is one bold MF

Good stuff.

I am still wondering how the 2004 "Musicology Premere" Concert was hijacked with the security they had at my venue.

muleFunk said:

Me too....

muleFunk said:

Well, it was streamed to hundreds of theaters across the US, so there were opportunities galore.

True but that had to be an insider job i.e. someone who worked at a Carmike Theater did the hijacking.

prodigalfan said:

Yes, except that we are talking hundreds of recordings here.

Tremolina said:

how does that make it different? Over the course of 30+ years when he probably records two song ideas a week?

u make a ton of music the record comp only wants what they think will sell n the rest the artist does what he or she wants. He puts it out there himself - (i mean how can there be so much out there and he not know,seriously, He ceased n dissd everything cept this .. cmon) the ppl who have it call it boots, the fans do what they do to get it and it keep the serious fires burning. Drama. which hoop do i jump thru ?
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fingertips said:

This is the part that's wrong! But everything else is good. Prince wants to hold onto all his songs so he can profit off of them when he chooses to release them.

When did he write "Never Take the Place of your Man"?

And when did he release it as a single and start performing it?

So far,he does not want his songs out there unless he can make something concrete off of his efforts with an official from-the-various-incarnations-of-Prince release.

I really don't care how this stuff gets out there,I'm just glad that we have access to it

The Prince bootleg phenomenon reached it's negative point with the Gold Experence which,imo, limited sales of the official release.

muleFunk said:

Most of us were listening to those songs in 1994.By the time it was officially released in September 1995,those songs were old news.

ufoclub said:

There were already hundreds out in the early nineties.
I am not saying Prince is behind the bootlegging, but if he never leaked anything intentionally he sure was one sloppy motherfucker. Knowing Prince for his need to control and his wish (in the 80's and early 90's at least) to release as much as possible, I wouldn't be suprised if he also sometimes leaked stuff to people expecting it would probably be bootlegged.

prodigalfan said:

Sigh... How about READING what is posted? Lemme help you:

squirrelgrease said:

Does that sound like he has BOUGHT those boots?

Sheesh, even when it is handed on a silver plate, you still don't get it and instead make up stuff.

prodigalfan said:

YOU still don't get it. TWO pages in and yet there are very few actual replies. Do you GET IT?

muleFunk said:

Yeah nobody every hijacked a sat signal. Sheesh... Until not that long ago US broadcasters would send out their content UNENCRYPTED over sat to their local stations, which is why you could find episodes of popular series on the internet before they even aired. Also, plenty of encryption techniques have been cracked.

Tremolina said:

Look, Prince simply isn't that bright. When he sold a DAT tape to European radio stations in 1994 with outtakes and a concert, I bet it simply never entered his brain that a copy of that DAT would end up in bootleggers' hands. And that is one of the very few cases where he handed out unreleased recordings for public consumption.

A couple of years ago he sent a CD with an unreleased song to a MN radio station. Guess what? The version recorded from radio immediately started circulating, but there are fans who own a perfect copy of the CD sent to the radio station. And once upon a day that pristine copy will get bootlegged.

Don't forget that many "public" bootlegs are actually watered down copies of far better versions that are circulating in a small circle. There are people out there who have pristine copies of the longer versions of "Computer Blue" (and have proven so by releasing a crystal clear copy of the "hallway speech"), but the whole track isn't circulating in that quality.

Is Prince the source? Technically: yes. It's his carelessness that allowed many tapes to get out. When he's handing tapes or CDs to "potential girlfriends", it's almost inevitable that those get out. Band members sell stuff to feed a drug habit. Some people from Prince's entourage want to impress fans.

Don't forget that many of these things were underground until bootlegging became a major deal in the late 1980s/early 1990s, so for a long time a small group of people could get their hands on outtakes and soundboard tapes without that much hassle, simply because the chance of this getting back to Prince was very small.

There are numerous stories out there, plenty of boots are well documented. and NONE of them -- NONE -- point to Prince deliberately handing things out so they can be bootlegged. All of you who claim that Prince "must" be involved, need to STFU and stop repeating that nonsense. It's simply not true.

BTW 99% of what I say here are things you could have thought up yourself. It ain't that hard. You just have to apply logic. But I guess blurting out "well it must be Prince" is just easier.

ufoclub said:

from a.m.p:



From the same thread on a.m.p:



From a different thread:

BartVanHemelen said:

Ah, Wendy's car.

BartVanHemelen said:

Damn!

Bart is back.

No doubt to that Bart.

I am just amazed that Carmike had the type of security efforts to "prevent" someone from bootlegging the material just to have a simple thing like stealing the signal from the satellite.

Another story.

I had a girlfriend in the late 80's whose father was a WB bigwig in Nashville.

She had a perfect copy of Crystal Ball that had the catalog # on it.I wished a many day that I would have dubbed it.

muleFunk said:

DAMN

find her.

BartVanHemelen said:

Very interesting. Thanks for posting that.

ufoclub said:

wait... why would it have a catalog number? I didn't think it made it that far into the embrace of Warners... or did it? Facebook is for finding people...

It had the same writing at the bottom of the cassette that Parade,SOTT,etc had.
But the weird thing was that it had the WB logo on it. Double cassette.

BartVanHemelen said:

"Look, Prince simply isn't that bright"

Look, in the late 80's / early 90's I got my hands on loads of bootlegs already and i am no insider. It wasn't a small inner circle of trading some tapes, it was massive back then already.

Like I said, I don't think he is behind all the bootlegging and I am applying logic. Just not your logic that Prince is such an idiot that he didn't realise his shit would get bootlegged if he would lend a tape here and there. Of course he knew that would/could happen! He may not be that bright, but he is not some moron who after dozens of bootlegged recordings still doesn't get it.

So, some tapes were bootlegged because they were stolen, some because bandmembers were sloppy and some because Prince was sloppy. Sloppiness is no reason to claim Prince approves the bootlegging, but neither is it a reason to claim he never knowingly took the risk his stuff would get bootlegged.