Mars23 said:

i have been addressing as many counter-points as possible. to y'all out there, if i have evaded your question please let me know and i will gladly take a step back.

to the person who said prince does not communicate with us, how can we bully him...well, sometimes i think that in the context of an internet forum, people take out their bad days on him using the issues mentioned above to almost defame his character.

this is not exactly fair seeing that the man is not here to defend himself, and ironically, some of us are here to celebrate his music; no one is suggesting we should praise everything prince does though

[b]this is not exactly fair seeing that [b]the man is not here to defend himself[/b],

NelsonR said:

It certainly isn't fair, and if he actually responded or defended himself for some of the attacks on here or did a cease and desist, the same fans criticizing or bashing him, would get angry at him for doing that too.
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NelsonR said:

It certainly isn't fair, and if he actually responded or defended himself for some of the attacks on here or did a cease and desist, the same fans criticizing or bashing him, would get angry at him for doing that too.
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- he has the wrong faith
- his music lacks melodies
- his expression of black consciousness is out of sync with the digital garden
- he releases to0 little, or too much music
- he is not public enough about his personal relationships
- he does not take his website or customers seriously enough

2elijah said:

I'd be mad about a cease and desist letter, sure. But a simple response to, say, the multitude of complaints about how he ripped off his fans through LF would not be out of order. But with so many fans just giving him a pass and saying, "He's rich! He can do whatever he wants! And I love him no matter what!" then there's no reason for him to do anything but act like a bully and an ass to all his fans. There is no shortage of fams who will help him live in his deluded reality.

Bullies need to be bullied back on occasion.

Mars23 said:

It was about time you admitted publicly what the REAL purpose of this site is...

Thank you.

Mars23 said:

It was about time you admitted publicly what the REAL purpose of this site is...

Thank you.

2elijah said:

I'd be mad about a cease and desist letter, sure. But a simple response to, say, the multitude of complaints about how he ripped off his fans through LF would not be out of order. But with so many fans just giving him a pass and saying, "He's rich! He can do whatever he wants! And I love him no matter what!" then there's no reason for him to do anything but act like a bully and an ass to all his fans. There is no shortage of fams who will help him live in his deluded reality.

Efan said:

Me saying Prince is rich has nothing to do with being fammy It's a fact and if you think he really cares about what folks think he should do you are wrong.

Efan said:

Oh, so what you're saying is that it is okay for fans to defame an artist's character publically, on a site created specifically for said artist, whenever he does something they don't like. Now I can understand fans being angry about the LF site, as it was/is fans' hard-earned money that they paid to get what they expected, was said to be offered at the time of sign-up. I could see criticizing how that was handled or some other business practice regarding fans' money that he dealt with, I won't debate against that, but to get personal and defame his character by calliing him a m*fkr, a d*ck, control freak, and all kinds of other nasty names publically, is defaming someone's character. What if Prince made the same kind of comments fans on this site? ? Can you imagine the outcry from fans? This site would crash from the responses.

Not to mention threads inquiring about his personal life, choice of religion, members of his family, his known associates, his relationships with specific women and criticism of them, and the list goes on. There really should be some kind of better moderation as to what is allowed on this particular forum to discuss about him. It's one thing to discuss his music and collaborations with other artists, the history of his music, movies he's made, past concerts, and other related topics, but the multitude of threads publically defaming him as an individual, as though some of these fans actually know him personally, when they don't, is a bit ridiculous at times. You don't have to agree, but you can't deny some horrible statements have been made about Prince on this site over the years, from many of his so-called fans, who go to his concerts, smile in his face, and then come back and talk sh*t about him, just about on any unofficial site, created specifically for fans to discuss the artist, and will allow such content. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the site, just think this forum could be so much better and more inviting without some of that kind of nonsense. Anyway, that's just my two cents.
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I think that people here give way too much of a fuck what Prince does everyday and who he supposedly does it too.

Just enjoy the music, and shut the fuck up.

If you don't enjoy the music, don't go bullying people like I see around here all the time.


God Forbid, if you actually like Prince's new material.

Too many people around here see their opinion as fact.

They think they know every fucking thing. When in reality they're just a nobody talking shit a mile a minute. As George Clinton would say.

uhh...yeeahhh...about that defamation thing? It's not defamation if it's true. Prince in not very smart, that's part of the problem. He's easily influenced and acts like a child. That's simply unattractive in a grown up man. He's really not a soft target, but an EASY target.

2elijah said:

uhh...yeeahhh...about that defamation thing? It's not defamation if it's true. Prince in not very smart, that's part of the problem. He's easily influenced and acts like a child. That's simply unattractive in a grown up man. He's really not a soft target, but an EASY target.

meow85 said:

if you think about how many people were exposed to Prince during the Musicology tour, as well as the O2 shows, surely you would have to agree that Prince was exposed to many new fans. and of that total sum of people between those two tours, surely the majority are not old school fans; prince has definitely attracted new listeners, and hardcore fans are usually referred to as the "few" faithful

porfyrivrohi said:

It has been stated openly since the beginning that this site is for the fans, not anyone else.

Your inability to comprehend that is on you, not this site.

TheVoid said:

if you think about it, though...

should Prince's faith, approach to 'racial' identity, history, politics, his personal relationships - determine how consumers approach him. surely, the relationship between Prince and fans should revolve around his art, music, dancing and a diverse environment of people when he is seen live.

but if his music is approached from a political level, then it will also be natural that the issues mentioned in the first post will create antagonism between him and those who take different social/spiritual positions as he does

Prince is a human being, not a saint, so please take down your altars to the man.

meow85 said:

In comparison to some of the other "human beings" I'm seeing in here, he sure LOOKS like a saint to me...

Mars23 said:

Maybe it was for the fans ONCE... I don't really know...

The thing is that NOW it's for the LOSERS.

And I dare all losers around who think they're smarter/better than Prince come forth and tell us what THEY have achieved in life!

If it's even close to 1/10th of what HE has achieved I'll go hang myself in Syntagma Square...

2elijah said:

I'd be mad about a cease and desist letter, sure. But a simple response to, say, the multitude of complaints about how he ripped off his fans through LF would not be out of order. But with so many fans just giving him a pass and saying, "He's rich! He can do whatever he wants! And I love him no matter what!" then there's no reason for him to do anything but act like a bully and an ass to all his fans. There is no shortage of fams who will help him live in his deluded reality.

Efan said:

i find myself asking myself...why do people listen to Prince if he is delusional, full of malice, a thief


perhaps there are aspects of ourselves which we see in Prince that makes us identify with him, like the alleged deliberate disappointments he throws at us

back to the marriage metaphor, if we really are fans according to the denotations of the word, we should celebrate his music and innovations

we should also ask ourselves what our real intentions are when discussing our perceptions of weaknesses in him...coz imagine the public sitting back and doing the same to us

no wonder prince is so private

Efan said:

i find myself asking myself...why do people listen to Prince if he is delusional, full of malice, a thief


perhaps there are aspects of ourselves which we see in Prince that makes us identify with him, like the alleged deliberate disappointments he throws at us

back to the marriage metaphor, if we really are fans according to the denotations of the word, we should celebrate his music and innovations

we should also ask ourselves what our real intentions are when discussing our perceptions of weaknesses in him...coz imagine the public sitting back and doing the same to us

no wonder prince is so private

NelsonR said:

Ah.. I see you are new to this place, get used to it. They examine each and every bit he does very minutely. If you think living in a fish bowl is bad, Prince actually lives under a microscope here. He is not allowed the privileges us humans have and are accustomed to. He is supposedly cut out of a very different fabric, almost celestial.

they examine each and every bit he does very minutely.

Forgive my musings for a moment, but let me reflect on the way we as fans, and those who are not but comment on Prince's art, treat the man himself.

Perhaps more than any other artist, here I stand to be corrected, Prince is critisised for almost everything he does by his own "fan" base. Some of these critiques include the following:

- he has the wrong faith
- his music lacks melodies
- his expression of black consciousness is out of sync with the digital garden
- he releases to0 little, or too much music
- he is not public enough about his personal relationships
- he does not take his website or customers seriously enough

The list is endless, but sometimes it is as if all of the above lend to feelings of great superiority of certain Prince fans over the man they are supposed to be a fan of.

Could it be, though, that the anonymity of the Internet has given these individuals a sense of boldness, so that what they perceive as weaknesses or negativity on the part of Prince, is so much more important than his many achievements or strengths...ex: lets rather discuss songs we dislike, or things about Prince that we do not like, than what attracted us to the man in the first place

Sometimes it appears as if individuals are trying to bully Prince...>>> rather be a Jew than a JW; rather sing like this than like that, rather play your guitar like this, than like that, rather date women who look like this, than...y'all know

What tickles me slightly...is that I see Prince as a person who feels his music deeply; I can picture him listening to a cd/song a million times before it is officially released. Even if we don't get into certain tunes as much as others, each of them are like children to him...he's doing his best and being himself...

is it worth trying to bully Prince

*thanks for reading if you got this far