yo just sayin thanks to prince for being a bad ass vegetarian, sometimes i feel out of place with all the meat eaters of the world so its good to know there are people out there who dont cringe at the concept of peace and respect for our fellow creatures. we all know jesus was a vegetarian and tho i am not christian i do believe in many of the teachings of the bible and do believe in the basic concept of thou shall not kill and eating from the seed and the teachings that to kill an animal is the same as killing a person ... all contained in the bible ... so here is to prince for setting and intelligent and compassionate example. thanks!

TrevorAyer said:

i never knew jesus was a veggie? where'd you hear that?

http://www.youtube.com/wa...b6dWrace38

here is a nice quick ref

Nice post Trevor.

TrevorAyer said:

Jesus wasn't a vegetarian. Don't lie on God.

I haven't read the bible for a long while, but I vaguely remember some paragraphs about Jesus sharing some nice juicy tender lamb chops with his apostles. And a wine after that.
Anyway, being veggie is not a bad thing. Vegan on the other hand ... not very nutritious I'm afraid

I don't think Prince is vegetarian. I read he eats fish and chicken. I think he does not eat red meat.

pplrain said:

Isn't vegan NO animal products, whereas vegetarian just avoids red meat, or even chicken?

I can't imagine a vegan meal being that healthy. No cheese, egg, milk...I mean to try and avoid anything w/ an animal product in it is insane, and (as stated earlier) very unhealthy/non-nutritious.

Apart from not eating mear nor fish, vegans don't eat any animal products at all. So no cheese and eggs, no dairy products. I've met a couple of vegans in my life. Without exception they all looked pale, underweight and miserable.

1013Nightlife said:

They ARE miserable. There's no honor in starving for the sake of saving a pig. Jesus fed tens of thousands of people with bread and FISH, and partook with them. This whole post about Jesus and the Bible teaching vegan is insane, and a flat out lie.

In the Old Testament when the lamb was brought for sacrifice and repentance, it was often divided up and given to the poor, or redistributed to the people, by the priests in the temple. It's the birth place of the gyro! hhahaha

What about when Prince sings..."Leave your brother's and sister's in the sea." during "Animal Kingdom."

I didn't think Prince liked fish, but I really don't know.

i've met many christian vegans who simply cannot understand how any christian could read the bible and see things differently as the bible is so filled with references to the value of respecting all life including animals as u would respect your fellow humans ... regardless im not really christian enough to debate it but the link i posted above has quite a few quotes and i've personally read the genesis regarding eating from the seed planted in the ground ... furthermore there are always reinterpretations that stray from the origninal translations ... and as far as prince goes u must know his favorite cereal is captain crunch with soy milk cuz cows are for calves ... and i know for a while he would insist his band eat only vegan ... i can dig that personally altho obviously this topic irks some ... anyway its just one of those things that i really dig about prince as absurd as it seems to some i just think he is right on about it all and i'm glad there are people like prince that stand up for good ideas, peaceful intentions and respect for all of "gods" creatures

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

So much misinformation and prejudice in this thread.

I'm a vegan and I can assure you I am neither pale, underweight OR miserable!

Also, the idea that a vegan diet is not nutritious is way off the mark. Like ANY diet, get the right balance and combinations of food groups and you'll be just fine. I'm about as healthy as I can be!

I'm personally an atheist so I'm not the person to get into a discussion about veganism in relation to jesus or the bible. jesus and the bible mean about as much to me as the collective works of Dr. Seuss. That's not a diss, I'm just stating that it has no place in my life, nor do I wish it to.

My reasons for veganism are partially health based and partially moral based. I could pull out pages and pages of heavily researched documented evidence on why a vegan diet is healthier and post pages and pages of information regarding animal cruelty that would make even the most staunch meat eater think twice, but I don't post here on prince.org to judge anyone for the way they live their lifestyle.

I personally feel healthier because of my diet than I did when I ate meat. For any pro or anti argument that could be made here, that's simply my own experience. I feel that I am making the compassionate choice - to not directly contribute to the death of living creatures, as well as doing my part to end world hunger - because if all the land that was used to raise animals solely for the purpose of killing them for meat was used to grow vegetables - there would be no world hunger at all.

Again, I'm not saying these things to try and be morally superior to others, this is just my choice and feelings on the subject.

It's been a slow and progressive path for me, which I feel is the best way. I had been a vegetarian for a few years, and I guess a semi-vegan since I've never drank cows milk or ate butter. Recently, I decided to make the jump and become a full vegan, since I learned a few more things about the dairy industry, mostly to do with how they keep the cows pregnant all year round solely to increase the milk productivity, and when the cows milk productivity naturally decreases at the age of 5 or 6 years, they kill the cows, even though the average cows natural life expectancy is 20 years.

Prince is most definitely a vegetarian and possibly a vegan also.
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TrevorAyer said:

Welcome to the real world: Prince ain't Jesus, nor any authority to be speaking on Jesus being a vegan. It's propaganda, and only fools believe it.

Prince sold meat and fish in his very own 3121 restaurant in Las vegas. No vegan would do that.

ludwig said:

No, he hired a caterer/chef to serve his fans.

I'm a vegan and if I was hiring a caterer to serve food for others, I wouldn't hire a vegan one, because it wouldn't be me eating the food. Prince isn't going to dictate what other people eat, regardless of his own diet....ESPECIALLY not in Vegas.

Militant said:

Really? I'm sure that he has restricted what his band members eat in the past. Or am I imagining that one? I also recall him doing gigs where you were not allowed to smoke or drink (fruit juice was offered). Prince is an artist that places a particular emphasis on 'preaching' his views, hoping for some degree of compliance. In short....he does tell you what to eat!!!

Militant said:

dude, good thing you're on here, u just saved me a whole bunch of typing.

ollytheman said:

Having a degree of control over his employees and not allowing smoking/drinking at his shows is a WHOLE DIFFERENT thing to opening a restaurant for your fans. I would have thought that was pretty obvious.

Prince needs his bandmates healthy to perform their job properly, he doesn't want to inhale second hand smoke at his shows, and he doesn't want people getting drunk when he's performing!

His fans eating at a restaurant has no direct effect on him.

That's where you're wrong my friend. His band mates can be perfectly healthy without adopting Prince's diet (if he eats?) and my drinking habits have absolutely nothing to do with him. How does consuming a few beers affect him directly?

ludwig said:

true

and for the record, vegans are not miserable

and it was funny to see all the posts regarding his vegan status and the Jazz Cuisine menu when the restaurant first opened

and for the record .....the food was superb there!

Militant said:

He made money by selling dead meat to others. He profited from killing animals. That's something that vegans NEVER would do, because veganism isn't just a diet.

ollytheman said:

Of course they can. But one of the perks of being an employer is that your employees have to do what you tell them

As for your drinking habits, you may be able to control yourself, but as anyone that witnessed some of the drunken fools at some of the Indigo2 aftershows can attest, not everyone can control themselves. Prince even left one aftershow early because of some drunken idiots and the same happened a couple times at 3121 Vegas,

As for you ludwig, how do you know that Prince had ANYTHING to do with the restuarant other than slapping his branding on it? In all likelihood the Rio had more to do with it than he did.

And as for veganism not being just a diet, that isn't true. I follow a vegan diet and consider myself a vegan but don't necessarily follow a regulated vegan lifestyle. In fact, I know a very active vegan that speaks at rallies, WRITES for vegan websites and magazines, and is very active in the vegan community, and GUESS WHAT? she eats fish. quit being so judgmental.

If Prince self-identifies as a vegan, the food served at the 3121 restaurant doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Militant said:

Well, good for you. I was talking about my own experience with vegans. I'm sorry I haven't met any healthy looking vegans like you. That would've certainly challenged my prejudiced opinion.

I went to a premiere of a documentary about some woman living on a "raw food" diet - it's also some kind of movement http://en.wikipedia.org/w...aw_foodism - consisting only of vegetables, fruits and nuts because she got some extreme ideas about human beings not destined to eat meat and meat related products. But the bad thing was, she got her young son on that diet too. I think the kid wasn't even 5 when she enforced that crazy diet on him.
After the end of the film, during the reception, I saw the woman and her son in the foyer. Yes, she did look pale and miserable and underweight but the worst part was: the kid was 12, was severely below the average length of a kid his age and he too looked pale, underweight and miserable and had a hollow eyes look about him.
I had a strong urge to report the woman to the police/child protection services.
This is plain child abuse. You wanna be a vegan. Be my guest. But don't enforce any crazy experiments on a kid who need all the right nutrition to grow up.
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Militant said:

Oh come on, what a lousy argumentation is that ? He opened the restaurant and he even promoted it on his 3121 website. Don't you remember the interview with his chef ?

A person who eats fish can't be a vegan. You obviously don't know the definition of veganism. That would be like an anti-alcoholic who drinks wine or a christian who doesn't believe in god.

It makes him a total hypocrite.
But I really don't think that he's still a vegan. It's over a decade ago that he supported that lifestyle which I guess had a lot to do with his former wife Mayte. Butpeople change and just because he hasn't publilcy acknowledged that he's not a vegan anymore, doesn't mean that he still is.
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1013Nightlife said:

Well, since you've only met "a couple of vegans", frankly to make statement insinuating that the vegan diet is unhealthy and makes people underweight and miserable is just plain wrong.



Veganism and raw food diets are not the same thing, AT ALL. For your information, there are PLENTY of people on omnivore diets who fail to provide their children with healthy, balanced diets also. Obesity is a much bigger problem (no pun intended) than people perhaps being slightly underweight as a result of not contributing to the murder of animals through their diet.

In fact, I would certainly wage that if you were to poll the vegetarian and vegan parents of the Western world againt the omnivore parents of the world, OVERALL the vegan and vegetarian children would be far, far healthier because they actually pay attention to what they eat.

I have 10 nieces/nephews all aged between 2 to 13 years old. 5 of them are vegetarian/semi-vegan (they don't drink milk or eat butter). Those 5 are FAR healthier than the 5 that eat meat. Coincidence? No.

Animals would eat us if they were given the chance. You die all alone, your pet cat or dog will eat your face off.

ludwig said:

Yeah, actually I do. But that's his business, not his personal life.



Being a vegan myself, and active in the vegan community, I am ACUTELY aware of the "standard" definition of veganism. But if you want to challenge this person I speak of, on their veganism, be my guest. But you WILL get shot down.

It's nothing like the examples you mentioned, actually. What you are saying is like saying someone who is bisexual can not self-identify as being gay, because they also like the opposite gender.




What makes you think Mayte had anything to do with it?

And I don't think it makes him a hypocrite. He's still doing more than most and people should praised for the positive things they do and not condemned because they don't 100% fit into other people's definitions and boxes about their lifestyle.

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ludwig said:

He said that in interviews in the emancipation era.

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Militant said:

He specifically stated that he became a vegan because of Mayte?