Deadflow3r said:

[b][i]Been knowing Him 4 many, many, many yrs. He is 1 of JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. I know!!!

DWZ said:

Charles Taze Russell
When sixteen, a discussion with a childhood friend on faults perceived in Christianity (such as perceived contradictions in creeds, and medieval traditions) led him to question his faith.

He then began to investigate other views and philosophies, including Confucianism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Hinduism, but abandoning them in short order.

In 1870, at age eighteen, he cautiously attended a presentation by the famous Adventist preacher, Jonas Wendell. Wendell focused on what Russell considered to be rational, logical matters relating to Biblical prophecy and chronology, drawing attention to the future date of 1874 as the supposed date for Christ's return.

The presentation left him with, he later related, a renewed zeal that not only was the Bible the word of God, but that all Christians had a responsibility to preach the gospel.

Sounds very similar to Prince if u ask me.

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theRight1 said:

Didnt i just say that? I dont think you understood my point on religions. We all need teachers. Choose wisely and stand firm. Knowledge and wisdom cannot be obtained through lens of your own existence. It is obtained through experience and ineraction with everyone and everything created by God in unity. Who is your teacher? The Christ or self. Choice. If u dont know truth when you hear it than how can you make wise choices? It spans the whole of life. Find solid ground and know God.

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futurebaybeemama said:

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theRight1 said:

this response makes no sense with my question.

theRight1 said:

Now i see where you are coming from. You hold a common viewpoint, i feel like now is the time for deep things of God. SEX is just that, sex but there is so much more to love than that! .....
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theRight1 said:

Ah come here I love the SONG FBM, i dont presum to think i will be LOL
Im too old and I dont think I could trust him anyway. Im in my forties and I need a 1 woman man baby.

I just want "4EVER" eternity is just one kiss away. Ill find my Prince someday.

These are interesting questions to bring up. Many of the musicians we enjoy, who claim to practice a religion, don't necessarily do that. There are many singers who I like who identify as Christian but sing about sex with unmarried partners. It's just something all of us believers should take time to think about - Are they leading listeners to Jesus or away from Him?

he mentions god alot and he's a jehovahs. i suppose you would have to be very religious to be one of those as they are dedicated to going to church and know everything to know about the meaning of everything really.

will c u on the other side
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keepingthingsnBALANCE said:

That means in 2002, which is around the same time that TRC was released. This seems to confirm my gung-ho newcomer theory. The zeal for some things (diets, marriages,religions etc) can wane for some people after the honeymoon period is over. TRC may very well have been written in Prince's "honeymoon period" so to speak.

Although there is mention of him studying with Larry as far back as 1998.

And WAIT it has to be at least 8 years ago because he got married 8 years ago to Mani in a Kingdom Hall. So it has to be well over 8 years because they wouldn't let him be baptized on December 15th 2001 and then get married in a Hall on December 31st of that same year.

keepingthingsnBALANCE said:

You don't mention whether or not you are a Witness. I KNOW that the Witnesses would not make it known to non-witnesses whether or not someone was disfellowshipped. They also say that some people just stop attending and drift away. These people do not take calls from the elders and choose not to speak with them. Witnesses are not like Catholics where you can not go on Sunday for months at a time and still be in good standing.

I wish other people would ask witnesses that they know what they think of Lotusflow3r. I think that they would often say that they were uncomfortable with it.

If anybody does do that please let this thread know what the witness said to you about both the album and whether they think Prince is still really into being a witness. I mean, the witnesses I asked shook their heads. I don't feel comfortable writing more of what they said but they left me with the impression, without saying anything directly, that the man was not in good standing.


Instead of asking a bunch of people who are not witnesses, it would be interesting if we asked people who were. As I said before, I don't think there are as many orgers who are Witnesses on the org now as there were in the past.


I am not trying to beat up on Prince!!! I just am trying to answer the question posted on the thread to begin with.

The question is valid because the announcement of his religion in 2001-2002 was suppose to mark a drastic change in the direction of his lyrics.

Did it change his lyrics; and for how long??

Deadflow3r said:

Glad to oblige. I think Lotusflow3r is a decent album. I haven't listened to it for several weeks. I'm guessing you want to know something more specific but I'm not sure what. Let me know.

As for the question at the beginning of the thread I can only guess because obviously I'm not a personal friend. He seems from what I've seen to be serious about his faith. As for other witnesses like myself it's not for me to shake my head up and down or side to side, only Prince, the congregation elders and most importantly Jehovah God knows whether he has a good standing or not.

DWZ said:

Russell was not into astrology or Egyptology; he did believe in Biblical pyramidology; nothing wrong with that.

DWZ said:

This was not written by Russell. However, I could not find any reference to this in the Watch Tower magazine of June 15, 1922, which I have searched (as a pdf document). Evidently there is some mistake regarding this, or I am unable to find it. Nevertheless, even if Rutherford or one of his followers attributed such a statement to Russell, such an attribution is in error, as can be seen by:
http://ctr.reslight.net/c.../astrology

DWZ said:

There is absolutely nothing at all in the book "The Divine Plan of the Ages" that shows Russell was what he definitely was not: a Freemason.

DWZ said:

I suppose the implication is that the cross and crown symbol and the winged sun disk symbol is supposed to be automatically imagined and assumed to be Masonic symbols, and then we are to further assume that since Russell used these symbols to represent scripture, that Russell was a member of the Freemasons, which Russell directly stated that he was not a member of?

DWZ said:

While I know of no association of the expression "Millennial Dawn' with the occult and magic movements, nevertheless, the logic being presented would have us imagine in the spirit of human imagination that such association means that one should "imagine" and "presume" that Russell was involved in the occult and magic movements.

And the Bible itself has been associated with occult and magic movements. The cross itself has been associated with the occult and magic movements. The sun in the sky above has been associated with occult and magic movements. The land and earth we walk on has been asociated with occult and magic movements. Trees have been associated with occult and magic movements. Many vegetables, fruits, and animals have been associated with occult and magic movements. According to this kind of assumptive logic presented, then, anyone who uses the Bible is involved in an occult and magic movement; anyone who uses the cross or the letter T (tau) in any word must be involved in an occult or magic movement; anyone who uses the sunshine is involved in an occult and magic movement; anyone who is a farmer is involved in the occult and magic movement; anyone who eats any fruit that can be associated with the occult of magic movements, any vegetable that can be associated with the occult of magic movements or of the flesh of any animal that has been associated with occult or magic movements, must likewise be involved with such occult and magic movements. Some of this may seem exaggerated, but it is purposely so in order to bring forth the ridiculousness of the assumption.

DWZ said:

I have been studying the works of Russell for more than forty years; I know the above is a ridiculously false statement.

DWZ said:

This contains two false statements. When Russell was buried in 1916, there was no pyramid monument in the United Rosemont Cemetery. That monument was built under the direction of Joseph Rutherford a few years after Russell died. However, that monument does not have one Mason logo at all on it; one has to use the great spirit of human imagination so as to assume and attribute any symbol on that pyramid as be related to the Freemasons organization, and then further use the great spirit of human imaginations so as to presume that this would mean that Russell was a member of an oranization of which he had directly stated that he was not a member.
http://ctr.reslight.net/c.../freemaons

Indeed, his entire life works attest that he was not a member of such an organization. It would be totally nonsensical to think that Russell spent all of his life promulugating a message that would undermine what he was allegedly supposedly supporting.

DWZ said:

Although I would not say that the Great Pyramid is the "second" witness after the Bible (I believe the second witness is creation itself), I and thousands of other Christians find absolutely nothing wrong with the Biblical study of the Great Pyramid. The facts are overwhelmingly in support of the truth that the Great Pyramid corroborates the Bible, as I am now, I have wondered that anyone would think otherwise, until I think back at when I was first presented the idea, and at first I thought to reject the idea without further investigation, and thus, I realize that very few have actually studied the facts, and often condemn before they have studied the facts, and thus without ever having studied the facts. However, in discussions with various Bible Students, I became more interested, and I set forth to study it more carefully.
http://ctr.reslight.net/c...ramidology
http://gp.reslight.net
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DWZ said:

I have seen this statement repeated, even amongst the Bible Students. However, I cannot verify this with what Russell actually wrote, and what he did write would seem to contradict the thought that Wendell spoke on chronology or 1874 that night. Russell does not say what Wendell spoke on, but considering what Russell did write concerning his views between 1870 to 1876, I find it highly likely that Wendell may have spoken on the Bible hell, the condition of the dead, or something similar. In Russell's writings, he stated that he did not accept Wendell's prophetic "dates", and that he had no interest in prophetic dates until 1876; so more than likely, if Wendell had spoken on his views concerning 1874 in 1870, Russell, then tending toward agnosticism, would have been turned off by what Wendell presented. However, if Wendell spoke on one of his greatest concerns about the Bible, that is "hell", or something related to the condition of the dead and the resurrection, then it seems more logical that Russell would have responded to that message favorably.
See:
http://ctr.reslight.net/2...ement.html
wherein Russell describes those years.

vizionheiry said:

I think that Jesus knows that people have sex without marriage. Some married people have sex without good love anymore.
We are loved by Jesus. He forgives us for what we do, however, if we can save ourselves for marriage at any point in our lives I believe that is respected in a holy way.

I got 5 bucks that says Prince won't stay a JW till his dying day. I got another 5 bucks that says he will be relieved to no longer be a JW. I have another 5 bucks that says P is moderately religious but leans closer to heathen.


Man this thread has changed. I like it I think. I might change my mind though.

will c u on the other side
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Deadflow3r said:

A year later after he was married, in a private ceremony at the Kingdom Hall in Chanhassen, Minnesota, Prince and Mani were baptised into their new faith in front of the 167-strong congregation.

JustKeepingthingsnBALANCE!!! Luv ya.

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mzkqueen03 said:

mzkqueen03
beautiful analogy

...EACH MAN BEARS WITNESS BY HIS OWN INDEPENDENT AND RESPONSIBLE CHOICE!!!!!..

So, you mean we don't need no education...we don't need no thought control y'all know the rest of this song (hope).....

I agree!!!!!

So that's why (in my humble
Opinion there is no discussion over religion needed!!!!)

What is your religion? Jehova too (guessing... remember that i'm not trying to impress you with my religion with facts.....)....

Ooooppps, seems I replied reading the middle of the topic...

I don't think Prince is a "heavy Jehova Witness" as well!!!!

In the end....all religions say...LOVE GOD (or whatever he is called in their Religion)...

DWZ said:

No, I am associated with the Bible Students movement.

DWZ said:

As far as Prince is concerned, I cannot say. However, being religious and being a Christian are two different things. One can be of any religious group, and be religious, without actually being consecrated to God. In other words, one can be consecrated to a leadership of a religion, and confuse that with being consecrated to God. Others like the security of being associated with a large group of people, and confuse the "feeling" of belonging to such a group with being a Christian. However, while recognizing these possibilities, I leave the judging of the individual up to God.

Russell, however, never had anything to do with Theosophy, and spoke against Theosophy many times.
http://ctr.reslight.net/2...earch.html

DWZ said:

Whether there really is an "Illuminati" in the sense that is being spoken of David Icke and others, I don't know. I do know that the true illumination that Russell believed in was the illumination from God's Word through the holy spirit of God; Russell's works certainly demonstrate that he was not part of an Illuminati control group as described by David Icke and others. Russell believed and taught, as revealed in the Bible, that the whole human race became part of what could be called the "reptilian blood line" (although Russell never used that terminology) because of Adam's sin, and that the only way out of that blood line was to through the blood of Jesus. -- Romans 5:12-19; Ephesians 2:1-3.

A couple of samplings from Russell's writings that relate to the tainted blood line of Adam:
http://www.agsconsulting....5/r659.htm
http://www.agsconsulting..../r5351.htm

Ronald

DesireeNevermind said:

Religious enough 2 let it KILL his music and control a lot of his actions.