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PrintableDesireeNevermind said: ernestsewell said: Carlin didn't know what he was talking about. God isn't out to micro manage anyone, nor punish them. For all you people who don't believe in God, I'm not surprised you have such a tainted, narrow, and ill-informed view of things. Amazing isn't it?  I was always amused at how Carlin lumped all religions into this monotheistic puddle. As if all religions have the same human origins story, the same god(s), the same belief in the fate of the universe or even it's size. I think Carlin must have had a bad experience in sunday school or got into a fight with a rabbi.  It is clear that Carlin was basing his piece on the Christian religion, as that would have been the majority of his audience, hence being relevant. The same piece being about Hinduism would be lost on a large percentage of his audience. However, at the end of the day, no matter which religion he uses, he can make much the same points - although the level of clawing money from its believers with the christian and evangelism moments eclipses other religions. And, as it happens, many religions do share similar backgrounds, many being developments of the primitive religions where the sun, moon etc were worshipped (although, to me, that makes more sense - to actually be grateful to the nature that surrounds you, rather than some mystic, unprovable "higher being"). ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: DesireeNevermind said: Amazing isn't it? I was always amused at how Carlin lumped all religions into this monotheistic puddle. As if all religions have the same human origins story, the same god(s), the same belief in the fate of the universe or even it's size. I think Carlin must have had a bad experience in sunday school or got into a fight with a rabbi. It is clear that Carlin was basing his piece on the Christian religion, as that would have been the majority of his audience, hence being relevant. The same piece being about Hinduism would be lost on a large percentage of his audience. However, at the end of the day, no matter which religion he uses, he can make much the same points - although the level of clawing money from its believers with the christian and evangelism moments eclipses other religions. And, as it happens, many religions do share similar backgrounds, many being developments of the primitive religions where the sun, moon etc were worshipped (although, to me, that makes more sense - to actually be grateful to the nature that surrounds you, rather than some mystic, unprovable "higher being"). wait...worship a tree over the one who allowed the tree to be?  and aren't evangelicals also christians - just greedy ones? | |
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ernestsewell said: Mindflux said: From the brilliant George Carlin;
"When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you." 
For the whole, wonderful piece, follow this link; http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm Carlin didn't know what he was talking about. God isn't out to micro manage anyone, nor punish them. For all you people who don't believe in God, I'm not surprised you have such a tainted, narrow, and ill-informed view of things. Oh, right - of course, he was a philistine, eh? There are plenty of threats of punishment throughout the bible, you know this is true. But you'll have a take on that, I'm sure. See, rather than actually take the Bible as the "Word of God", which is what it is supposed to be, people interpret it to fit themselves and any possible agenda they may have - of course, usually, to defend their faith. And, that is exactly what it is - faith - a supposedly admirable human condition in which one places trust and belief in something they can never know to be true or exist (and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary). It really is rich of you to accuse "the infidels" of a "tainted, narrow, and ill-informed view of things" when you are the one talking from an indoctrinated position and, therefore, subscribe to a pre-ordained belief system that limits your responses and attitudes. I read the bible, I was educated in a Catholic school - I read it, had lessons on it and decided for myself that this couldn't possibly be how it is and searched for my own truth. Its great that you love all this middle-man stuff and I have no problem with anyone having a faith - I don't view you any differently now I'm aware of your religious leanings as when I was unaware only last week. I just don't agree with it, don't subscribe to it and will defend my atheist ways as vehemently as any religious person would defend their beliefs ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: ernestsewell said: Carlin didn't know what he was talking about. God isn't out to micro manage anyone, nor punish them. For all you people who don't believe in God, I'm not surprised you have such a tainted, narrow, and ill-informed view of things. Oh, right - of course, he was a philistine, eh? There are plenty of threats of punishment throughout the bible, you know this is true. But you'll have a take on that, I'm sure. See, rather than actually take the Bible as the "Word of God", which is what it is supposed to be, people interpret it to fit themselves and any possible agenda they may have - of course, usually, to defend their faith. And, that is exactly what it is - faith - a supposedly admirable human condition in which one places trust and belief in something they can never know to be true or exist (and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary). It really is rich of you to accuse "the infidels" of a "tainted, narrow, and ill-informed view of things" when you are the one talking from an indoctrinated position and, therefore, subscribe to a pre-ordained belief system that limits your responses and attitudes. I read the bible, I was educated in a Catholic school - I read it, had lessons on it and decided for myself that this couldn't possibly be how it is and searched for my own truth. Its great that you love all this middle-man stuff and I have no problem with anyone having a faith - I don't view you any differently now I'm aware of your religious leanings as when I was unaware only last week. I just don't agree with it, don't subscribe to it and will defend my atheist ways as vehemently as any religious person would defend their beliefs When you've judged someone based solely on their religious beliefs, there's really nothing else to discuss, is there? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Mindflux said: It is clear that Carlin was basing his piece on the Christian religion, as that would have been the majority of his audience, hence being relevant. The same piece being about Hinduism would be lost on a large percentage of his audience. However, at the end of the day, no matter which religion he uses, he can make much the same points - although the level of clawing money from its believers with the christian and evangelism moments eclipses other religions. And, as it happens, many religions do share similar backgrounds, many being developments of the primitive religions where the sun, moon etc were worshipped (although, to me, that makes more sense - to actually be grateful to the nature that surrounds you, rather than some mystic, unprovable "higher being"). wait...worship a tree over the one who allowed the tree to be? and aren't evangelicals also christians - just greedy ones?Why not? At least you can be sure the tree exists. And that the tree provides oxygen. And absorbs carbon dioxide. And provides food. Yes, in fact it seems to make much more sense to love something that is real and that you have a real relationship with - the tree provides meaningful things that can keep you alive. What exactly would God provide to you on a daily basis? (something physical, something provable, not the assumption that God allows you to breathe or something!) I am, of course, aware that evangelicals are christians, but it does describe a specific group of (money-grabbing) christians (though, its quite safe to assume that there will be greedy christians amongst the general group too )
I also have to ask - as it was recently reported that scientists are close to being able to announce that they have proof of life other than in our solar system, how does this affect your belief? Because, surely this discovery has an even bigger impact than, say, the discovery of dinosaurs (which didn't seem to be enough to prove to religious people that they were believing in a myth). ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: DesireeNevermind said: wait...worship a tree over the one who allowed the tree to be? and aren't evangelicals also christians - just greedy ones?Why not? At least you can be sure the tree exists. And that the tree provides oxygen. And absorbs carbon dioxide. And provides food. Yes, in fact it seems to make much more sense to love something that is real and that you have a real relationship with - the tree provides meaningful things that can keep you alive. What exactly would God provide to you on a daily basis? (something physical, something provable, not the assumption that God allows you to breathe or something!) I am, of course, aware that evangelicals are christians, but it does describe a specific group of (money-grabbing) christians (though, its quite safe to assume that there will be greedy christians amongst the general group too )
I also have to ask - as it was recently reported that scientists are close to being able to announce that they have proof of life other than in our solar system, how does this affect your belief? Because, surely this discovery has an even bigger impact than, say, the discovery of dinosaurs (which didn't seem to be enough to prove to religious people that they were believing in a myth). This might come as a surprise but as a Christian and one who has discussed existence with many types of Christians and folk from other faiths, I have always thought that life existed not only on other planets but in other solar systems. Living organisms can have many forms and I'm sure science will one day prove me right that there is other life out there besides just our fading blue planet. I mean I believe God to be the ultimate extraterrestrial scientists and we are the result of his creations so why wouldn't he have other petrie dishes out there? I also believe there was life on the other planets in our system before there was life on our planet but through time, environmental catastrophy maybe even war and destruction among other lifeforms, they all died out - some scientist say our planet will reach the same fate eventually. Also, many religous people never had their faith shaken by the discovery of dinosaur fossils as the bible mentions the creation of the great beasts (dinosaurs were among the biggest beasts on the planet). If people, even faith based people can believe in ghosts and the spiritual plane of existence, I doubt aliens are any kind of reach.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Mindflux said: Why not? At least you can be sure the tree exists. And that the tree provides oxygen. And absorbs carbon dioxide. And provides food. Yes, in fact it seems to make much more sense to love something that is real and that you have a real relationship with - the tree provides meaningful things that can keep you alive. What exactly would God provide to you on a daily basis? (something physical, something provable, not the assumption that God allows you to breathe or something!) I am, of course, aware that evangelicals are christians, but it does describe a specific group of (money-grabbing) christians (though, its quite safe to assume that there will be greedy christians amongst the general group too )
I also have to ask - as it was recently reported that scientists are close to being able to announce that they have proof of life other than in our solar system, how does this affect your belief? Because, surely this discovery has an even bigger impact than, say, the discovery of dinosaurs (which didn't seem to be enough to prove to religious people that they were believing in a myth). This might come as a surprise but as a Christian and one who has discussed existence with many types of Christians and folk from other faiths, I have always thought that life existed not only on other planets but in other solar systems. Living organisms can have many forms and I'm sure science will one day prove me right that there is other life out there besides just our fading blue planet. I mean I believe God to be the ultimate extraterrestrial scientists and we are the result of his creations so why wouldn't he have other petrie dishes out there? I also believe there was life on the other planets in our system before there was life on our planet but through time, environmental catastrophy maybe even war and destruction among other lifeforms, they all died out - some scientist say our planet will reach the same fate eventually. Also, many religious people never had their faith shaken by the discovery of dinosaur fossils as the bible mentions the creation of the great beasts (dinosaurs were among the biggest beasts on the planet). If people, even faith based people can believe in ghosts and the spiritual plane of existence, I doubt aliens are any kind of reach. That's a very modern view and good for you - I'm not sure how that fits in with orthodox beliefs in any way but, whatever floats your boat. By the way, the mention of Leviathan or Behemoth is in no way proof of the dinosaurs existence and would suggest that dinosaurs and men lived side by sise, which all the scientific evidence points against. I love the idea of this heavenly scientist though - let's hope there's a point and that all his other experiments are not an abject failure like this one! ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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ernestsewell said: Wesco said: Yep agreed.... I also don't like how religous zelouts have to get all preachy and better then people who don't hold their faith... I don't go around banging on with my belief that if you have intelligence you would see that the whole religion thing is a farce.... if I see another reply and quote from the bible I will vomit, to me it is a book of fairy tales made to control the masses it holds no power. "A meditation of David. Only fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; no one does good! God looks down from heaven on the entire human race; he looks to see if there is even one with real understanding, one who seeks for God. But no, all have turned away from God; all have become corrupt. No one does good, not even one. Will those who do evil never learn? They eat up my people like bread; they wouldn't think of praying to God. But then terror will grip them, terror like they have never known before. God will scatter the bones of your enemies. You will put them to shame, for God has rejected them. " Like I said I didn't want a response of biblical diatribe, I clearly stated that these words hold no power over me... NO I am no fool as it would state otherwise... Im not going to convince you otherwise and you are not going to convince me... what I was saying is I dislike is religion when it gets preachy and someone feels as though they have the right to tell me im incorrect for thinking with my own mind and not one of the many sheep of the world who are told how to think and act. I don't try and change your thinking don't preach BS to me. And no I'm not evil and yes I learn unlike this diatribe sent through as a response, I actually work helping the homeless, drug addicted and people suffering a mental illness and feel as though if you are unable to see that you my friend are the fool that does not learn. | |
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JWs are no more homophobic than any other faiths. None of them openly embrace gay people even though we are supposed to love each other, no matter what.
The only problem I have with Prince being a JW is the total dismissal of all other faiths as "false". I miss "cursing" and wild Prince but at the end of the day, it's his life. i don't have to like anything about it. | |
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Wesco said: Like I said I didn't want a response of biblical diatribe, I clearly stated that these words hold no power over me... NO I am no fool as it would state otherwise... Im not going to convince you otherwise and you are not going to convince me... what I was saying is I dislike is religion when it gets preachy and someone feels as though they have the right to tell me im incorrect for thinking with my own mind and not one of the many sheep of the world who are told how to think and act. I don't try and change your thinking don't preach BS to me. And no I'm not evil and yes I learn unlike this diatribe sent through as a response, I actually work helping the homeless, drug addicted and people suffering a mental illness and feel as though if you are unable to see that you my friend are the fool that does not learn.
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ONE NAME OF GOD :
The LORD is My Shepherd JEHOVAH-RA(Jehovah the Shepherd) LORD in capital means "JEHOVAH" Lord in small letters means "(the son)" Then they will learn that you alone are called the LORD, that you alone are the Most High, supreme over all the earth. That men may know that you, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth. | |
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Nothing. Prince has to live his life just the rest of us. [Edited 12/22/09 21:06pm] | |
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kimrachell said: hmm...i don't agree with the JW religion, but it's not for me to say what prince should follow or believe in. that's his journey in life. i was surprised though when he became a JW!
i just never pictured him as one. what a person believes has an impact on their life and everything they do, so of course this effects his music. i still enjoy his music, maybe not as much as i did back in 1995, but i still do. i also think that he's more mellow than he was before, i think as he gets older he doesn't have that need to say the things and act the way he did when he was in his 20's and 30's, and i think a lot of his behavior now is because of his age, and people just blame it on his religion. people change as they mature.Things change people change....   ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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futurebaybeemama said: Each human being on this planet has free will. When motivated by true knowledge you make life choices. Everyone is on a journey! Life is about growth and change. Prince's journey is unique to him and reflect in his music. I love discovering new dimensions in him, including his impressive faith in God. He shares his gift with us, why do we have to judge him for it.
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People will always have their personal opinions about certain religions. There's really not much you can do to stop it, because quite frankly, their entitled to their opinions about it, whether anyone agrees with them or not. It is what it is.  [Edited 1/1/10 22:27pm] | |
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Prince want 2 b free he said, but with JW ur not free at all Welcome 2 The Dawn | |
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One word - brainwashed! Nuff said | |
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haven't read all the posts above, nor do I care to, so someone probably already said this, but...
His spirituality used to be inclusive. Now it's about segregation. That's what's so bad about it. Simple as that. | |
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Nothing at all. | |
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..... cuz he is not nasty anymore!  lol ...i don´t know whats good in that JW thing  [Edited 1/3/10 1:29am]  | |
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xtraloveable83 said: ..... cuz he is not nasty anymore!
lol ...i don´t know whats good in that JW thing
[Edited 1/3/10 1:29am] Its good to be solid and grounded, especially in these days. | |
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sweething said: xtraloveable83 said: ..... cuz he is not nasty anymore!
lol ...i don´t know whats good in that JW thing
[Edited 1/3/10 1:29am] Its good to be solid and grounded, especially in these days. Prince...solid and grounded!!!!!  | |
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they cant vote
they feel bad about receiving gifts his music has turned quite sour. everything pre 1999 to him might now be looked at as ''sinful'' i.e talking about sex the way he did | |
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eireboy34 said: sweething said: Its good to be solid and grounded, especially in these days. Prince...solid and grounded!!!!! ? | |
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I have absolutely no problem with it..it's his choice and the jw beliefs are understandable..I believed something similar before a ever heard of the religion or visited the kingdom hall..I don't think it deserves the false rep that it has obtained What is your main problem?
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errant said: haven't read all the posts above, nor do I care to, so someone probably already said this, but...
His spirituality used to be inclusive. Now it's about segregation. That's what's so bad about it. Simple as that. How inclusive was it to Non-Christians when, during the Purple Rain tour, Prince would say, "don't be confused, there is only one Lord...Jesus." ???? [Edited 1/4/10 15:38pm] "New Power slide...." |
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Vendetta1 said: JWs are no more homophobic than any other faiths. None of them openly embrace gay people even though we are supposed to love each other, no matter what.
The only problem I have with Prince being a JW is the total dismissal of all other faiths as "false". I miss "cursing" and wild Prince but at the end of the day, it's his life. i don't have to like anything about it. Agree! I'm not a religious person myself, nor do I believe in God but I respect everyone's beliefs. I do have issues though with religious people judging others for lack of belief or if the don't follow the 'right' faith. I guess my faith would just be 'common sense' | |
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cuz he don't cuss no more and sing freaky shit, duh  . i don't really mind the "toned down" prince much either, but you know...  For all time I am with you, you are with me. | |
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no worse than obama being a muslim | |
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