Damn right. That's what gets on my last nerve. None of us have ever died and come back to tell it so we don't know which religion is right and which religion is wrong. And for someone to go so far as to take their ass door to door, that's telling me that they think they are right and everyone else is wrong when they don't know their damn selves no more than anyone else knows. All this "I'm telling people that God exists" and this and that and the other is just a bunch of excuses. Hell, you think we don't know that God exists? There are multiple church sermons on TV every Sunday and their are even entire religious television networks that are on 24/7 telling us that God exists. Not to mention there is a church every few blocks.

Somebody would have to be living 20 miles under the ocean to never have heard that God exists. People have a right to choose whatever religion they want and they don't need people going door to door trying to persuade people into their religion. If people want to join their religion, they will come to them on their own. But if they don't, folks need to butt out and mind their own damn business.




I don't care if Prince worships a head of lettuce. If he's crazy enough to worship a head of lettuce, far be it from me to stop him. What I don't get though, is why the Jehovah Witnesses accept him. I guarantee you, if I came up into their church not even looking half as queenish as he looks, they would have me condemned to the hottest fires of hell.

ladychel61 said:

Jehovah is the ultimate judge but isn't it part of the congregations duty to help others stay on the narrow path vs vear into beliefs and habits that are not in keeping with the witnesses beliefs? Why would elders ever disfellowship ANYONE IF YOU COULD ALL DO YOUR OWN THING AND STILL BE A WITNESS? That is why they believe in having a deffinate home congregation so that they can all support eachothers study and help eachother on the straight and narrow so to speak. If you have no elders than you have no shepherd so to speak.


I respect the fact the if you do things that, had you done them while you were studying, you would not have become Baptism. They do not believe in once saved always saved. Being disfellowshipped is not the end of the world. You can study again with a witness in good standing and become a member again. Sorry ladychel61, I know enough about it and read enough about it to know how they feel about members who weaken the congregation or simply avoid being part of one.
You can call yourself a Witness but you won't be seen by others as one if you completely do as you please and have issues with the elders telling you when you have strayed.

Prince has never taken kindly to ANYONE telling him what to do. However when you agree to be Baptized you agree to subjegate yourself to the elders to some extent.

Anybody can be a Christian, but to be a witness in good standing you do have to follow their teachings. Some witnesses never get officially disfellowshipped because they stop taking phone calls from the members of the congregation, they simply drift away.


Yes, Jehovah is the ultimate judge of your righteousness and your ultimate destiny. But the title of the thread is not How holy, or righteous is Prince, no one can know that, Instead the thread is titled "How religious is Prince".


I think it is O.K. to discuss this because he often discusses in his interviews each time a new CD comes out. Also many say that it changed his music. I don't think it did. The only exception being The Rainbow Children.

vainandy said:

I am telling you we don't know if they accept him. Just because he was excepted in 2002 doesn't mean he is accepted in 2010. If he is not a witness in good standing Bethel would NEVER announce that to the public, NEVER. I can only tell you that the Witnesses that I have met and spoke with would not think of him that way and would be weary of spending time with him. EVERY time I bring up his name, the witness I ask about him winces. They aren't comfortable with the public thinking that the way he act, dresses etc represents their beliefs.

WHY WOULD I DO THAT?...ONLY JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE...ARE YOU A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS? [/quote]Deadflow3r said:[quote]

ladychel61 said:

There six things that Jehovah does hate, yes seven are things detestable to his soul;lofty eyes, a false tongue,and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes,feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers....Maybe Prince has talked 2 the elders concerning some of his songs....this is between Prince and Jehovah

ladychel61 said:

Deadflow3r said:

PROVERBS 6:16-20

Oh, I thought Prince's religion was "Sanctimonious" all the time :p !!!!!

ladychel61 said:

Honestly ladychil61, I don't think they are judging him, they are trying to stick to the title of the Thread. Otherwise, the thread belongs in Politics and Religion.

I don't think the Jehovah's Witnesses are hypocrits. They are the least likely of any Christian religion I know of to tolerate behavior of a member of one of their congregations that they feel may weeken the congregation as a whole.

Example, Farrah Fawcett was called a devout Catholic despite the fact that she loved and lived with Ryan O'Neil for over 23 years without marrying him. She also posed for playboy twice and appeared in a video for Playboy where she painted with her body in the nude.

I doubt very highly that she would not have been disfellowshipped if she was a Jehovah's Witness but I can garentee you they would not have announced it in the press. Even if she kept telling interviewers that she was a Jehovah's Witness I honestly doubt that Bethel would release a statement contradicting her.

I don't think anyone outside of your congregation knows if you are disfellowshipped.

Truly the title of the Thread is not "has Prince been disfellowshipped" or at the least no longer in good standing and not formally disfellowshipped because he won't take calls from members of his congregation. ( Prince is notorious for not talking to people he doesn't want to).


One of the things written in the December 8th Study Guide that's used at meeting states:

Some marriage mates might discreetly hold hands, but if they embraced each other during public prayer, those who got a glimse of such conduct might be stumbled. They might Think or get the impressiion that the couple was focusing on their romantic relationship instead of reverence for Jehovah. Out of deep respect for him, let us therfore "do all things for God's glory"and avoid conduct that could distract, shock or stumble anyone. 1 Cor, 10;31, 32, 2 Cor 6;3.

Now if they think embracing during prayer can make some stumble certainly a song about a woman masturbating in the shower could, your wife or not your wife it's nothing that you talk about to other Witnesses never mind produce and release to thousands.
They there is the song where he sings about getting "so hot" only an idiot would think he wasn't talking about being sexually aroused. Next Elixer, Is there any adult naive enough to believe that he is singing about a medicinal potion and not oral sex.


Face facts, even in TRC he mentioned "wet circles around the toy, while you bring yourself to joy" wasn't that a euphemism for wet fingers around the clitoris while you bring yourself to orgasm?


Prince has never, that I know of released a album where someone wasn't touching either their genitals or somebody elses.


Is he formerly disfellowshipped I don't know.

Is he way into his religion? He is as into being a Jehovah's Witness as John Kerry is in being a Catholic!

Also can you imagine bring up teenage boys and telling them to deaden their sexual desires and stay a virgin until they marry. Then a member of their congregation releases a CD and because he is of their congregation and they wish to support his music they buy it. Next thing you know your teenagers are listening to songs about sexual arrousal, masturbation and oral sex.

Talk about distracting and a cause to stumble. Do you not think these parents would not say something to somebody!!

Deadflow3r said:

Maybe not when the words are not explicit.

Tremolina said:

Hahaha, Yes...we grew up with "explicit lyrics" too!!!!
(and turned out to be fine ).....

Deadflow3r said:

you are awesome

Tremolina said:

Honey, the words in "little Red Corvette" were not explicit either. Did you need to take Poetry 101 to figure out what a "pocket full of horses" meant"? When he talked about jockeys that were their before him, did you think he was talking about guys that ride race horses in the Kentucky Derby who are about his size? Jehovah Witness kids may try to deaden their sexual desires but it does not deaden their brain; If they are past puberty they can figure it out and that is why he did not sing LRC back in 2002.

Now here it is 2010 and in 2009 we hear about "back and forth on a rocking horse" and "better of course when the name of that stallion is me". Again our jockey sized heartthrob is not talking about a Derby here. No it's NOT explicit but Prince, at his best, doesn't need to be.

Scarlett Pussy could just have been written about a cat being chased by dogs if you ask a 7 year old.

DesireeNevermind said:

Thanks! I am trying my hardest to keep this thread on topic and out of politics and religion where it is doomed to get comments like "the Jehovah's Witness faith is a cult". Whether or not they are a cult or the only people with "the truth" is not the point of this thread.
Prince isn't paddling in the same direction they,(and he may or may not even still be on the boat).

Religion killed his music, what other proof do you need?

2freaky4church1 said:

Emancipation and Rave were both before he became a Witness and I don't see a big change in his sound IF you leave out TRC. His music since TRC seems to be going in the same direction he was already heading in back in 1996 which was before his Bible studies with Larry Graham even began.

Deadflow3r said:

He still sings Little red corvette right? Why does he only bleep the really dirty words? I am not agreeing with the hypocracy abd I am sure not a JW, but it seems that as long as he doesn't get (too) explicit he plays safe.

Deadflow3r said:

2freaky4church1 said:

If anything, his religion revitalized his music, IMO.

Before he became a J.W., he was using the most plastic, fake production he's ever used.

He becomes a Witness, and starts using live instruments again.

I don't care if it was "plastic" but I just digged his "explicit lyrics" and still do.....(and turned out to be a "good" daughter, wife, mother .....so it's possible to listen to that without becoming a criminal/hooker/junkie etc....)!!!!!

Whyyyyy? What is so important about P's religiousness? It is what it is and he is as he is. Everyone has to answer to someone sooner or later. Does the answer have to be posted or even speculated on a site titled www.Prince.org? shut up all ready

Jekylline said:

Of course it is!!!! But the religion that he CHOSE to join strongly advises their followers to avoid such entertainment. That he actually produces such entertainment, never mind listens to it, is completely out of character for a Jehovah's Witness. So my vote is still that the man is a Witness in name only and is deffinately moving in a different direction than he was in 2001-2002.

Billmenever said:

The "Important" part is that MANY people said that his religion RUINED his music. Well if he isn't really into his religion (he say's he's a member of the Jehovah's Witness faith) then can his religion be "blaimed" or "credited" with any changes we have heard in the past ten years or so?

Deadflow3r said:

no it surely can't.

It is not religion that drives Prince's music. Prince's music is driven by two things undoubtedly: sex and spirituality. Those two things are not necessarily tied to any religion. Sex and spirituality are reoccurring themes in his music regardless of his faith. Now you may want to blame the JWs for the absence of cuss words in Prince's music or the absence of certain songs (lady cabdriver, IT, Sexy MF to name a few) but that was bound to happen given that he's getting older and it wouldn't seem appropriate for a man his age to sing of such things. Or it wouldn't seem cool. That said, I don't think Prince is extremely religious by any stretch of the imagination. He is still a heathen. It's just better business to hide the heathen every now and then.

Aren't we all heathen by nature? I think Prince like the rest of us is looking for redemption. None of us are perfect at the "faith" we follow. Most of us at best are heathens riding on a prayer. Blinded by our instincts and 2 afraid to sit long enough to get the answer. Thinking that God is evil and will back hand us for asking. No Prince is not religous by man made standards. I think Prince is looking to know God and have God know him. He isn't afraid to try things and fail and he keeps getting back up. That is grace the fact that a perfect God allows us to fail and than get back up and try it all over again. It's about relationship not religion.

mayrain said:

i like reading just about all your comments mayrain.

"It's about relationship not religion." Exactly Mayrain.

mayrain said:

Religion is relationship tho'. The truly religious (are convinced they) have a relationship with God and/or their church. And it's that relationship which rules their lives. Relationship is also in the word religion, as it is derived from the latin religare, meaning to bind. The faithful seeks a relationship through his religion, with his/her god, with its particular scriptures, with its church members etc and binds him/herself to them, forming a relationship.

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angelface22 said:

Thank you, the feeling is shared.

theRight1 said:

Blushing. U know I love ya.