Do you think Prince is bankable for a major label signing?

Any maverick music exec's that would fit the bill willing to take on Prince?

Do you think Prince is bankable for a major label signing?

angelface22 said:

You've read nothing, obviously. I don't take anything personally that Prince does because I don't dish out $100 here, or $77 there for nonsense. So your "personally" nonsense is just that - nonsense.

And now YOU are making it personal because someone challenged your stance and your purple colored glasses, telling me I am wasting my life. You, dear heart, have no idea, nor can speak on/to/about my life.

I don't WORSHIP Prince. I worship God almight. Prince ain't a god, or God, so let that be clear right now. I have no other idols before me. I try to understand his music, enjoy it. His music is part of the soundtrack to all our lives, YOU included. We've all invested time, effort, and monies into Prince's music and career. He's a multimillionaire because of me, and YOU.

YOU have responded to everything I've typed in this thread, pretty much. So who is wasting whose time, exactly?

Now to get the thread back on track...

Anyway MUSIC INDUSTRY IS DEAD !

While Prince is still alive.

Thank God for that !

ernestsewell said:

oh ernest, i liked you till you started snipping at me. ok, so that was mean on my part. maybe you dont feel your time is wasted talking about him all day, to each his own but i still do think hes a damn good business man, thats just my opinion. dont hate me for it. i KNOW hes a multimillionaire because of US. that is precisely my point. talent alone DOES NOT get you to where prince is in his fame and life. hes smart and i do feel he knows what hes doing, his problem is he doesnt let others do their part in decision making, because he is too controlling. im a fan, i love his music thats why im here but i dont like seeing so many of his supposed 'fans' talk about him ALL the time with so much hate.

angelface22 said:

You read what you wish. I wasn't snipping at you until you made it personal. I am always up for a healthy debate on things, but it doesn't have to turn to "you have no life" or whatever it was.

Fans don't hate him. They're frustrated. There's a difference, so please understand that. Someone speaking against Prince or his business or even his music doesn't make them a hater. No good fan of any good artist is going to blindly follow them into everything they do. Sure fans are curious about new product, but eventually the Like or Dislike column is going to get a new tenant.

Let's not make it personal, and we'll be ok. But don't be dismissive of someone's opinion and down them for it. It's okay to disagree. Our lives go on regardless, right?

This is the answer to why there is no "chat room" on lotusflow3r.comEveryone here knows more about Prince than Prince himself.

He's only bankable if they were to get a slice of the back catalogue.

Prince is one of the most bankable talents in the music industry ever. His problem is not that there's no market for him, nor is it that he's too niche. His problem is that he won't let others manage him and do their job. If he'd listen to his management, LoveSexy would have been a bigger hit. The Gold Experience would have been very successful. Prince is a musician extraordinaire--a business man, he is not.

angelface22 said:

You read what you wish. I wasn't snipping at you until you made it personal. I am always up for a healthy debate on things, but it doesn't have to turn to "you have no life" or whatever it was.

Fans don't hate him. They're frustrated. There's a difference, so please understand that. Someone speaking against Prince or his business or even his music doesn't make them a hater. No good fan of any good artist is going to blindly follow them into everything they do. Sure fans are curious about new product, but eventually the Like or Dislike column is going to get a new tenant.

Let's not make it personal, and we'll be ok. But don't be dismissive of someone's opinion and down them for it. It's okay to disagree. Our lives go on regardless, right?

ernestsewell said:

YAWN.

SPOOKYGAS said:

Yet here you are, reading, responding.

ernestsewell said:

I take it U are the one receiving!

SPOOKYGAS said:

Oh, you're such a flirt. I promise I won't make you lay in the wet spot.

ernestsewell said:

The only wet spot is going to be on the inside of the extra large condom that I have 2 use to service your ass.

SPOOKYGAS said:

Extra large huh? How many other people you bringing then to fill them shoes?

Dig if you will. When he tours, we go out like crazy and buy the tickets to sell out the shows.When he starts his website we do the same thing. When he releases an album through with a box office retailer or sets up a manufactuing/distribution one off deal we buy again. We he comes out with his book, we're first in line to grab it. Now hes not forcing us to do all this but we do it because as some level we all enjoy his music.

But on the flip side when he asked his fans to send out a mailer to Warners to release the Gold Album we sent the mailer and it was released.

Stop the clock! Bart and Ernie on the same thread, we are all about to be skooled...on U go lads...let the educating begin.

angelface22 said:

Let's not give Prince some fancy pass because he's some musical genius. No artist sets out to constantly change their website address, cheat their audience, and make empty promises. Prince wanted interaction, and he got it. He got complaints, refund requests, and Better Business Bureau reports. 1800NEWFUNK was probably a better venture that he should have stuck with than the later version of NPGMC. There were no outrageous fees, or crappy content. There was just a place to order things, communicate, and read news.

So yes, Prince IS a poor business man. Very, very bad. I've NEVER seen any artist who has tried to, and succeeded in, pulling the type of shady shenanigans that Prince has. His sites became more and more heavy and clunky with too much Flash (the content and the hype), and not a lot of content. What did he want to get out of these sites? What exactly did he want out of this later versions of his site? MONEY! That's what. NPGMC year one was probably the only version of any website that he charged you to be a part of, where he actually delivered enough content to warrant spending $100 for membership. Year two saw ANOTHER fee of $25, and 99 cent downloads. Downloads which people can no longer enough because of him putting Digital Rights Management (DRM) on the files. No one can play the fucking things anymore. That's why I have no qualms about downloading torrents for shit like "Glasscutter", "Silver Tongue" or the Bataclan single, or whatever.

He got to be a multimillionaire because of Purple Rain, let's keep it real. THAT is where the bulk of his initial fortune came from. Tours are where money comes from not album sales. Now while Prince probably shared a greater percentage of points on an album in profits, in the 90's, he wasn't selling anything. People grew tired of his name change and rants about corporate slavery (while talking through Mayte, like a brat), and things like COME, Chaos, Gold, and even Exodus were greatly overlooked. Any artist, even people like Madonna, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, and Bruce Springsteen (who have those bigger points on an album, or even own their masters) make more money in either publishing (like MJ, and Paul McCartney, and many others), or touring. Touring rakes in cash like no one's business. Ticket sales, the retail booths.....TONS of money roll in. Prince has money because of THAT, not because he sold 15 million copies of NewPowerSoul, or because he had 10 million people sign up for NPG Music Club. The record company forwarded Prince five or 8 million for a record to be delivered, then promoted it greatly to sell copies and Prince made more money. Made even more on touring for those albums. THAT is where money came from. I would doubt that NPGMC even saw 500,000 members, or half that. Musicology was one of the biggest tours for 2004, and garnered just over $87 million. After paying for crew, venues, and the band, Prince still stood to make the bulk of the money. Some of those costs are defrayed w/ sponsors, and his polyester pockets are getting bigger and bigger. Same with the 02 shows in London. And the money came rolling in...

Prince is smart to tour. He's not smart in promotion anymore. He's not smart in releasing a single, or really putting some effort into things. He does some performances on TV, sure. And they're fun to see. 3 nights on Leno. Great. Ellen show. Great. Rant about chemical trails and unnamed presidents before Washington? Bad.

Anyone is if they think Prince is doing things right. The LotusFlow3r fiasco alone is enough to show I'd NEVER EVER signed up for one of Prince's websites. Show me ANYTHING worth $77 on that site. ANYTHING.

Stop the clock! Bart and Ernie on the same thread, we are all about to be skooled...on U go lads...let the educating begin.

angelface22 said:

Let's not give Prince some fancy pass because he's some musical genius. No artist sets out to constantly change their website address, cheat their audience, and make empty promises. Prince wanted interaction, and he got it. He got complaints, refund requests, and Better Business Bureau reports. 1800NEWFUNK was probably a better venture that he should have stuck with than the later version of NPGMC. There were no outrageous fees, or crappy content. There was just a place to order things, communicate, and read news.

So yes, Prince IS a poor business man. Very, very bad. I've NEVER seen any artist who has tried to, and succeeded in, pulling the type of shady shenanigans that Prince has. His sites became more and more heavy and clunky with too much Flash (the content and the hype), and not a lot of content. What did he want to get out of these sites? What exactly did he want out of this later versions of his site? MONEY! That's what. NPGMC year one was probably the only version of any website that he charged you to be a part of, where he actually delivered enough content to warrant spending $100 for membership. Year two saw ANOTHER fee of $25, and 99 cent downloads. Downloads which people can no longer enough because of him putting Digital Rights Management (DRM) on the files. No one can play the fucking things anymore. That's why I have no qualms about downloading torrents for shit like "Glasscutter", "Silver Tongue" or the Bataclan single, or whatever.

He got to be a multimillionaire because of Purple Rain, let's keep it real. THAT is where the bulk of his initial fortune came from. Tours are where money comes from not album sales. Now while Prince probably shared a greater percentage of points on an album in profits, in the 90's, he wasn't selling anything. People grew tired of his name change and rants about corporate slavery (while talking through Mayte, like a brat), and things like COME, Chaos, Gold, and even Exodus were greatly overlooked. Any artist, even people like Madonna, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, and Bruce Springsteen (who have those bigger points on an album, or even own their masters) make more money in either publishing (like MJ, and Paul McCartney, and many others), or touring. Touring rakes in cash like no one's business. Ticket sales, the retail booths.....TONS of money roll in. Prince has money because of THAT, not because he sold 15 million copies of NewPowerSoul, or because he had 10 million people sign up for NPG Music Club. The record company forwarded Prince five or 8 million for a record to be delivered, then promoted it greatly to sell copies and Prince made more money. Made even more on touring for those albums. THAT is where money came from. I would doubt that NPGMC even saw 500,000 members, or half that. Musicology was one of the biggest tours for 2004, and garnered just over $87 million. After paying for crew, venues, and the band, Prince still stood to make the bulk of the money. Some of those costs are defrayed w/ sponsors, and his polyester pockets are getting bigger and bigger. Same with the 02 shows in London. And the money came rolling in...

Prince is smart to tour. He's not smart in promotion anymore. He's not smart in releasing a single, or really putting some effort into things. He does some performances on TV, sure. And they're fun to see. 3 nights on Leno. Great. Ellen show. Great. Rant about chemical trails and unnamed presidents before Washington? Bad.

Anyone is if they think Prince is doing things right. The LotusFlow3r fiasco alone is enough to show I'd NEVER EVER signed up for one of Prince's websites. Show me ANYTHING worth $77 on that site. ANYTHING.

I was with you until you mentioned MJ and publishing. MJ made big bucks because he bought into the Beatles catalog, which actually also included his own records. Also, name me one artist that actually makes money from selling music from websites? It's just not an income earner. This is way P basically ditched LotusFlo3er.

SPOOKYGAS said:

I have zero interest in him or what he has to say.