Militant said:

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VT: I gather that Mayte was the driving force behind your interest in vegetarianism. Would you have gotten there without her influence?

The Artist: Mayte showed me how many different vegetarian dishes one could have and never miss the things you would imagine. I never was a big milk drinker anyway, but I really like vanilla soymilk. Being without my wife's influence is not a reality to me, so I don't speculate on life without her.

Militant said:

Do you know about your digestive system? Have you taken a look at your teeth in a mirror? "Canine" teeth aren't called canine for nothing! Whether you like it or not, whether you choose to eat meat or not, we are all OMNIVORES! Would you ask a bear not to eat meat?! By the way, that turkey I cooked yesterday was really delicious...

poetcorner61 said:

Yes, I know all about my digestive system, and I know how the body produces excess acid in order to break down meat, and how meat sits, rotting, in the gut for days before it is properly digested.

You have no idea what "canine" means do you? It has nothing to do with eating meat.

Humans develop a diet based upon what their parents feed them, nothing more nothing less. Being an omnivore simply means we are physically CAPABLE of eating meat, not whether we should or shouldn't. I'm phsysically capable of sticking a knife in your guts too, but I don't do it because I have COMPASSION.

And just like I have compassion and respect for the life of humans, I do for animals too.

I'm glad your turkey tasted nice. I'm not sure why you felt the need to tell me that. Clearly it tasted nice to you, otherwise you wouldn't have cooked it in the first place. Personally, I have no desire to glutton myself on flesh, carcasses, and intoxicate my body with animal enzymes, but if you do, more power to ya! Have a great day!

What the hell would we do with all these spare animals if we stopped eating them?

animals eat each other and sometimes us without batting an eyelid, when they cut that shit out, i might too.

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Militant said:

I was a vegetarian for several years, although I now eat meat but only healthy lean cuts with minimal portions... I'm constantly amused at the militancy, condescension, and misinformation of many who call themselves vegan or vegetarian... Seems that you don't know what "canine" means...referring to the "dog-like" teeth that humans have that were made for ripping meat... Certainly God/Nature designed us as omnivores who have a choice in eating meat or plants, just like bears, raccoons and other animals... But to treat a natural function that your body was designed for--the eating of meat--as if it was unnatural and tantamount to a horrifying disease is ridiculous! Just goes to show how modern people try so much to separate themselves from nature and other animals... As if humans aren't animals themselves! That's a real insult to my grandparents, great-grandparents and anyone else who raised their own animals and plants on a farm and could only afford to eat what they raised themselves--which included butchering and cooking some of the animals! The elite of society certainly make a practice of looking down their noses at people who don't practice their prescribed ways of life, don't they?

Militant said:

Sigh.
I allready started this post with the statement that my opinion and possible prejudiced is based on the couple of pale, miserable , underweight vegans I met in my life PLUS two raw foodists (might be not the same as vegan, but still overlapping some basics, not?)
I am willing to admit that I might be biased; but how do you know those non meat-eating kids are healthier than those meat eating? Did you sent them all to some health check? I think it's quite insulting too, since you yourself are so sensitive about your diet.
At first I didn't write about my other impression of "the couple of pale and miserable looking vegans I've met in my life" because I didn't want to steam things up. But your heated reaction kind of confirms me in this: I also think they are rather fanatical in their ideas.
By the way; the first vegan I met in my life at age 7, was my aunt (married to my mother's brother). Poor woman was vegan her whole life and in the end still died of anal cancer. So it's certainly no guarantee for health I would say.

And last. Be a vegan an chew on some carrot the rest of your life if you want to. But don't accuse us omnivores of animal murder. That's rude.
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poetcorner61 said:

1. You made a condescending post in this thread before I did. In fact, I was trying to not be rude, or condescending, but you took it there.

2. I'm an atheist, so you can say god god god all you want, it means nothing to me.

3. You still didn't address my points. We have the ABILITY to eat meat and the choice not to. I have the physical ability to kill people too, but I make the choice not too. Since I value the life of an animal as much as I value the life of a fellow human, I make the compassionate choice.

4. I don't believe in things being "natural" or "unnatural". In modern society we simply make choices. In fact, the ones who believe in things because "it's natural" are often the least progressive, and the same type of people that bash homosexuals because, apparently that is "unnatural" according to them.

5. I don't treat the consumption of meat as tantamount to a horrifying disease, I treat it as tantamount to murder, because that is exactly what it is. Kill a person, kill an animal, they both are life, and if they feel like they are in danger both will react the same way. I wouldn't kill you and I wouldn't kill an animal either. Who are you to say the life of an animal is of lesser value than the life of a human? We're fully capable of living healthy, happy lives without unnecessarily killing an animals, and that is the path I and many others have chosen to take. Argue, protest all you want, fact is, life is always preferable to death. It's kinda funny how you say "as if human's weren't animals", when YOU are the one placing a lesser value on the life of other species'. You're right - we ARE all animals and I don't wish to kill any of us, human, or otherwise.

The only difference between humans and other animals is that WE have the ability to make a choice. You choose killing and death. I do not.

6. I'm not insulting your grandparents at all. We didn't have convenient access to all the information required to live a balanced vegetarian lifestyle in their day, through mediums like the internet.

However, since you say "they could only afford to eat what they raised and grew themselves" - let me break it down for you. If they stopped raising animals for consumption and used the land the animals were using to grow crops and vegetables instead, they would have had 10x the amount of food. If everyone in the world did that, there would be no world hunger problems. Fact. So don't paint the picture of your grandparents being some poor people that had no choice but to eat meat, that's fucking bullshit. They had the choice not to, like we all do. They just didn't have convenient access to the information necessary to facilitate that decision.

I come from an Indian background, and let me tell you something - there is a level of poverty in India like you have no understanding of unless you've been there and seen it. And yet, MILLIONS of people live on a vegetarian diet out of respect and courtesy to other life forms. It's way more common there. If they can do it and survive, there's no reason why your grandparents could not.

Sweet
Ive tried going veggie in the past its hardd so yeah well done i guess

hey this is fun .. so im a veggie not vegan for about 16 years now ... it always made sense to me because i dig animals and believe they deserve far more respect than they get ... i used to love the taste of meat and it was all i ate but it conflicted with a strong sense in me that what i was doing was primarily selfish and unneccessary and did in fact cause great suffering in both animals and people as animal products are not by gods design or any other design, intended for humans ..

prince did say it best ... cows are for calves

in that duh ... a womans breast milk is what is healthy for a child and a cows milk is what is healthy for a calf

common sense to me

but it did take me a few tries and eventually i found some good food to take the place of animals ... i think we started eating animals when exploring colder areas of the world but in this age it is totally unneccesary ... and the fact is they pump those animals with all sorts of nasty steroids what u are injesting will make u sick in a bad way

i am pretty sure prince got a write up in vegetarian times at one point
raw food is the way to go ... i hope i get to that point at some day ... anytime u cook your food u decrease its nutrients and obviously that means u are still hungry because your body did not get what it needed ... anything microwaved has no nutrients as microwaves destroy them u might as well eat cardboard ...

also i think prince is right on about the chem trails ... our government does in fact drop bio experiments on us and guess who gets paid when everyone has to get vaccinated ... and the vaccines will give u autism among other things such as death ... go prince go go

Militant said:

Sorry, but you are being biased and making judgments on people just because they don't follow YOUR prescribed outlook and way of life! Just as you don't wish someone else's judgement forced on you, why do you persist on trying to force your's on other people?! Especially concerning an eating process that we were designed for scientically (since you don't seem to believe in nature). Sorry but for any omnivores to consume animals is not murder--that is a normative judgment call that you choose to make. I don't believe in making animals suffer needlessly but I also don't agree that there is something wrong with the consumption of meat. It is a choice that we can make, but it is not one that is either "right" or "wrong." There is nothing bad or good about either choice--and no one should sit in judgment of either one.

poetcorner61 said:

As have you.



Scientically is not a word.

And no, we were not "designed" to eat meat. As I have said on multiple occasions now, we have the ABILITY to eat it and we choose whether to eat or not. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. It really isn't that difficult to understand.

It's funny because you wouldn't kill another human and eat them, would you? But your body is perfectly capable of digesting and gaining nourishment from human flesh. Would you argue that we are meant to do that? Thought not. In fact, take a look at this, maybe next time you're turkey won't seem so delicious. This is how I view it:





Really look at those images, and think about it.

If you don't care, that means you do not care about unnecessary killing of animals, let alone the suffering they go through before they are killed to provide YOUR meal.

We, as humans, have one advantage over other animals, and that is the ability to make the compassionate choice. I live my life on compassionate grounds. You obviously choose not to, and that is fine. But please, don't continually insult my intelligence with those whole "we were meant to eat meat" crap. It's simply untrue.




So what would you call it? You KNOWINGLY kill another living creature, not out of necessity, but out of CHOICE. If those poor creatures could talk, would they want to be killed? If an alien lifeforce that ate humans invaded the planet, would you want them to kill and eat you if they had the intelligent capacity to think about their actions, and had convenient other means to survive? But you don't think about things like that, do you? If you had to personally kill EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL that you eat, would you do it? I guarantee that most wouldn't.



If that was true, you wouldn't be able to say this:



So you don't believe in needless suffering of animals, but it's OK to eat meat even though you don't NEED to, and you're making animals SUFFER? Sorry, you just COMPLETELY contradicted yourself.

Militant said:

Sorry, I did not contradict myself. I do not think that my killing another animal is any different than a bear killing a salmon or a deer in order to live. Yes, I have "killed" fish and birds personally. There are more humane ways to do it than others. Just because I don't share your normative judgments equating eating meat with murder, doesn't mean that I don't care about animals or life. Just as most carnivores and omnivores do not devour their own kind, neither do I devour human beings. I have been a vegetarian and now I am not. I choose to eat meat and you do not; I respect your right to eat what you choose to eat and live how you choose to live. Why not respect that others choose not to eat how you eat or live how you live? Extremism isn't good in any form. If a person follows that train of thought then the question must be asked: If you hold all living things in such regard, then why don't you refrain from eating plants? They, too, are living beings which can suffer!

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check this out its my new favorite vid

the entire world can easily be fed on a vegetarian diet ... it is the loss of land and the growing of food for animal feed to cows pigs etc... instead of for human consumption that causes unneccessary starvation

Militant said:

his chef created the menu with his approval

on the first night as i was about to bite into my Rizotto, i looked to my right and saw Prince pop his head out of the back kitchen window to check out the vibe.....he made brief eye contact with me and i froze like a deer in the headlights