wow.
i actually quite like this song.


so does that put me on the (groan) fam side of this argument?










weird. i'm leaving this thread cuz this don't feel right.

I feel like you have to be Ol' Skool Prince listener and have drudged your way through all the music..... AND I MEAN ALL OF IT... that he has made in order to like this song. It's just got that mediocre Prince style that some of us Orgers just can't seem to get enough of.

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skywalker said:

The hell it was. It was taking an old song such as George Clinton or Leon Haywood that was already slow to midtempo and not one of their best but still sounded OK in it's original form....then sampling it and slowing it down even more, then added some weak K Mart sounding drum machines and a synthesizer that sounds like something in a Mickey Mouse cartoon. Yeah, it sounds like George Clinton...altered George Clinton to fit into a shit hop world.

Are you really dismissing Prince songs that sound like P-Funk type of stuff because it reminds you of hip hop (which was recycling George anyways)?

Yes, I hate and despise anything that sounds like shit hop even in the slightest, especially something that sounds like a particular "artist" that changed the sound of R&B in the early 1990s to the absolute worst to the point that it would never change for the better. I would take a million stuffy songs like "Do U Lie" or "Venus De Milo" over anything that resembled shit hop in the slightest.

I just thought Shitney Houston did damage in the late 1980s but she sounded like Rick James compared to the bullshit that came later in the early 1990s and is still here today with no change in sight.

Listen,I know how you feel about hip hop, but I think your hatred of the genre is skewing your view on this one.

No, I don't think so. Prince has always been my favorite artist even when he disappointed me with his style change in 1985. He did open up and broaden my tastes back then even though I would have preferred he kept throwing down like he had earlier but his music was still good. But when it comes to shit hop, I don't tolerate it and I don't give no passes to real artists who sell out to it, even Prince. I didn't give Rick James or The Barkays (two more of my favorites) passes either. I'd be a hypocrit if I did.



I know it's considered classic now and that's the problem. That's also another reason why styles in R&B will not change. A whole new generation has been raised on the bullshit with no style changes in R&B whatsoever in their lifetime so they aren't going to want anything different even if someone different came on the scene with the potential to make a change. R&B these days in hopeless beyond being fixed. Shit hop dominated then, it still dominates now, and will probably dominate the 2010s also.
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I don't know what kind of drum machine it is. All I know is it sounds weak, cheap, and shit hoppish. It sure as hell don't sound like the drum machines on "1999" and it doesn't have the real drums backing it giving the song power either. It's just lifeless.

Prince knew what he was doing. He was intentionally trying to sound shit hoppish. Even the shit hop attitude and slang....and that rediculous "Ooooh this my song" shit at the front sounded like some silly Sha-Nay-Nay shit from "Martin". Just the whole aurra and vibe of the song sounded silly and fake like a queen in a prison yard trying to seduce rough trade by talking with the same rediculous mannerisms they talk in hopes of getting some thug dick.

Prince is so cool. I like the song and I loved when he performed it on Jay Leno. If you LISTEN Prince is kicking ol skool "Flava In Ya Ear" and I love old school classics and Hip Hop.

I've never heard that one but I know "Ole Skool Crappany" definately sounds like something that would fit in on today's R&B (Rhythmless Bullshit) radio. The only reason today's radio wouldn't play it is because the little thugs don't want to hear from the "fag" known as Prince.

Eh...whatever. Look down and get over it.

skywalker said:

Come on, you know the MPLS Sound is more than just using Linn samples. Prince actually did imaginative stuff with the Linn back then. Here they're just stock sounds sprinkled in for nostalgia.

KoolEaze said:

If it was that great of a song, Urban Radio would have picked it up. Remember, they picked up "Adore", and played "Pop Life" early on, as well. Urban radio tends to practice fractionally more laxness in what they play, and what songs they throw in. They were playing random stuff from 3121 and Planet Earth up here in Albany. I'm not so sure we'd be raving about "Old School..." if it were some random outtake. For some reason, it reminds me of something the early 90's, almost like a bad Graffiti Bridge outtake. It actually sounds like a very early demo to me. It needs to cook a bit.

I actually liked "No More Candy 4 U". That synth/pop/rockabilly thing is something he's good at. He did it with "Horny Toad", "Delirious", "Jack U Off". Those are fun songs. I just hate his back lashing against his fans - AGAIN. (How many times can he attack his fans and expect them to keep coming back?)

ernestsewell said:

There u go again relying on radio[urban radio]to dictate what sounds good 2 u.COME ON MAN.If yo feet dont move to that,u better wait 4 urban radio to tell u when 2 dance,cause u would'nt know funk if it was under your arm.

skywalker said:

No one said it was the Linn1 drum machine. Might have been, but Prince has used other drum machines besides that one. MANY artists used the Linn. The great thing about that machine was that the sounds in it were the most realistic drum sounds to that point. Prince used it to define his sound a bit more. He started using it on the Controversy album. But Linn doesn't = Minneapolis sound, solely. If Prince used an 808 exclusively, people would say "Oh, the 808 was THE Prince drum machine." Six of one, half dozen of the other.

These songs sound like random funk tracks with the Linn thrown in as an after thought in some desperate attempt to hearken back to the past that he practically ignores, and denies every happened to begin with.

joelmarable said:

There I go again? Who the fuck do you think you're dealing with? You obviously have NO idea who I am or what I like. I don't listen to radio at all these days, and haven't on any type of regular basis for quite a few years now. You think I am depending on radio to tell me what is funky? Bitch, please. I'm 41 years old, I don't depend on anyone to tell me anything like that.

Your stupid little replies like "if you were at a party but you don't dance" or "you wouldn't know funk if it was under your arm" are just.....well, STUPID. Stop making it personal. Gheezus, are you sucking Prince's dick or something? Stop getting butt hurt when someone disagrees with how wonderful (OR NOT) this ridiculous song is, okay?

Hey, people, calm down. I didn't say the song was a masterpiece, but it is good. It jams, damnit.

The funny thing is, while he's telling you not to let urban radio dictate to you what to listen to, the song sounds like it fits in perfectly with today's urban radio (that's the main reason I hate the song). He's got the same kind of thinking like when Prince said "where's the drummer" on a song that doesn't have a drummer on it either. Maybe that's Prince himself replying to you.
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2freaky4church1 said:

This is the .org, you know every sneeze and twitch has to be disected into fuckery.

ernestsewell said:

hey keep yo underwear on i dont mean 2 b personal, sorry u took it that way.it just seems all your comments r based on what the radio plays.seems like u heavy into radio reading your comments.again nothing personal, just funning wit u. ?name something u think is funky.not just prince.

NouveauDance said:

^ I agree joelmarable. Thank you. Radio is whack anyway.
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joelmarable said:

ALL my comments? LOL Do your homework.

ernestsewell said:

Oh come on Ernest, you know better than to downplay the importance of the legendary Linn LM-1 drum machine. It´s not like any other drum machine, you know he created some of his most unusual beats/drumtracks with the LM-1, putting the sound through guitar flangers, playing beats backwards and all. I think you know very well that most of the classic, staple songs from his catalogue were created with the LM-1, such as The Beautiful Ones, Ballad Of Dorothy Parker, etc.etc.
It´s the experimentation and free flowing creativity that made the use of the LM-1 so special to many old school Prince fans, not the realistic sounding drum sounds.
I think this is what many fans find so sad these days...ever since the release of the Rave album, Prince seems to be teasing his old school fans with "produced by Prince" (Rave album credits when he was still using the Symbol moniker) and the comeback of the LM-1 when actually it is not about whether he uses an old Lm-1 or not but rather HOW he uses it.
A good friend of mine was a bit surprised about my fondness for the old, LM-1 influenced Minneapolis sound and told me that all those sounds are readily available as software and that it´s totally unnecessary to go and buy an old LM-1 somewhere but that is not the point, I guess the point is what Prince really did with that simple old machine.
That sense of experimentation seems to be gone for good.Some people still wonder to this day how he created certain sounds, and most of it is well documented in Per Nielsen´s books but sometimes I wonder whether Prince himself would still be able to recreate those sounds he created with the same tricks he used two or three decades ago.
You´re right in saying that he´s just throwing in a few Linn sounds here and there for his old school fans who appreciate the old sound he used to have, for nostalgia´s sake...but I wonder...is he even really aware why people even make such a fuss about the Linn? Does he even know what we like about it? Can he, as the musician behind all those legendary songs, even appreciate the brilliance of his old songs?
I mean, I still can´t get enough of,say, the first couple of seconds of a song like Sex Shooter or She´s Always In My Hair, THAT to me is the epitome and best example of the Linn sound in Prince´s hand, but , unfortunately, as you said above, he seems to think it is already good enough when you just sprinkle a few Linn sounds here and there to make it sound like way back in the day...and that is a bit lame, IMO.
Just as lame as that pseudo-Linn-like whiplash sound that John Blackwell used to make while drumming....as much as I like him as a drummer, that annoying whiplash sound inbetween really got on my nerves, still does when I listen to ONA live material.

So, what do you, as a musician, think about all this? Is it even possible for him to recreate certain sounds he created while experimenting, or do you think he probably forgot most of his old tricks? Did Dr.Fink ever go into details about the creation process behind certain songs when he talked to you?

Efan said:

Ol' Skool Company = the best song on the entire LF/MPLS cd set... imo

KoolEaze said:

My point was that the Linn was not the defining ingredient in his music. It was one element of many. The guitar sounds, the synth effects, the vocal effects, the harmonies, the polished sound (yet still sounding raw and demo like at times).....ALL of that and more contribute to the Minneapolis Sound. And if it wasn't the Linn in all that, like I said, it would have been another, and we'd be raving about how he used the 808 or whatever other drum machines were out. It's all relative.

What do I think about what? I'm not a fan of the song, per se. I explained earlier about it sounding like a throw away demo.

As far as Matt Fink, he never really talked about the creation process itself. He mentioned how Prince would bring them tapes and basically say "learn it", when Prince had written a new song. I remember him claiming he should have had writing credit on something else from Purple Rain, but I forget the song. I want to say "Computer Blue", but I think he's listed on that. I remember him saying he should have gotten credit on one track, but ended up getting it on another. He didn't know why.

It seems though, as we already know, that Prince really wrote as a one man band most times, coming in with an idea or something. However, songs also came from jam sessions, and hopefully most times Prince was fair in doling out credits on who wrote what. I think it was Jesse Johnson that said that once in an interview (I could be wrong on that).

Love this song. By far the best on the album and one of my top 3 on the 3-CD set.

I think it had a hit potential if Prince could/wanted to promote seriously. It to me is one of his more fresh sounding tracks of recent years (unlike most of mplsound).

Over the past 10-12 years Prince has been much better when he walks the line between white and black. When he just completely crosses over to one or the other it usually turns out bad.
When he goes white, its usually to gay sounding. When he goes black, he usually tries to hard and it just sounds stupid.
Just last night, my wife and I were listening to a song where he says "nigga".
My wife said, Prince isnt black enough to say stuff like that...lol

I sense flamage in the near future

ronnwinter said:

There is a Prince song recorded between ca. 1998-2000 and 2010 where Prince uses the N word???

I don't consider shit hop as "black" because back in the early 1980s when it was "hip hop" instead of "shit hop", it was fast and funky ass shaking jams like "Planet Rock", "Egypt, Egypt", etc. It was also unheard of by 90% of white people. Lots of white people got into it in the 1990s when it had slowed down, stripped down, became thug infested, and become "shit hop" so actually, I consider shit hop as "white" music.

"thug"

"infested"



PERFECT!

EmancipationLover said:

Lol...Now that I think about it...it was before his JW conversion.

ernestsewell said:

I was responding to vainandy'

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..when he's got the same shitty sounding drum machines like..

I mean, we can argue about the groove/beat that Prince made. But it is the linn drum sound. I mean, it's the same "shitty sounding" drum machine that he has used forever...regardless of if you like the beat or not.
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