. [Edited 12/21/09 8:49am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:49am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:48am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:43am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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mzkqueen03 said: ...Christianity has been exclusive and sectarian...but if Jesus' concept of the Divinity of Man could be clearly understood and widely disseminated...His teachings would sweep the world and create a great Spiritual Revolution...He taught.."and you will know the TRUTH..and the TRUTH will sey you FREE." John 8:32
. ..man HUNGERS 4 freedom from want..from sickness..from oppression..and most of all...FROM HIS OWN FEARS...the religion about Jesus has failed 2 OPEN the way 2 this FREEDOM...however...in the simple but dynamic teachings of Jesus..we have a MESSAGE that is UNIVERSAL and PRACTICAL...it contains THE-KEYS 2 the Kingdom of health and prosperity and peace and freedom.. . ...the central theme of Christianity has been sin and evil...we have heard more about Hell than Heaven..more about the Devil than about GOD....and though we have been presented the picture of Jesus' MASTERY...man has always been painted as a poor miserable sinner..there has been a kind of hopelessness in Christianity's attitude 2ward man..it is as if we were taught that man is a sinner..the same yesterday,2day,and4ever....and that all we have 2 look 4-ward 2 is becoming a good sinner... . ...Jesus discovered a divine dimension in man.. ..and He proved that man CAN live in it and F-I-N-D fulfillment through it... ...more than this..He believed in a repeatable Christ 4 he said.."you must accordingly..be perfect..as your heavenly Father is perfect" Matthew 5:48 ..MZSEXYBABY'..would He have made such a statment if He had the slightest question of man's potential?' . [Edited 12/21/09 9:13am] | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:42am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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NewSystem said: Deadflow3r said: I wish other people would ask witnesses that they know what they think of Lotusflow3r. I think that they would often say that they were uncomfortable with it.
If anybody does do that please let this thread know what the witness said to you about both the album and whether they think Prince is still really into being a witness. I mean, the witnesses I asked shook their heads. I don't feel comfortable writing more of what they said but they left me with the impression, without saying anything directly, that the man was not in good standing. Instead of asking a bunch of people who are not witnesses, it would be interesting if we asked people who were. As I said before, I don't think there are as many orgers who are Witnesses on the org now as there were in the past. I am not trying to beat up on Prince!!! I just am trying to answer the question posted on the thread to begin with. The question is valid because the announcement of his religion in 2001-2002 was suppose to mark a drastic change in the direction of his lyrics. Did it change his lyrics; and for how long?? Glad to oblige. I think Lotusflow3r is a decent album. I haven't listened to it for several weeks. I'm guessing you want to know something more specific but I'm not sure what. Let me know. As for the question at the beginning of the thread I can only guess because obviously I'm not a personal friend. He seems from what I've seen to be serious about his faith. As for other witnesses like myself it's not for me to shake my head up and down or side to side, only Prince, the congregation elders and most importantly Jehovah God knows whether he has a good standing or not. Thanks for responding. I would really enjoy talking to a Witness whose a bit articulate about their faith. What I am saying is that in TRC Prince mentioned the "one plus one is three" belief that is very important to witnesses that I know. On the past albums he doesn't mention looking for a God fearing woman. That doesn't seem to be one of his most important requirements. It is extremely important to most Witnesses looking for a mate. As far as I am aware, Witnesses strongly encourage their flock to attend ONE congregation and therefor be "shepherded" by the same elders. If Prince attends meetings sporatically and attends different congregations and does not have a home base who then are his elders that would speak to him? There is also mention in Witness literature about leading other Witnesses astray by exposing them to entertainment of a violent or overtly sexual nature. "Here I Come, Dance4me and others seem like they fit this bill. I mean neither witnesses or Prince any disrespect, I just don't think he is on the same page they are any longer. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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mzkqueen03 said: ^^^^^!!!!!^^^^^
. ...we C then that the heart and core of Jesus' teachings concerned not His divinity...but THE DIVINITY OF MAN-...the principle of Divine sonship.. ..He discovered this principle in general..and the divine potential in Himself in particular...He demonstrated the Christ-Spirit in action in His own L-I-F-E...but His MINISTRY was DEVOTED 2 teaching the UNIVERSALITY of the principle..and helping people RISE from their sins 2 SELF-MASTERY...."and nothing shall be impossible unto you".....NOTHING!!!!!... . ..WE NEED 2 get this idea in2 our consciousness-...that man..made in the image and likeness of God..is no mere figure of speech...it is a practical FACT..a dynamic TRUTH...when the people sought 2 stone Jesus 4 saying that God was His Father (John 10:34)...He replied by quoting Psalm 82..."i myself have said..'you are gods..and all of you are sons of the Most High."....and He added..."the scripture CANNOT be broken"...He was saying in effect..."i am only saying of myself what you own law says of you...i don't set myself forth as an exception...but as an EXAMPLE of what the NATURE OF MAN REALLY IS."... . ....charles fillmore said it best..."WHAT JESUS DID..WE ALL CAN DO..AND IT IS FAIR 2 SAY THAT HIS IS THE NORMAL STANDARD 4 EVERY INDIVIDUAL AND THAT EVERY OTHER EXPRESSION OF L-I-F-E IS ABNORMAL..THE RESULT OF INSUFFICIENT CHRIST ELEMENTS...WE NEED NOT LOOK 4 ANOTHER IN WHOM 2 WITNESS THE CHRIST...AS DID JOHN..THE BAPTIST...BUT WE MUST LOOK 4 CHRIST IN OURSELVES PRECISELY AS THE MAN..JESUS...FOUND THE CHRIST IN HIMSELF.".. . ..Christ is NOT a person...but a PRINCIPLE...Christ is a level of particularization of God in2 man... ...the FOCAL POINT through which all the attributes of God R projected in2 livingness... . ...when Paul says..."Christ in you...your HOPE OF GLORY"...he isn't referring 2 Jesus...Jesus DISCOVERED THE CHRIST principle within Himself...but He REVEALED it as a principle that involved all humanity by revealing the NEW DIMENSION OF DIVINITY... . ..Christ in U is ur HOPE OF GLORY...4 it is that of U that is of God and is God being PROJECTED in2 VISIBILITY as U... ...Christ in U is.."THE TRUE LIGHT that gives LIGHT 2 every sort of man was about 2 come into the World." John 1:9 . ...the difference between Jesus and each of us is NOT one of inherent spiritual capacity...BUT a DIFFERENCE in the DEMONSTRATION OF IT.... . ..every man is a spiritual being.. ...every man is a innately good.. ..every man is a potential Christ... . ...but only a FEW KNOW THIS....and even fewer number succeed in EXPRESSING ANY MARKED DEGREE OF PERFECTION OF THE CHRIST INDWELLING... ..MZSEXYBABY'..what u get..is what u C..and there ain't nothing more 2 it..if u want a woman like me...IT TAKES A MAN 2 DO IT!' . [Edited 12/21/09 13:14pm] | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:42am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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. [Edited 12/21/09 8:42am] ..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind | |
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I don't think Prince is on the same page as the JW principles but that doesn't diminish his faith and at least he is in the same book. We are all a work in progress and it takes many years and sometimes generations for us to ever get it right so to speak. Prince spent a great deal of his life engaging in what some may call sin and others may call sheer human nature. Prince cannot deny his impulses, as many a man cannot. With that said, Prince is probably more spiritual than religious, more interested in learning than actually teaching, more a pragmatist than an idealist. He's a heathen who loves his bible. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I don't think Prince is on the same page as the JW principles but that doesn't diminish his faith and at least he is in the same book. We are all a work in progress and it takes many years and sometimes generations for us to ever get it right so to speak. Prince spent a great deal of his life engaging in what some may call sin and others may call sheer human nature. Prince cannot deny his impulses, as many a man cannot. With that said, Prince is probably more spiritual than religious, more interested in learning than actually teaching, more a pragmatist than an idealist. He's a heathen who loves his bible.
I disagree; I think he likes to take the lead and be the teacher. The way Kevin Smith talked about him it seemed like he was ready to be a preacher about 7 years ago. The problem is that the Jehovah Witnesses don't have preachers and no one (that I know of) becomes an elder within 2 to 3 years of being a Witness. You deffinately have to put in your time to become an elder with them. (which is as close to a teacher/preacher that you get). There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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I was thinking;
That since this is 2009 and the end of a decade that this thread was very relevant. After all Prince became a Jehovah's Witness at the start of the decade and now here it is 2009 and although he is still one (according to him) it doesn't seem like he is very "orthodox" about it. Maybe this was his Jehovah Witness decade. I wonder if in decades to come it is remembered by Prince fans that way. It will be very interesting to see where the next decade takes him and what his next release sounds like. I do not expect a release for at least a year or 2. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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Deadflow3r said: ladychel61 said: Prince is a Jehovah Witness....I wonder why when you say you are a Jehovah's Witness people love 2 see if you are going 2 do something wrong....If he was married 2 Bria and were 2 sing....I like it when she dance 4 me ....would you say that he is singing something wrong....leave Prince alone yes I would because that's not the subject most TRUE witnesses that I know would have a song about. I am not bugging Prince, just saying that I don't think he is into it anymore. Ladychil61 if you are REALLY a Jehovah's Witness then you must know some people who you admire who are long time witnesses. Ask them what they think of the lyrics on his last CD. Surely you respect their opinion??? Ask them if they think someone who sings such songs is a witness in good standing? You really love what mzkqueen03 writes. Why don't you bring a copy of this thread to them and see what they think?? It seems to me that Witnesses consult with eachother about such matters and certainly it couldn't hurt YOU!!!! WHY WOULD I DO THAT?...ONLY JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE...ARE YOU A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS? ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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ladychel61 said: Deadflow3r said: yes I would because that's not the subject most TRUE witnesses that I know would have a song about. I am not bugging Prince, just saying that I don't think he is into it anymore. Ladychil61 if you are REALLY a Jehovah's Witness then you must know some people who you admire who are long time witnesses. Ask them what they think of the lyrics on his last CD. Surely you respect their opinion??? Ask them if they think someone who sings such songs is a witness in good standing? You really love what mzkqueen03 writes. Why don't you bring a copy of this thread to them and see what they think?? It seems to me that Witnesses consult with eachother about such matters and certainly it couldn't hurt YOU!!!! WHY WOULD I DO THAT?...ONLY JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE...ARE YOU A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS? You guys spend time telling others what's wrong with them but won't even call your own brother on the carpet. Some JWs are hypocrites. | |
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Vendetta1 said: ladychel61 said: WHY WOULD I DO THAT?...ONLY JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE...ARE YOU A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS? You guys spend time telling others what's wrong with them but won't even call your own brother on the carpet. Some JWs are hypocrites. JW ARE HYPOCRITES????.. "Moreover,stop judging, and YOU will by no means be judged; and stop condemning,and YOU will by no means be condemned. Keep on releasing, and you will be released."-Luke 6:37 LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THE END JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE... ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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ladychel61 said: Vendetta1 said: You guys spend time telling others what's wrong with them but won't even call your own brother on the carpet. Some JWs are hypocrites. JW ARE HYPOCRITES????.. "Moreover,stop judging, and YOU will by no means be judged; and stop condemning,and YOU will by no means be condemned. Keep on releasing, and you will be released."-Luke 6:37 LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THE END JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE... | |
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Ok, so how could anyone possibly know this if he's not there for you to ask him, and even then, would you get a straight answer seeing as religion is a private matter?
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skoolteecher said: religion is a private matter?
Are U serious? Religious people NEVER keep their religious beliefs 2 themselves, they all feel a need 2 tell the world... I only wish it was a private matter, the world would be a much better place. | |
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comegetwild said: skoolteecher said: religion is a private matter?
Are U serious? Religious people NEVER keep their religious beliefs 2 themselves, they all feel a need 2 tell the world... I only wish it was a private matter, the world would be a much better place. Prince has become more quiet over his religious views lately but there was a time he was very vocal about it and even condescending to others who are not of the JW faith ("somebody lied about the way somebody died", passing out tracts calling other religions false, etc.). I am at the point where I am only discussing mine when asked about it. I think it should always be that way. | |
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What's up with the page after page of edits with no post? Did someone go off and lose it up in here? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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One doesn't have to be judging to observe that Prince is not religious.
While his intentions may be right, there must be a hell of a party going on in those kingdom halls if some of his behaviour is JW approved. In my opinion Prince isn't really spiritual either. Sure, he is curious and passionate and he talks a lot about God and love and such, but he acts like he values money and control above anything else. No, the religious and spiritual Prince is more like a mask he puts on as an artist, an imaginary person, in an imaginary world. It's nice, beautiful and what you may expect from an artist. But it's not the man. | |
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Vendetta1 said: ladychel61 said: JW ARE HYPOCRITES????.. "Moreover,stop judging, and YOU will by no means be judged; and stop condemning,and YOU will by no means be condemned. Keep on releasing, and you will be released."-Luke 6:37 LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE IN THE END JEHOVAH IS THE JUDGE... Who's doing the judging? Some of you are judging Prince and Jehovah's Witnesses. Our religion is the only religion that everyone seem 2 ridicule...if you only knew who is behind all of the negativity...We have a world wide brotherhood that you would never understand until you study the Bible and find those hidden treasures...Proverbs2:4...I haven't been on the site in a while ...but I realize that some people on here will never change....Prince is spending time with his family and friends Why can't you leave the man alone? Most people on the site are fans that grew up loving PRINCE...and most of the people on here is Prince age or older....It's time 2 grow up and be an example 4 our children....STOP THE HATE... ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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ladychel61 said: Vendetta1 said: Seems like some of you need to follow Luke 6:37 as well.
Who's doing the judging? Some of you are judging Prince and Jehovah's Witnesses. Our religion is the only religion that everyone seem 2 ridicule...if you only knew who is behind all of the negativity...We have a world wide brotherhood that you would never understand until you study the Bible and find those hidden treasures...Proverbs2:4...I haven't been on the site in a while ...but I realize that some people on here will never change....Prince is spending time with his family and friends Why can't you leave the man alone? Most people on the site are fans that grew up loving PRINCE...and most of the people on here is Prince age or older....It's time 2 grow up and be an example 4 our children....STOP THE HATE... I do not hate anyone. And I am quite grown thank you. You guys wish to come into people's homes and tell them what's wrong with their faith and don't want to hear what's wrong with yours back. Everyone is wrong except you all. And please don't ever assume I have not studied the bible because you don't like what I'm saying. I actually studied with Witnesses on two separate occasions. Some of you bible lovers want to tell people not to hate but then say some of the nastiest vile stuff on here to others when they challenge you. I am not going to stop expressing my opinion on Prince's faith. If he were anyone else, you guys would be criticizing him for the way he dresses, his song lyrics and his playing NYE and birthday parties. I have zero respect for the majority of JWs. | |
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comegetwild said: skoolteecher said: religion is a private matter?
Are U serious? Religious people NEVER keep their religious beliefs 2 themselves, they all feel a need 2 tell the world... I only wish it was a private matter, the world would be a much better place. Pretty generalizing, typically Sorry to disappoint you though, but I'm a religious person myself and I NEVER tried to preach my beliefs to anybody,,,,,many others I know adopt the same attitude as I. If we're gonna be fair, BOTH religious and non-religious people are guilty of condemning each other,,,,all for the sake of so-called openmindedness without EVEN attempting to view their differences with open mind, ironically | |
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Bickering...
God is only love, not all this bickering. And Prince does not need your acceptance, forgiveness or grace. | |
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Tremolina said: One doesn't have to be judging to observe that Prince is not religious.
While his intentions may be right, there must be a hell of a party going on in those kingdom halls if some of his behaviour is JW approved. In my opinion Prince isn't really spiritual either. Sure, he is curious and passionate and he talks a lot about God and love and such, but he acts like he values money and control above anything else. No, the religious and spiritual Prince is more like a mask he puts on as an artist, an imaginary person, in an imaginary world. It's nice, beautiful and what you may expect from an artist. But it's not the man. ^ This! But it is important to discuss because Christians are to test the spirits. 1 John 4 | |
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Vendetta1 said: ladychel61 said: Who's doing the judging? Some of you are judging Prince and Jehovah's Witnesses. Our religion is the only religion that everyone seem 2 ridicule...if you only knew who is behind all of the negativity...We have a world wide brotherhood that you would never understand until you study the Bible and find those hidden treasures...Proverbs2:4...I haven't been on the site in a while ...but I realize that some people on here will never change....Prince is spending time with his family and friends Why can't you leave the man alone? Most people on the site are fans that grew up loving PRINCE...and most of the people on here is Prince age or older....It's time 2 grow up and be an example 4 our children....STOP THE HATE... I do not hate anyone. And I am quite grown thank you. You guys wish to come into people's homes and tell them what's wrong with their faith and don't want to hear what's wrong with yours back. Everyone is wrong except you all. And please don't ever assume I have not studied the bible because you don't like what I'm saying. I actually studied with Witnesses on two separate occasions. Some of you bible lovers want to tell people not to hate but then say some of the nastiest vile stuff on here to others when they challenge you. I am not going to stop expressing my opinion on Prince's faith. If he were anyone else, you guys would be criticizing him for the way he dresses, his song lyrics and his playing NYE and birthday parties. I have zero respect for the majority of JWs. Could not have said it better myself, come here you..marry me!! | |
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MacDaddy said: Vendetta1 said: I'm sorry but if you do not want people to respond to your comments on here then maybe you should just say so.
I do not hate anyone. And I am quite grown thank you. You guys wish to come into people's homes and tell them what's wrong with their faith and don't want to hear what's wrong with yours back. Everyone is wrong except you all. And please don't ever assume I have not studied the bible because you don't like what I'm saying. I actually studied with Witnesses on two separate occasions. Some of you bible lovers want to tell people not to hate but then say some of the nastiest vile stuff on here to others when they challenge you. I am not going to stop expressing my opinion on Prince's faith. If he were anyone else, you guys would be criticizing him for the way he dresses, his song lyrics and his playing NYE and birthday parties. I have zero respect for the majority of JWs. Could not have said it better myself, come here you..marry me!! | |
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777Purple said: 1paradise said: Hello to all,
Hope ur day is going good. By all means not throwing darts at anyone, but maybe he has apologized to some or all of the people who have felt that he has hurt them. We don't know...now do we? Truely those things don't make it to the light know do they? Just the negative things do. Again not throwing darts. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. For me my blog , It was from love from Human To Human not a star. We have to look how we treat other people. I blog something about Prince doing things not his actions but what I throught in a whole matter.Here it is remember this is what I think.express my feeling I think their mad because Prince sometimes treats them badly. He has a little mean streak, and some of them hear rumours and Prince might read some of the blogs and get mad.( Lotusflow3r tee-shirts and the website). And his fans love him, but they can't watch his videos,so they express their feeling here at the site. Prince give a concert 32.00 or something like that.He might said something that some fans got offended, I think it was Shim, it was a lady dancing on the stage with him and he called her that.Maybe because they called his girlfriend (Bria)that. he likes to fight but with the wrong people. Personally Prince can do better,so: So I told the Man if he wouln't bash then he is ok. So I give him a preview it went on and on. I was on the fams side. But seems like they were not hearing. I like Prince personally he has never did anything to me, But where it says we can't get along. You know help each other everybody made mistake but we have a chance to correct them. Thank You. . . . . [Edited 12/2/09 8:49am] I thought the website and people buying concert tickets is he job and religion. | |
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