cborgman said:

interesting use of words and expression.

to be honest, i think he f'd up w/ his websites; we agree there, but i don't think that the website issue should be linked to all the other aspects of the man.

i also happen to be one of those who has really enjoyed the last few releases, with Musicology being the exception

*off topic, but i dig 'a million days' and the title track

cborgman said:

i think that's him being human though...reacting to negativity which he perceives to be coming from "fans"

NelsonR said:

add to the LF experience the crystal ball experience, the youtube experience, the numerous cease and desist letters, the dancing baby shenannigan, the npgmc fiasco...

the list goes on and on.

NelsonR said:

so, it's an example of the chicken or the egg proverb.

either way, if it's bullying, it's from both sides.

cborgman said:

Which came first? The chicken or Crystal Ball?

The chicken 'cause Crystal Ball NEVER came!

NelsonR said:

add to the LF experience the crystal ball experience, the youtube experience, the numerous cease and desist letters, the dancing baby shenannigan, the npgmc fiasco...

the list goes on and on.

cborgman said:

For a guy who's been the recipient of Webby awards, Prince sure seems wholly tech UNsavvy. Don't get me wrong, I do think Our Hero is a first class dick, but I also think he just might not actually understand what an amazing tool the internet can be for him. He should be using this fantastic technology to his and his fanbase's advantage.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Our Hero is a first class dick

He should be using this fantastic technology to his and his fanbase's advantage.[/

cborgman said:

the reality is that in certain instances, or most, Prince has not handled the web well; in other cases, he has used it well for marketing purposes; is it not about the controversy? look at how news spread when he released 3121 via the newspaper in the UK; it spread like fire...what about his "giving" a cd away w/ the Musicology tickets;

he has his strengths and weaknesses, but a part of me wishs he would take the web more seriously to appease hardcore fans who spend lots of time accessing music, etc online

NelsonR said:

Never mind the hardcore fans, the web is right now the best way to pick up NEW fans.

I can't even count the number of times I've tried to get someone into Prince but found I had no videos to show them, no website for them to access, nowhere for them to download his work....

There's a whole young generation of music fans tired of the crap on the radio who might otherwise seriously get into Prince's music that aren't because he's actively blocking the best means they have to do so.

coming from a true fan



i think he's satisfied w/ where he's at now...selling out all those shows at the O2 or the Musicology tour are great examples of what he can with his own ideas

meow85 said:

try this site:

http://new.music.yahoo.co...ce/videos/

cborgman said:

For a guy who's been the recipient of Webby awards, Prince sure seems wholly tech UNsavvy. Don't get me wrong, I do think Our Hero is a first class dick, but I also think he just might not actually understand what an amazing tool the internet can be for him. He should be using this fantastic technology to his and his fanbase's advantage.

NelsonR said:

That's a bad business model. An act can only rely on the original set of fans for so long if they want their music to have true longevity, and that's even more true now that Li'l Man has been in the game for more than 30 years. He needs to be angling toward young people more now. I don't mean the dumbfucks who think Lil Wayne and Beyonce are some kinds of musical geniuses, I mean those of us -and there are a lot of us -who actually care about and want to hear quality music. The internet is the best way to do that.

And yeah, I am a fan. A big one. I own nearly all of Her Highness' catalogue. But I am a fan of his music. From what I've heard from other fans, band members, exes, aquaintances, and other folks in the music industry, I am not a fan of the man. I'd like to be. I'd love to be able to say this guy whose career I follow and whose music I love is a nice guy. But unless everyone has been spreading malicious lies in some kind of bizarre conspiracy to tarnish his reputation, I can't.

I'm not 100% sure your definition of bully is the same as mine.

Most of those items you listed would apply to prince being a soft target for unsatisfied, mislead, or mistreated consumers.


I would venture to say that most of the 'bullies' who, for example, got a membership at lotusfailure.com, did so due to the fact Prince himself has generate a buzz about "having recorded every performance he's ever done live" or the hoopla surrounding how awesome the site was (remember the 3 orgers he paraded through his 3121 residence for the lotusfailure extravaganza? ).


Yeah, I'm not getting your definition of bully. So far, Prince fits my definition far more than his fans fit it.

Prince! Nice to see you on the org.

TheVoid said:

if you think about it, though...

should Prince's faith, approach to 'racial' identity, history, politics, his personal relationships - determine how consumers approach him. surely, the relationship between Prince and fans should revolve around his art, music, dancing and a diverse environment of people when he is seen live.

but if his music is approached from a political level, then it will also be natural that the issues mentioned in the first post will create antagonism between him and those who take different social/spiritual positions as he does

Forgive my musings for a moment, but let me reflect on the way we as fans, and those who are not but comment on Prince's art, treat the man himself.

Perhaps more than any other artist, here I stand to be corrected, Prince is critisised for almost everything he does by his own "fan" base. Some of these critiques include the following:

- he has the wrong faith
- his music lacks melodies
- his expression of black consciousness is out of sync with the digital garden
- he releases to0 little, or too much music
- he is not public enough about his personal relationships
- he does not take his website or customers seriously enough

The list is endless, but sometimes it is as if all of the above lend to feelings of great superiority of certain Prince fans over the man they are supposed to be a fan of.

Could it be, though, that the anonymity of the Internet has given these individuals a sense of boldness, so that what they perceive as weaknesses or negativity on the part of Prince, is so much more important than his many achievements or strengths...ex: lets rather discuss songs we dislike, or things about Prince that we do not like, than what attracted us to the man in the first place

Sometimes it appears as if individuals are trying to bully Prince...>>> rather be a Jew than a JW; rather sing like this than like that, rather play your guitar like this, than like that, rather date women who look like this, than...y'all know

What tickles me slightly...is that I see Prince as a person who feels his music deeply; I can picture him listening to a cd/song a million times before it is officially released. Even if we don't get into certain tunes as much as others, each of them are like children to him...he's doing his best and being himself...

is it worth trying to bully Prince

*thanks for reading if you got this far

Forgive my musings for a moment, but let me reflect on the way we as fans, and those who are not but comment on Prince's art, treat the man himself.

Perhaps more than any other artist, here I stand to be corrected, Prince is critisised for almost everything he does by his own "fan" base. Some of these critiques include the following:

- he has the wrong faith
- his music lacks melodies
- his expression of black consciousness is out of sync with the digital garden
- he releases to0 little, or too much music
- he is not public enough about his personal relationships
- he does not take his website or customers seriously enough

The list is endless, but sometimes it is as if all of the above lend to feelings of great superiority of certain Prince fans over the man they are supposed to be a fan of.

Could it be, though, that the anonymity of the Internet has given these individuals a sense of boldness, so that what they perceive as weaknesses or negativity on the part of Prince, is so much more important than his many achievements or strengths...ex: lets rather discuss songs we dislike, or things about Prince that we do not like, than what attracted us to the man in the first place

Sometimes it appears as if individuals are trying to bully Prince...>>> rather be a Jew than a JW; rather sing like this than like that, rather play your guitar like this, than like that, rather date women who look like this, than...y'all know

What tickles me slightly...is that I see Prince as a person who feels his music deeply; I can picture him listening to a cd/song a million times before it is officially released. Even if we don't get into certain tunes as much as others, each of them are like children to him...he's doing his best and being himself...

is it worth trying to bully Prince

*thanks for reading if you got this far

man, i miss the days when npgmc still existed

- he has the wrong faith .....who cares? For 10 years I had neighbors who were JW, they were very nice. We just agreed their friends at Kingdom Hall would not come knocking on our door.

- his music lacks melodies.....I don't like everything he's put out, but then who unconditionally appreciates everything one artist produces?

- his expression of black consciousness is out of sync with the digital garden... what?

- he releases too little, or too much music..... maybe too much all at once?

- he is not public enough about his personal relationships..... again, who cares?

- he does not take his website or customers seriously enough.... there is most probably an issue there he should address.

A true artist remains TRUE 2 himself.
Prince is more than a success in that arena.

NelsonR said:

what?


I'm talking about releasing crappy music, overcharging for website subscriptions, and bad customer relations.
I could give fuckall if Prince wants to be Ghandi.

I'm not 100% sure your definition of bully is the same as mine.

Most of those items you listed would apply to prince being a soft target for unsatisfied, mislead, or mistreated consumers.


I would venture to say that most of the 'bullies' who, for example, got a membership at lotusfailure.com, did so due to the fact Prince himself has generate a buzz about "having recorded every performance he's ever done live" or the hoopla surrounding how awesome the site was (remember the 3 orgers he paraded through his 3121 residence for the lotusfailure extravaganza? ).


Yeah, I'm not getting your definition of bully. So far, Prince fits my definition far more than his fans fit it.

mislead

This thread has now passed the acceptable level of famminess meaningful conversation can no longer be expected.

Your initial argument was muddy, but it was OK, but now you keep asking people to see your point while blindly dismissing all the counterpoints now resorting to the ultimate in famminess quoting Prince lyrics.

It was almost interesting while it lasted. Maybe I'll ask around Twitter to see if anyone thinks he's a bully.