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PrintableBerry said: mistermaxxx said: Berry said: Davideye, I hear what ur saying. However I still don't agree. "Possession" is a negative word and so is "fall" in the context to which they r being used.
DavidEye Nailed it.Prince like any other Major Artist has had Ups&downs.Everybody has a Fan that wants too know all the details.I think the Cat is a probably a Big Fan but He is also being Objective on the Subject matter.turth is:Selling Prince from 78-88 is Easy alot of Interesting things.the Guy was Rolling&whatnot but How you tie 89-now will truly be interesting IMHO.as DavidEye put it so well:don't even trip because aside from Casual Fan,Die-Hards,etc.. the rest of the World doesn't even Care.I think it's cool that a Cat would Write a Book on Prince.I mean lets be real:Prince never really says a Damn thing in his Interviews overall IMHO.He still is stuck in the 80's that way with the Cat&Mouse Game of the Mystery Aura thing.I just cannot find a rational reason for this person to write a book about Prince and intimate details of his life. Alex himself has proclaimed himself a fan. We have seen this many times over where people publish books about people when they shouldn't. This issue came to the forefront when Princess Diana was killed. Where are the ethical boundries in journalism??? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it that way. I just don't know where anyone gets the right to make such a decision about another... I see this as a respect issue. --- Well, here's my two cents as someone who actually makes her living as a working journalist. I must respectfully disagree with Berry's assertion that a subject's approval should have any bearing on the accuracy or credibility of a journalistic work. It doesn't and it never should. Quite the opposite. Your subject should have no access to your notes, no say in the manner in which you write or produce your text/videt/etc. No self-respecting journalist I know would ever allow their subject to give "approval" prior to the publishing or broadcasting of a work. That's not a work of journalism. That's an autobiography. Is the title of the upcoming book sensationalistic? A tad. Is the writer interested in making a buck? Probably. But that, my friends, is the nature of what many amusingly call "entertainment journalism." If we, as the intended market or buying public, weren't that interested...well, we wouldn't all be here chatting about it and I -- admittedly -- wouldn't have waltzed into Barnes and Noble yesterday and pre-ordered my copy. Yes, I'm going to fork over $24 bucks for the darned thing. What can I say, I'm curious to see the author has to say and therefore be able to judge for myself. C'mon guys. You all know you'll probably be wanting to borrow the darned thing from me anyways... As for objectivity...that's an old-fashioned, and -- thankfully -- rapidly vanishing -- mentality in journalism. As a journalist, one should strive for fairness. Objectivity is not possible. I, as a woman of color, will cover, perceive, and relay an event to my audience in a completely different manner than a white, anglo male. Our experience and background will determine these differences. That difference allows for the a variety of voices. It makes for better, more diverse journalism...  ---------------------------------------------
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DavidEye said: Berry,I really don't think Prince is the least bit concerned about this book,and I don't think he's "hurt" by it at all.He is a world-known celebrity,and by now,he certainly knows the price of fame.Being famous means that people are always gonna write things about you,whether it's positive or negative.It's all part of the territory.And,truth be told,Alex (or any other author) does not need Prince's support or approval.
I agree. I still don't like the "fall" part of the title, but I think sometimes we put too much on how Prince might feel about things. I've definitely been guilty of that, thinking he gets easily hurt by this or that, struggling w/ trying to please himself & everyone else - PLEEZE  He decides what he wants to do & blazes ahead w/o worry, it's probably all very simple for him. He ain't giving this book a second thought. While the title annoys me it might make him laugh, who knows??
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xitlai said: Berry said: mistermaxxx said: Berry said: Davideye, I hear what ur saying. However I still don't agree. "Possession" is a negative word and so is "fall" in the context to which they r being used.
DavidEye Nailed it.Prince like any other Major Artist has had Ups&downs.Everybody has a Fan that wants too know all the details.I think the Cat is a probably a Big Fan but He is also being Objective on the Subject matter.turth is:Selling Prince from 78-88 is Easy alot of Interesting things.the Guy was Rolling&whatnot but How you tie 89-now will truly be interesting IMHO.as DavidEye put it so well:don't even trip because aside from Casual Fan,Die-Hards,etc.. the rest of the World doesn't even Care.I think it's cool that a Cat would Write a Book on Prince.I mean lets be real:Prince never really says a Damn thing in his Interviews overall IMHO.He still is stuck in the 80's that way with the Cat&Mouse Game of the Mystery Aura thing.I just cannot find a rational reason for this person to write a book about Prince and intimate details of his life. Alex himself has proclaimed himself a fan. We have seen this many times over where people publish books about people when they shouldn't. This issue came to the forefront when Princess Diana was killed. Where are the ethical boundries in journalism??? I'm sorry, but I just don't see it that way. I just don't know where anyone gets the right to make such a decision about another... I see this as a respect issue. --- Well, here's my two cents as someone who actually makes her living as a working journalist. I must respectfully disagree with Berry's assertion that a subject's approval should have any bearing on the accuracy or credibility of a journalistic work. It doesn't and it never should. Quite the opposite. Your subject should have no access to your notes, no say in the manner in which you write or produce your text/videt/etc. No self-respecting journalist I know would ever allow their subject to give "approval" prior to the publishing or broadcasting of a work. That's not a work of journalism. That's an autobiography. Is the title of the upcoming book sensationalistic? A tad. Is the writer interested in making a buck? Probably. But that, my friends, is the nature of what many amusingly call "entertainment journalism." If we, as the intended market or buying public, weren't that interested...well, we wouldn't all be here chatting about it and I -- admittedly -- wouldn't have waltzed into Barnes and Noble yesterday and pre-ordered my copy. Yes, I'm going to fork over $24 bucks for the darned thing. What can I say, I'm curious to see the author has to say and therefore be able to judge for myself. C'mon guys. You all know you'll probably be wanting to borrow the darned thing from me anyways... As for objectivity...that's an old-fashioned, and -- thankfully -- rapidly vanishing -- mentality in journalism. As a journalist, one should strive for fairness. Objectivity is not possible. I, as a woman of color, will cover, perceive, and relay an event to my audience in a completely different manner than a white, anglo male. Our experience and background will determine these differences. That difference allows for the a variety of voices. It makes for better, more diverse journalism... Thank u. I agree with most of what u said, especially the part about an autobiography, touche'. You say that the "subject" basically has no part in the process (hands on) with the writer. So is this book to be percieved as "objective"? I do not see how that would be possible given Hahn's background and relations with Prince. Is he a journalist, lawyer, or fan? The title IS inappropriate given his statements regarding the content. Again this leaves me wondering how qualified he is to write such a book. I mean...it's only about someones life...right? | |
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how many books you written berry ???
Ever heard the phrase "Never judge a book by its cover" ?? Well congratulations, you've done just that. Perhaps Alex's plan was to stir up CONTROVERSY (remember that word) by giving this book such a title ? Congratulations on promoting his book through continuing this argument. | |
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Berry said: I honestly doubt it. Folks that is important!
Addressing the issue of journalism and ethics. A "good" journalist would seek the approval of their subject for continuity and depth. Dear Berry... that's not true. Plus Prince is not accessible for that kind of thing. He doesn't even want someone to snap a picture of him. So when you say Alex Hahn should have sought Prince's approval, you need to first consider if it could be obtained. I don't think so. To seek "TRUE" substance. To be accurate. "The Rise and Fall" title in and of itself is inaccurate. Prince is 44 and still has an overflowing fanbase worldwide. He was just on Leno. He keeps pumping out music... where is the "Fall"? Kurt Cobain, now theres a fall. It's a bad title from a creative standpoint. The words "rise and fall" front thousands of books and articles. It is to unauthorized biographies and exposés what "My Life" is to autobiographies. It's also very risky to write off a musical genius in his 40's. The title alone leaves me appalled. It is a very poor choice of words to describe Prince at this time in his life. It is EXTREMELY INAPPROPRIATE! For that reason alone, I question the credibility of Mr. Alex Hahn and his judgments. My opinion is that Prince does not support this. As a matter of fact I would venture out to say he's probably hurt by it. He certainly won't get anything out of it. I don't see such a title helping his career much... Come on... a book on Prince need not "help" his career. If that was Alex Hahn's goal, his book would be even less interesting to me. You just need thicker skin, Berry. The circumstances under which you would like this book to be written do not exsst in Prince's case and would make the biography worthless. | |
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