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PrintableFunkiestOne said: JimRockford said: What is hilarious is that he really takes himself THAT seriously.
In 100 years, he will only be a name in a music history book. He will not be popular, as he is, now. How do I know? How many musicians from the distant past are still popular, today? Beethoven, Mozart, a small handful. How many people know who Greta Garbo, Rudolph Valentino, or Glenn Miller are? Yeah, they are still known, but far from being popular in mainstream society... . Apparently you know who they are...why does it matter if they are popular in "mainstream soceity?" So what if in 200 years, there are only a handful of people who are listening to Prince's music...if they are still enjoying it, that's what counts. 5 people or 5 million, it's the same thing....or what "magic number" do you have where someone is "popular enough". You totally missed my point... He acts like his stupid vault is a treasure trove of greats. It's not. It's just some songs. | |
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Think about Tupac and all of the horrid remix albums that have dropped since his death. I am shocked that Michael Jackson hasn't had a dozen releases yet. I hope that Prince has paper work in place to prevent his legacy from being tainted by the newest producers destroying his music
Whatever Princes reasons for not releasing things and wanting to abandon his past is beyond all of us. I hope that the 'vault' stays locked | |
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Giovanni777 said: Isabell said: IF a vault exists, I would be keen on thinking that when Prince feels his time has come, he will delete everything. It's all immaterial and can be discarded.
It's a show of power to destroy one's worldly belongings. Didn't he do this with his houses? . . [Edited 1/20/10 5:03am] I'd have 2 agree on this. It could have the same fate as Stevie Wonder's unreleased material. Stevie's plan is 2 discard/delete/destroy it all... unless he's changed his mind recently. I thought he said in some interview that he will have it all destroyed upon his departure from this world....or perhaps I dreamt that up? :weird: "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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JimRockford said: He acts like his stupid vault is a treasure trove of greats.
It's not. It's just some songs. It's the fans who have elevated the vault to a treasure trove, not Prince. Prince withholds the vault material for his own reasons, most of which I suspect are based in his refusal to deal with his past, and his religious cult stance. | |
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I'm sure P has his will setup and has certain people in place to keep his legacy going. He seems to be a smart enough guy to learn from the deaths of other legends as to how he wants his music to be handled. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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ernestsewell said:[quote] ecstasy said: Any song with the following words will be edited with a reverse or a mute-dub:
Fuck Shit Damn Hell Pussy Motherfucker Goddamn Fucker Fucking You forgot "cunt." | |
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ernestsewell said: JimRockford said: He acts like his stupid vault is a treasure trove of greats.
It's not. It's just some songs. It's the fans who have elevated the vault to a treasure trove, not Prince. Prince withholds the vault material for his own reasons, most of which I suspect are based in his refusal to deal with his past, and his religious cult stance. Hmmm, I guess you have a point, there. What is so terrible about his past? Vulgarity? Does that really matter at his age? People cannot escape who they were, no matter how hard they try. | |
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JimRockford said: Hmmm, I guess you have a point, there.
What is so terrible about his past? Vulgarity? Does that really matter at his age? People cannot escape who they were, no matter how hard they try. It matters to Prince because he's obviously edited himself in current records by not using any sort of curse word, AND he's edited past records. I don't know if you were around in the NPGMC 2001 days (year 1), but when he was released long segments of the 1986 Hit N Run tour, he edited things like "P-U-S-S-Y" in "New Position", etc. He even put a disclaimer at the beginning of "Horny Pony", saying it wasn't meant to be a song about pre-marital sex. So does it matter to him? Fuck yeah, unfortunately it does. I thought about the hypocrisy of this because he'll sing "Dance Music Sex Romance" on the BET Awards or whatever, but he'll change "I Feel For You" lyrics to "it's mainly a spiritual thing", or change "Sexuality" to "Spirituality" in his Las Vegas shows. | |
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ernestsewell said: JimRockford said: Hmmm, I guess you have a point, there.
What is so terrible about his past? Vulgarity? Does that really matter at his age? People cannot escape who they were, no matter how hard they try. It matters to Prince because he's obviously edited himself in current records by not using any sort of curse word, AND he's edited past records. I don't know if you were around in the NPGMC 2001 days (year 1), but when he was released long segments of the 1986 Hit N Run tour, he edited things like "P-U-S-S-Y" in "New Position", etc. He even put a disclaimer at the beginning of "Horny Pony", saying it wasn't meant to be a song about pre-marital sex. So does it matter to him? Fuck yeah, unfortunately it does. I thought about the hypocrisy of this because he'll sing "Dance Music Sex Romance" on the BET Awards or whatever, but he'll change "I Feel For You" lyrics to "it's mainly a spiritual thing", or change "Sexuality" to "Spirituality" in his Las Vegas shows. Yes, I heard the edited DMSR "Work yo body like you want some more." It is utterly retarded that a grown damn man would work so hard to go against his younger (and cooler) self. I did wild & crazy shit in my youth, but I don't try to hide it or act like it didn't happen. Like I said before, he takes himself way too seriously. | |
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JimRockford said: It is utterly retarded that a grown damn man would work so hard to go against his younger (and cooler) self.
I did wild & crazy shit in my youth, but I don't try to hide it or act like it didn't happen. Like I said before, he takes himself way too seriously. He's hypocritical in this sentiment as well. When he talked to Oprah just over a decade ago, he said he didn't regret anything he did in the past, because it was all part of his experience. It's a chain event. One thing led to another to another to another. It got him to where he is right now. He said (jokingly or not) that he just wants to hug WB executives because despite the mess he went through, it got him to that point of being free, and he can appreciate his freedom more because of this alleged slavery. Yet these days, he DOES try so hard to dismiss his past and ignore the obviousness of it. He's back tracking on his own words, and his own past (by editing past material). He either doesn't remember what he says, or he's just unstable and blathers on and lives in the moment instead. He pays homage to his musical heroes of the past, and disses most artists today, yet he can't even accept his own fans wanting the present AND the past when it comes to himself. He'll talk about how he doesn't live in the past, yet most of his recent tours have been old songs (like REALLY old songs), and still says "This is the last time....." I mean, it's fun to hear him sing "I Feel For You" while playing background player for Chaka Khan, but then he changes the words and makes her sing his JW bullshit. It's a total bastardization of his own past. What wasted energy in going against his cooler self. | |
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ernestsewell said: JimRockford said: It is utterly retarded that a grown damn man would work so hard to go against his younger (and cooler) self.
I did wild & crazy shit in my youth, but I don't try to hide it or act like it didn't happen. Like I said before, he takes himself way too seriously. He's hypocritical in this sentiment as well. When he talked to Oprah just over a decade ago, he said he didn't regret anything he did in the past, because it was all part of his experience. It's a chain event. One thing led to another to another to another. It got him to where he is right now. He said (jokingly or not) that he just wants to hug WB executives because despite the mess he went through, it got him to that point of being free, and he can appreciate his freedom more because of this alleged slavery. Yet these days, he DOES try so hard to dismiss his past and ignore the obviousness of it. He's back tracking on his own words, and his own past (by editing past material). He either doesn't remember what he says, or he's just unstable and blathers on and lives in the moment instead. He pays homage to his musical heroes of the past, and disses most artists today, yet he can't even accept his own fans wanting the present AND the past when it comes to himself. He'll talk about how he doesn't live in the past, yet most of his recent tours have been old songs (like REALLY old songs), and still says "This is the last time....." I mean, it's fun to hear him sing "I Feel For You" while playing background player for Chaka Khan, but then he changes the words and makes her sing his JW bullshit. It's a total bastardization of his own past. What wasted energy in going against his cooler self. I think you have put the tin hat on what I've been feeling about him for the past decade or so. I mean, I still like the music, but the man, himself, is just a damn nut. That makes it hard to listen to his music, for the most part. I still do, every so often. I'll have a Prince phase, where in the 80's I was a die-hard fan. I've been pondering doing one of those fan-commentaries on one of his movies, like in that other thread about UTCM. I have a couple of friends, back home that are still hardcore fans. What an interesting commentary that would make. | |
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JimRockford said: I've been pondering doing one of those fan-commentaries on one of his movies, like in that other thread about UTCM.
You should do one for Graffiti Bridge. Seriously, why not? SOTT would be easy in that it's all awesome, and not really a "movie" per se. I'm hopefully getting this Purple Rain one together VERY soon. I have four people from the Org, plus myself, that are committed to doing it. I just need to test my phone recording device from Radio Shack to be sure it still works, and I can get my setup in order with no problems. I'll host the podcast on my BeanPod.com account. | |
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I wondered the same ? today...
He might blow up the vault when his time is ended here on earth.... (next to his death bed would be a red 'DON"T PUSH' button! And just when he's going... he would push that button! and BOOOM  | |
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Whatever he has released has been torn up and pissed onto here so why would he release anything else  | |
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ernestsewell said: JimRockford said: I've been pondering doing one of those fan-commentaries on one of his movies, like in that other thread about UTCM.
You should do one for Graffiti Bridge. Seriously, why not? SOTT would be easy in that it's all awesome, and not really a "movie" per se. I'm hopefully getting this Purple Rain one together VERY soon. I have four people from the Org, plus myself, that are committed to doing it. I just need to test my phone recording device from Radio Shack to be sure it still works, and I can get my setup in order with no problems. I'll host the podcast on my BeanPod.com account. I'll have to download the UTCM & yours, when you do it. Graffiti Bridge would be funny, as I hate it the most of his movies. I'll ask them, next time I am down that way. | |
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pplrain said: Whatever he has released has been torn up and pissed onto here so why would he release anything else
Right, because he bases his life choices on what folks say on here... | |
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JimRockford said: I'll ask them, next time I am down that way.
You can get a little $15 connector for a phone and record it. It's a go-between for your phone and a recording device. I used it when I talked to Matt Fink. Plug it into your phone, and plug your headset into the device. You're set. Most people have 3-way calling. Call two friends, and have each of them call a person. That gets 5 people on the line, and you record the call. Works pretty well. | |
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Everytime I see Larry Graham & wife in the skybox at the Vikings game with Prince I Know we will probably never hear anything from the "vault". If Larry outlives Prince you can bet Larry will be in charge of the vault just like he has been in charge of Prince for years. Sounds like a crazy statement right ? I need to move to Minneapolis and end Larry's reign of terror over Prince. | |
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dreaminaboutu said: Everytime I see Larry Graham & wife in the skybox at the Vikings game with Prince I Know we will probably never hear anything from the "vault". If Larry outlives Prince you can bet Larry will be in charge of the vault just like he has been in charge of Prince for years. Sounds like a crazy statement right ? I need to move to Minneapolis and end Larry's reign of terror over Prince.
Ha ha.. Maximillian Robespi-Graham? (Note: for those that have no idea what I mean, Maximillian Robespierre was the man who ran the reign of terror in Revolutionary France after King Louis & Marie Antoinette lost their heads...) | |
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ernestsewell said: JimRockford said: I'll ask them, next time I am down that way.
You can get a little $15 connector for a phone and record it. It's a go-between for your phone and a recording device. I used it when I talked to Matt Fink. Plug it into your phone, and plug your headset into the device. You're set. Most people have 3-way calling. Call two friends, and have each of them call a person. That gets 5 people on the line, and you record the call. Works pretty well. Actually, I was thinking of us doing it together with my voice recorder. The only problem I foresee is us talking about personal shit from the period that no-one else would know about. | |
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First of all, there's no doubt there is a vault and that it's filled with material. The former Prince engineer confirmed it here a couple months ago.
Second, I am positive Prince has a plan in place for the vault after he's gone. What it is I have no idea, but I'm positive he's planned for it. My hope is that he doesn't wait until he's gone to release that stuff, but rather decides to start releasing it tomorrow. | |
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Reasons Prince should destroy the vault content.
1. He gone! So, what difference does it make? 2. Why wait til death to release material when Prince could release them now? It's another reason i feel most of the vault will not be heard. 3. He no longer has control of his music or legacy. [Edited 1/21/10 7:00am] | |
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NONSENSE said: Reasons Prince should destroy the vault content.
1. He gone! So, what difference does it make? 2. Why wait til death to release material when Prince could release them now? It's another reason i feel most of the vault will not be heard. 3. He no longer has control of his music or legacy. [Edited 1/21/10 7:00am] 3 strikes.... U're out. | |
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ernestsewell said: It matters to Prince because he's obviously edited himself in current records by not using any sort of curse word, AND he's edited past records. I don't know if you were around in the NPGMC 2001 days (year 1), but when he was released long segments of the 1986 Hit N Run tour, he edited things like "P-U-S-S-Y" in "New Position", etc. He even put a disclaimer at the beginning of "Horny Pony", saying it wasn't meant to be a song about pre-marital sex. So does it matter to him? Fuck yeah, unfortunately it does. I thought about the hypocrisy of this because he'll sing "Dance Music Sex Romance" on the BET Awards or whatever, but he'll change "I Feel For You" lyrics to "it's mainly a spiritual thing", or change "Sexuality" to "Spirituality" in his Las Vegas shows. I think there's a big difference between these two situations. Actually editing his old stuff to conform with his new beliefs sucks, but changing the lyrics to old songs in new performances is totally different. For instance I can sympathise with him not wanting to sing 'Sexuality' now because it'd be dishonest to sing something he no longer feels, but equally it'd be a pointless lie for him to go back to the Controversy master tape and revise it on behalf of his younger self. Sort of like MJ having his nose airbrushed on the re-issued Off The Wall cover. | |
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JimRockford said: ernestsewell said: It's the fans who have elevated the vault to a treasure trove, not Prince. Prince withholds the vault material for his own reasons, most of which I suspect are based in his refusal to deal with his past, and his religious cult stance. Hmmm, I guess you have a point, there. What is so terrible about his past? Vulgarity? Does that really matter at his age? People cannot escape who they were, no matter how hard they try. I wrote a little poem that says just this. A Shadow can't hide his face from the sun Like a Soul can't hide from what it's become.~T  "The Lion Sleeps Tonight... | |
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I think there's a big difference between these two situations. Actually editing his old stuff to conform with his new beliefs sucks, but changing the lyrics to old songs in new performances is totally different. For instance I can sympathise with him not wanting to sing 'Sexuality' now because it'd be dishonest to sing something he no longer feels, but equally it'd be a pointless lie for him to go back to the Controversy master tape and revise it on behalf of his younger self. Sort of like MJ having his nose airbrushed on the re-issued Off The Wall cover.[/quote] Or changing the cover of Off the Wall to be a shot of his glowing socks, rather than his face. "New Power slide...." |
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RodeoSchro said: First of all, there's no doubt there is a vault and that it's filled with material. The former Prince engineer confirmed it here a couple months ago.
Really? Because Prince's assistant confirmed just the opposite to Kevin Smith. So did Prince erase and destroy all the music that he's recorded and not released? Is it is some magical place that only a golden ring can reveal? | |
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There's no way Prince is just gonna leave that stuff in the vault for people to fuck about with after he dies.
We dont know what he will do but i'd bet any money that he does have a plan and its all set out in legal forms etc. My guess is he has one last album he will release after his death, one he has already written ages ago and he keeps going back to from time to time to tweak it and add to. Hopefully a fukin good box set. The rest of the vault will just get wiped. Prince always likes to be in control so I cant see him not doing so in some way after his death. 3121 | |
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Last i heard, the songs in the vault were around 2,000. IF this true.. just imagine...Prince passes away today...
The average album consists of 10 songs. If there were to be one Prince album released from the vault per year...the world would get a new Prince album every year from now till the year 2210. No artist in the history of music has had or ever will have the ability to do that. If thats the plan, or something close to the plan..then the man is even MORE genius than we thought! | |
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The only songs I would be even marginally interested in would be Revolution-era tracks...
He can vaporize the rest, for all I care. | |
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