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Thread started 12/19/09 10:06am

illriddles

Large Room With No Light: Female vocals

For the longest time I thought Wendy, Lisa, or Susannah's vocals were on "Large Room With No Light". But according to the Wendy and Lisa interview, that was "a song Prince made when he lost Lisa, Susannah, and I". So who's female vocals are on the song? And who was the lineup (if there were any) on the song? All I know is that Sheila E. were on the drums and that's it.
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Reply #1 posted 12/19/09 10:49am

Aaron6

Wow...I didn't know that, I always thought Wendy amd Lisa was singing background on that song, which I love by the way. Hmmmm, I think someone is lying here, because the overall sound of that song SCREAMS Wendy and Lisa influence! I just don"t believe that they didn"t have their "hands" in that song. confused
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Reply #2 posted 12/19/09 11:29am

illriddles

If you search youtube for the interview they answered questions from this site (I think), and the interviewer asked them all the questions people wanted to know. Wendy simply stated that the song was written after he fired them and lost Susannah, but it sounds like Susannah's voice on it. I will find the clip and send it to ur inbox (if that's allowed up here).
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Reply #3 posted 12/19/09 11:32am

illriddles

Also they stated that they also wrote songs about him. Lisa stated (in reference to In This Bed I Scream): "He said something in the song about how did we lose each other's sound? Uhh..Because you fired us!"Lol
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Reply #4 posted 12/19/09 11:55am

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I will admit, I seen the interview as well, but any follower of Prince's music can listen to Prince during the 85/86 time period and tell when W&L "influenced" a song. It may be true, and Wendy has no reason to lie, but I struggle with that answer. It's almost like saying that "Power Fantastic" or "Joy in Repetiton" wasn't influenced by W&L as well. Jesse Johnson said it years ago that Prince was known for stealing "ideas" from other musicians within the circle and then the next thing you know the song was, "Produced, Arranged, Composed, and Performed" by you know who...
Aaron6ix cool
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Reply #5 posted 12/19/09 12:16pm

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Aaron6 said:

I will admit, I seen the interview as well, but any follower of Prince's music can listen to Prince during the 85/86 time period and tell when W&L "influenced" a song. It may be true, and Wendy has no reason to lie, but I struggle with that answer. It's almost like saying that "Power Fantastic" or "Joy in Repetiton" wasn't influenced by W&L as well. Jesse Johnson said it years ago that Prince was known for stealing "ideas" from other musicians within the circle and then the next thing you know the song was, "Produced, Arranged, Composed, and Performed" by you know who...
Aaron6ix cool


During and after the interview, many of us felt that she confused songs, and that she was still talking about In this Bed I Scream or something else. She may not even have known the name of In a Large Room as there seems to have been some confusion about it until the new version was released.
So, I'd say we're still in the dark but she probably meant another song. Someon should send the q to Renata...
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Reply #6 posted 12/19/09 1:02pm

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Could it be Jill Jones and Sheila?
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Reply #7 posted 12/19/09 1:16pm

illriddles

It honestly sound like Susannah. Maybe it was a song he and Susannah did in one of their recordings but after they broke up and he fired Wendy and Lisa, he wrote new lyrics but kept Susannah's voice? Maybe?
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Reply #8 posted 12/19/09 2:59pm

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It is them, they must have gotten confused.

Straight from Per Nilsen's "DMSR" book:

More Sunset Sound sessions followed from May 3rd to 11th (1986). "Get On Up" a cover of The Esquires 1967 song, was recorded live with Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E, Levi Seacer Jr, Eric Leeds and Matt Blistan. The next day, the same line-up with the addition of Sheila's sax player Norbert Stachel recorded "In A Large Room With No Light".
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Reply #9 posted 12/19/09 3:36pm

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Militant said:

It is them, they must have gotten confused.

Straight from Per Nilsen's "DMSR" book:

More Sunset Sound sessions followed from May 3rd to 11th (1986). "Get On Up" a cover of The Esquires 1967 song, was recorded live with Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E, Levi Seacer Jr, Eric Leeds and Matt Blistan. The next day, the same line-up with the addition of Sheila's sax player Norbert Stachel recorded "In A Large Room With No Light".




Thank you, Militant. I have been listening to this song everyday and it definitely sounds like W&L on the vocals. Also, I have a problem with W&L's assertion that they made Prince's sound. True, they were there and added input, but I truly believe that every musician takes "ideas" from everyone. Music is organic. We all hear sounds and pick up on moods. If Prince was totally taking W&L's ideas, why didn't they get hits from their own music (commercially like Waterfall)? Why aren't they as successful as Prince? Sorry, but W&L are still like a by word from the 80's. I am not taking from their talent, but Prince lives, eats and sleeps music, and he would have been a success without their influence. My twocents
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Reply #10 posted 12/19/09 4:34pm

illriddles

I knew they were on it. I thought it was Susannah. Isn't that the book they all said was errorneous though?
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Reply #11 posted 12/19/09 4:51pm

illriddles

And although the song is written in riddles, it doesn't sound like a song written towards the girls.
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Reply #12 posted 12/19/09 5:00pm

Jamzone333

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illriddles said:

And although the song is written in riddles, it doesn't sound like a song written towards the girls.



I agree. This song just sounded like they were just in the studio playing a new song...that is why I love the outtake version.

As far as the book, I hadn't heard that the info in the book was erroneous..however, only Prince and the people who really know him knows the truth about him and his life....
"A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son?
United States of Division"
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Reply #13 posted 12/19/09 5:41pm

illriddles

I hate when I read something important and then can't remember where I read it from but I am positive I heard Dr. Fink and Prince mention it was the most errorneous book they ever read and Fink mentioned that half of the quotes of his were not his statements.
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Reply #14 posted 12/19/09 6:44pm

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If you know anything about Per Nilsen, you know that he is THE most reliable source for Prince out of anyone that has ever written about him. The vast majority of information in his book has been checked with multiple sources and all evidence available.

For example, the quote posted, all the information about what was recorded when and who participated comes from the documentation of those sessions (studio logs, etc).
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Reply #15 posted 12/19/09 9:09pm

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Also:

madhouseman said:
Not that you asked, but here is a little background on the creation of this track:

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It was May of 1986 and Prince was going thru a period of renewal and change. Parade, his latest album was just released to good reviews and the first single, KISS, was #1 on the charts. At #2 was The Bangles MANIC MONDAY, which was also written by Prince, so he his professional life was going well. The second single, MOUNTAINS, was about to be released, and the world was waiting for his 2nd movie, “Under The Cherry Moon”. Not one to ever rest on his laurels, Prince had already begun creating his next project. The previous weeks had him holed up in Minneapolis, where he was recording a great deal and trying not to focus on the demise of his relationship with Susannah Melvoin. She had recently moved out of his home in Minneapolis and he decided to fly to Los Angeles and bury himself in his recording.

Saturday, May 3, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound, Los Angeles

Prince asked his engineer Coke Johnson to set up the studio for a new batch of recordings. Because the Revolution was rehearsing and touring together during much of this period, they were invited into the studio.

Coke arrived at the studio at 11:30 and began the set up for a band recording, but it wasn’t until 4 that people started showing up. During group jams, it wasn't uncommon for Prince and whoever was invited in the studio to just groove and record the entire session. Sometimes Prince would be inspired, sometimes he would hear something amazing and that would dictate the direction of the session. It was not an exact science and sometimes people got left off of credits, depending on Prince's mood and generosity. On other occasions, a familiar song would come up in the groove and everyone would start focusing on recording a cover of that song. On this day, Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman, Sheila E., Levi Seacer Jr., Eric Leeds, and Matt Blistan joined Prince to work on the classic song “Get On Up” by The Esquires (from their 1967 release on Bunky Records). After laying down the familiar jam, Prince led them into recording a new jazz-fusion song called “In A Large Room With No Light” (sometimes inaccurately referred to as “Welcome 2 The Ratrace”). The song was based on a jam by Wendy and Lisa.

Eric Leeds remembered this session:
“We also did … another song that Wendy and Lisa...we recorded live with Wendy and Lisa. I cannot remember whether Levi was there, I want to believe he was. Sheila played drums, the vocals, the background vocals were done by Sheila and Wendy and Lisa. Susannah might have been there but I don't remember. The horns were myself, Matt Blisston, and Norbert Stachel, who was Sheila's saxophone player by now, Eddie M having left. He was there for that session, playing alto sax, for a song called "Have you ever felt that love was like looking for a penny in a large room with no light”. It is like....Prince does Fifth Dimension. It was one of my favorite songs we ever did. It was an absolutely wonderful performance live, Sheila just absolutely kicked butt on it, it was just a great song, and unlike anything Prince has ever done. Very unique song, and a great song. It was another one of those cases where I thought, just really felt that we were part of something special on that one. And that's a song that I really hope sees the light of day some time, personally."


The recordings took place until midnight.

Sunday, May 4, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

Prince asked various members of the Revolution to show up for overdubs for yesterday’s session. Prince also included Sheila’s band member, Norbert Stachel to record various saxophone overdubs. From 3pm to midnight, additional layers were added to GET ON UP and to IN A LARGE ROOM WITH NO LIGHT. Prince and Coke spent the next 5 hours mixing the tracks.

At 5 in the morning, Prince realized the mixes were missing some additional vocals so he spent the next 7 hours adding his vocals as well as other background vocals to the tracks. If you listen closely to LARGE ROOM, you can hear the layered vocals behind the busy track.

Monday, May 5, 1986
Studio 3, Sunset Sound

The session didn’t stop. It was not uncommon for Prince to continue for hours at a time if he felt like he had a mission. This was one of those instances. From noon to 2:30 pm, Prince spent the time mixing the new vocals into the song and copying them on to cassette (2 TDK C-60 tapes).

Prince left the studio for a short time but soon afterwards, asked to be set up for some additional mixing. Apparently he wasn’t completely happy with the songs once he played them in the car and wanted to continue working on them. Although Coke set up for the next session, Susan Rogers was called in to take over for Coke now that he had been in the studio for over 24 hours straight.

Prince showed back up just after 8pm and he and Susan spent the next 5 hours working on crossfades and edits in the tracks.

Prince would continue to tweak the track over the next few days, eventually adding it to the collection he was compiling called “Dream Factory” but that is another story for another day.

- this information is from an early draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions.
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Reply #16 posted 12/19/09 9:52pm

illriddles

Thanks for the info! I knew something wasn't right when Wendy and Lisa stated that the song was written about them.
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Reply #17 posted 12/20/09 9:24am

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Eric Leads talked about the song in an interview, He said he remembered doing the song but didn't hear the final cut.

He said Wendy Lisa Sheila E Levi or BrownMark and possibly Susannah were there
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Reply #18 posted 12/22/09 11:27am

Aaron6

This information is fantastic very detailed. I knew W&L had something to do with this song! biggrin
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Reply #19 posted 12/22/09 2:43pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Eric Leads talked about the song in an interview, He said he remembered doing the song but didn't hear the final cut.

He said Wendy Lisa Sheila E Levi or BrownMark and possibly Susannah were there


See reply #15. wink
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Reply #20 posted 12/24/09 10:08pm

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wasitgood4u said:

Aaron6 said:

I will admit, I seen the interview as well, but any follower of Prince's music can listen to Prince during the 85/86 time period and tell when W&L "influenced" a song. It may be true, and Wendy has no reason to lie, but I struggle with that answer. It's almost like saying that "Power Fantastic" or "Joy in Repetiton" wasn't influenced by W&L as well. Jesse Johnson said it years ago that Prince was known for stealing "ideas" from other musicians within the circle and then the next thing you know the song was, "Produced, Arranged, Composed, and Performed" by you know who...
Aaron6ix cool


During and after the interview, many of us felt that she confused songs, and that she was still talking about In this Bed I Scream or something else. She may not even have known the name of In a Large Room as there seems to have been some confusion about it until the new version was released.
So, I'd say we're still in the dark but she probably meant another song. Someon should send the q to Renata...


I agree that she probably confused the song with In This Bed I Scream. She probably hasn't heard the song in 23+ years, unlike many of us who still listen to and talk about it cool
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Reply #21 posted 12/25/09 7:03pm

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squirrelgrease said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Eric Leads talked about the song in an interview, He said he remembered doing the song but didn't hear the final cut.

He said Wendy Lisa Sheila E Levi or BrownMark and possibly Susannah were there


See reply #15. wink



there it is... Thanks

I love stories like that
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Reply #22 posted 12/26/09 5:38am

illriddles

I think Susannah was there. Had to be because I KNOW I hear her voice. Even though Wendy and Susannah are twins, they sound different. So it had to be Wendy, Lisa, Sheila, and Susannah just like on Girls and Boys. smile
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Reply #23 posted 12/26/09 8:07am

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They don't necessarily HAVE to be there, Prince could have flown in vocal samples from another track . . . the point where the female vocals are prominent sounds like a sample from "Mountains" or a derivative of that track.
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Reply #24 posted 12/26/09 2:49pm

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then again u can listen 2 the song and it could of been shelia e on that track wit prince there is no tellin he has recorded wit alot of females and some good uncredited 4 backin voxs
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Reply #25 posted 12/27/09 10:13am

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squirrelgrease said:

(a lot)


Great stuff. Added this to http://prince.org/wiki/In...h_No_Light .
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Reply #26 posted 12/27/09 10:48pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

squirrelgrease said:

(a lot)


Great stuff. Added this to http://prince.org/wiki/In...h_No_Light .


I hope madhouseman decides to finish his book one day.
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Reply #27 posted 12/28/09 12:43pm

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So was IALRWNL due to be on Dream Factory then,like tha article states at the end, i always thought it a parade era track, and if it was why wasn't it included on the Dream Factory Boot.

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Reply #28 posted 12/28/09 3:42pm

illriddles

In a Large Room with No Light was on my boot. It has both versions of A Place in Heaven (Lisa's version and Prince's version also), the ORIGINAL "Strange Relationship" (Not the one on SOTT), We Can Funk original version, Can't Stop The Feeling I Got original, and both "Dream Factory" versions. I don't know if its the same one most people have because the cover looks funny. It has a picture of Prince from the 1999 era, and a cat on the back cover. I never understood.
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Reply #29 posted 01/03/10 10:59am

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squirrelgrease said:

BartVanHemelen said:



Great stuff. Added this to http://prince.org/wiki/In...h_No_Light .


I hope madhouseman decides to finish his book one day.


Oh yes! What's the scoop on this planned book? First I've heard of it? drool
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