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Printablejayquan said: ^Well, we are not on the same page obviously. Myself and others were making a point that 400,000 was good for an independent release with certain factors attached to it. You made the argument that AC DC matched previous 80s sales with Black Ice. I pointed out that Black Ice did not have those same factors attached. If he wanted the "machine" behind it , im sure he could have gotten it. But in both financial and artistic freedom respects why should he? The question would then be if Black Ice was only in Target with no videos , radio play etc etc would they have moved the same amount of units. Of course not. Its a moot point dude.
I can bet u that even after this very clear and simple explanation, they still won't get it  I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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BlackAdder7 said: Graycap23 said: Prince made more $ with Lotus. Go figure. is that true?...how so? By cutting out the middlemen. Getting bigger cuts. Not $1 per CD, but more. He's doing all the work, delivers a complete(r) product. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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TheEnglishGent said: japanrocks said: check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/w...iscography
would i be right in saying worst selling record since Rainbow Children? last 3 records charted in at least 8 countries this one only 2? yikes I think lotus has only been officially released in USA and France, so charting in more than 2 countries would be quite some achievement. I would say it is an achievemnt: the second reanking is for the Netherlands and is taken from Austrian statistics, according to wikipedia? did it really reach that high in the Netherlands or Austria? | |
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udo said: BlackAdder7 said: is that true?...how so? By cutting out the middlemen. Getting bigger cuts. Not $1 per CD, but more. He's doing all the work, delivers a complete(r) product. Prince will be lucky if he NETTED $.10 per sale with Purple Rain. | |
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Graycap23 said: udo said: By cutting out the middlemen. Getting bigger cuts. Not $1 per CD, but more. He's doing all the work, delivers a complete(r) product. Prince will be lucky if he NETTED $.10 per sale with Purple Rain. At the celebration, he said he made 4 million from PR album sales. | |
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piepie1976 said: Graycap23 said: Prince will be lucky if he NETTED $.10 per sale with Purple Rain. At the celebration, he said he made 4 million from PR album sales. I'm talking NET. That is $.22 cents per album sold. That is Gross not net. Even if u go wuth the gross $4m, he made more with Lotus. [Edited 12/8/09 10:30am] | |
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Graycap23 said: piepie1976 said: At the celebration, he said he made 4 million from PR album sales. I'm talking NET. That is $.22 cents per album sold. That is Gross not net. Even if u go wuth the gross $4m, he made more with Lotus. [Edited 12/8/09 10:30am] Yea I think he was talking net. He said, "I made about..." Not much considering the world wide sales tally. | |
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How does the mps3 downloads figure into determining the success of an album?
Are this numbers presented to the polling/rating institutions in the music industry? | |
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Wow, 400,000 people bought that thing?
God love'em.  | |
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Imago said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I personally think lotusflow3r was a commercial success.
Prince is over 25 years into his career and managing to sell that many albums from a single retailer. That's pretty impressive. Moreover, I would imagine his overseas sales and lotusfailure sales are pretty impressive too. I do get the sense he's probably moved on to a new project though. We'll probably be hearing rumors about that any week now  Exactly! In fact it is a commercial success. Pulling in those numbers after 30 years in the business and 51 years old @ one retailer is remarkable. Prince should be proud of himself. Why he stopped promoting it is beyond my believe. A lot of peeps on her are idiots and don't understand how bad the music industry is doing right now. No one is selling anymore. U don't need a hit single or radio airplay 2 b successful. Prince has proven that over & over again...WAKE UP PEOPLE! Its about 2 b even more successful after Prince wins the Grammy 4 best pop & rock per4mance.Target will sell out after that. That'll put it over 500.000 @ Gold status.  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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thedance said: Purple Rain... 18 million copies...
it sure has gone downhill for Prince record sales. It's not really fair to compare Prince in the PR era and to the Prince of now; back then, he, MJ and Madonna were like many other Britney Spear types, fully used by the system to make profit (U may add willingly). Now, Prince is a totally different man, who has chosen to espouse different values. As an independent artist, I think he's doing an excellent job. [Edited 12/10/09 2:32am] Snare drum pound on the 2 & 4 | |
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MyLawd said: As an independent
artist, I think he's doing an excellent job. In what way? Financially? Artistically? Autistically? Legally? I mean, could you please be a little bit more precise? This could help the discussion further. (not that I disagree per se of course) Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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KCOOLMUZIQ said: Imago said: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I personally think lotusflow3r was a commercial success.
Prince is over 25 years into his career and managing to sell that many albums from a single retailer. That's pretty impressive. Moreover, I would imagine his overseas sales and lotusfailure sales are pretty impressive too. I do get the sense he's probably moved on to a new project though. We'll probably be hearing rumors about that any week now Exactly! In fact it is a commercial success. Pulling in those numbers after 30 years in the business and 51 years old @ one retailer is remarkable. Prince should be proud of himself. Why he stopped promoting it is beyond my believe. A lot of peeps on her are idiots and don't understand how bad the music industry is doing right now. No one is selling anymore. U don't need a hit single or radio airplay 2 b successful. Prince has proven that over & over again...WAKE UP PEOPLE! Its about 2 b even more successful after Prince wins the Grammy 4 best pop & rock per4mance.Target will sell out after that. That'll put it over 500.000 @ Gold status. ----- Co-Sign Hard to believe you have music fans on this site who have no idea how bad music is selling right now. | |
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It sold decently because it was cheap. Target did a good job promoting it in stores, and Prince has enough name recognition and good feelings from people to elicit curiosity for LF. I'm sure a lot of people thought, "Oh, what the hell, I liked Purple Rain and there are three albums here for $11--I'll give it a shot."
He subsidized the low Target price by grossly overcharging website members, so he greedily ensured that he made money all around. If he's pleased with his sales of 400,000, good for him, but I consider this one of the absolute low points in his career because of his thieving actions. | |
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Simple math: 18,000,000 x 8.00/unit (1984 album/cassette price) = $144,000,000
of which Prince made $4,000,000 on Purple Rain. That is .0278 = 2.78% and u wonder why Prince became an independent artist? [Edited 12/16/09 20:27pm] | |
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thedance said: Purple Rain... 18 million copies...
it sure has gone downhill for Prince record sales. Wasn't Lovesexy just 4 years later and only did 500,000 in the U.S.? It went downhill for him over two decades ago, if you want to call it that... [Edited 12/16/09 14:08pm] | |
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Graycap23 said: Simple math: 18,000,000 x 8.00/unit (1984 album/cassette price) = $144,000,000
of which Prince made $4,000,000 on Purple Rain. That is .002% and u wonder why Prince became an independent artist? not so simple that U can actually get it right! try again. |
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jayquan said: For Those About To Rock sold 4 million in the US , while Black Ice sold half that.Purple Rain sold well over 10 million units.That was his Thriller (that had a great movie attached to it). If he wanted the "machine" behind it , im sure he could have gotten it. But in both financial and artistic freedom respects why should he? The question would then be if Black Ice was only in Target with no videos , radio play etc etc would they have moved the same amount of units. Of course not. Its a moot point dude.
[Edited 12/6/09 19:04pm] Black Ice was sold only @ Wal-Mart. Good music is good music. It will sell. Prince sells to his fans only. Sometimes not even to them. [Edited 12/16/09 17:41pm] |
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if prince did a Purple rain mark 2 - and promoted it as such, then i would bet he would sell a million at least - it's all about the public's perception of an artist at a given time. But he has no need to sellout to that middle american audience that would bring him such sales. he's happy doing his thing. like it or lump it. | |
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SPOOKYGAS said: Graycap23 said: Simple math: 18,000,000 x 8.00/unit (1984 album/cassette price) = $144,000,000
of which Prince made $4,000,000 on Purple Rain. That is .002% and u wonder why Prince became an independent artist? not so simple that U can actually get it right! try again. Feel free. | |
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Efan said: It sold decently because it was cheap. Target did a good job promoting it in stores, and Prince has enough name recognition and good feelings from people to elicit curiosity for LF. I'm sure a lot of people thought, "Oh, what the hell, I liked Purple Rain and there are three albums here for $11--I'll give it a shot."
He subsidized the low Target price by grossly overcharging website members, so he greedily ensured that he made money all around. If he's pleased with his sales of 400,000, good for him, but I consider this one of the absolute low points in his career because of his thieving actions. ----- It is called capitalism!!! Get use to it | |
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laurarichardson said: Efan said: It sold decently because it was cheap. Target did a good job promoting it in stores, and Prince has enough name recognition and good feelings from people to elicit curiosity for LF. I'm sure a lot of people thought, "Oh, what the hell, I liked Purple Rain and there are three albums here for $11--I'll give it a shot."
He subsidized the low Target price by grossly overcharging website members, so he greedily ensured that he made money all around. If he's pleased with his sales of 400,000, good for him, but I consider this one of the absolute low points in his career because of his thieving actions. ----- It is called capitalism!!! Get use to it I'm fine with capitalism. It's Prince's unmitigated greed that bothers me. | |
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Not bad for a shite album....I think I nearly prefer Subo at this stage!!!!  | |
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TheEnglishGent said: japanrocks said: check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/w...iscography
would i be right in saying worst selling record since Rainbow Children? last 3 records charted in at least 8 countries this one only 2? yikes I think lotus has only been officially released in USA and France, so charting in more than 2 countries would be quite some achievement. OMGOSH Purple Rain 13x platinum i had no idea how huge it was... | |
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Graycap23 said: thedance said: Purple Rain... 18 million copies...
it sure has gone downhill for Prince record sales. Prince made more $ with Lotus. Go figure. I believe you. How do you think artists make out today on tours vs. back in the Purple Rain days? | |
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Efan said: laurarichardson said: ----- It is called capitalism!!! Get use to it I'm fine with capitalism. It's Prince's unmitigated greed that bothers me. There's a fine line between capitalism and greed. Maybe no line at all. The name of the game is to win. Not at any cost, but still to win. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Efan said: I'm fine with capitalism. It's Prince's unmitigated greed that bothers me. There's a fine line between capitalism and greed. Maybe no line at all. The name of the game is to win. Not at any cost, but still to win. Just to be clear, my problem is with the LF website, not with sales of the CD at Target, in case I had muddled my argument. My problem with the LF website is the greed behind it. I feel he used the website to make up for money he lost elsewhere (by slashing the cost of the set at Target). To me, there's a huge, very distinct line between capitalism and greed. A good capitalism approach would have been to make the website good--something that its subscribers actually liked. That way, it would be sustainable and I (and others) would happily hand over my money for a second year. But greed is often shortsighted and plans only for the now. That's what Prince did. He ripped off his fans and then he ran away like a coward. I bow to you in almost all matters economic and financial, RodeoSchro, but in this one case, I believe the line between capitalism and greed was very well defined. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Graycap23 said: Prince made more $ with Lotus. Go figure. I believe you. How do you think artists make out today on tours vs. back in the Purple Rain days? It depends. When u look at deals that Madonna and Jayz signed recently, they get paid upfront it appears. In that case, it looks like the company has 2 recoup. The way it appears on the surface anyway. Anyone know? I've been out of the game 2 long 2 know how the current deals are really structured. | |
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Efan said: RodeoSchro said: There's a fine line between capitalism and greed. Maybe no line at all. The name of the game is to win. Not at any cost, but still to win. Just to be clear, my problem is with the LF website, not with sales of the CD at Target, in case I had muddled my argument. My problem with the LF website is the greed behind it. I feel he used the website to make up for money he lost elsewhere (by slashing the cost of the set at Target). To me, there's a huge, very distinct line between capitalism and greed. A good capitalism approach would have been to make the website good--something that its subscribers actually liked. That way, it would be sustainable and I (and others) would happily hand over my money for a second year. But greed is often shortsighted and plans only for the now. That's what Prince did. He ripped off his fans and then he ran away like a coward. I bow to you in almost all matters economic and financial, RodeoSchro, but in this one case, I believe the line between capitalism and greed was very well defined. Yeah, I get your point. And I agree that Lotu$flower.com was a rip-off (at least so far. I remain the hopeful optimist that in the next three months, we'll get something to validate that $77). Not sure why I went all Gordon Gecko on you. Sorry 'bout that! | |
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