EvilWhiteMale said:

There you go, you get it and seem quite willing to debate without getting offended. Say it loud and say it proud if that's how you feel about his current music. You won't hear a peep out of me.

However, if you should try to explain that opinion, watch out, because that's when people may step up and challenge your logic and reasoning, as well as help you clean up the bias that you've left dripping all over the floor.

We ALL have biases and I think it's quite healthy to be called on them from time to time.

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[This message was edited Sun Jan 12 2:34:50 PST 2003 by Brendan]

Cynthia Johnson The Man has a name and it is PRINCE!!!

Brendan said:

ahhh this post has turned all cute!

I am so Sick of African American woman Bashing African American Men cause they are Pretty Damn Great. I'm sick of them calling them Cheap,Bad Fathers, and all the bad stuff saying they want a White Man. Good and bad in White Men also. And about all the crime with young Brothers. I'm sick of it ,Really Sick of it and It's not True! I've seen good people and bad people in all colors and you can't discriminate. Not Everybody is the same. Women if you are gonna treat your man bad then why they gonna stay with you? Please...It ain't about Prince doesn't date this one or that. Please!!! Get Real Folks...Why would you Negate Prince who hired women and always had muti-racial people in his bands. He is not hiring based on color. He is after a certain Sound . You have All missed the Point with him and as Wendy Said In Purple Rain I'm So Sick Of It...I Really Am...Critics..Be Fair ! People stop seeing Color. I hate Discrimination and I Hate Racists. It makes me sick to think in today's World people haven't Progressed in their Backward Thinking. Education ,Really is the Key to end this Garbage Thinking that will just keep everybody Down in the Gutter so to speak. Rise above this . Miss Cynthia Johnson you should Resign in DISGRACE since you PICK on People especially another AFRICAN AMERICAN so Much who has did alot for Minnesota. I think People should Pelt her with TOMATOES! Yes,Cause she is Billy Jack Bitch! Prince fans get her Off of Prince's case. She never says good things. What's he need a Bitch For?

Great opinion...but I still feel its more personal than about his music, so the critics rant and rave about him being so bizarre and far gone to he needs to wear purple and play kiss over and over again and get the revolution back!

These are prince best music making years since the 86-88 period with madhouse and prince's music has always been great, of course there are songs or perhaps an album that wasn't as good in quality...but its his own personal statement and I respect that, but when a certain magazine picks each album he releases and completely over looks the packaging, artwork, quality of music and his musicianship and maturity in his image as prince...and completely goes back to 1984- thats not cool!!!

Give me a break! Vibe and Rolling Stone SUCK ASS, AND THATS MY REVIEW ON BOTH OF THOSE MAGAZINES.
Prince deserves a fair chance w/ them and why is it other artist can remake a prince song now a days and get great exposure and when prince steps in to release great music like "The One" "Greatest Romance" "Somebody's somebody" and "Come On"...its not acceptable, but yet he's so great!

LOL Oh yeah- only if he gets back into that kitty lace and purple high heels at 44.

Thats stupid...its all personal and when critics start to critique the music, then I will shut up!

NPD313 said:

BREAK..IT...DOWN! :I respect your moxie-spunk-etc.! Preach NPD Preach! Let muthafuckas know!

NPD313 said:

I really like this part

Natasha, you're a very strange chick. You keep going on and on about how discrimination upsets you, yet you say you wouldn't hang out with people who don't like Prince. Aren't you then discriminating against that person for their beliefs and opinions? You're the one who's being prejudiced.

And what the fuck is all this black man/black woman shit? If someone doesn't like a person of the same race, why is it a big deal? What, all black people are supposed to be in harmony with each other? It's human nature do dislike and to like. What difference does race make? Hey, are you also pissed when white women say bad things about white men? I doubt it.

And this: "and all the bad stuff saying they want a White Man"

And you hate racism? That's funny. Why is it bad to want a white man? (Oh sorry, since you wanna be PC, let's be fair, a European American). Love is love no matter what the race. It seems you're just an angry black woman. Relax a little.

I always believed that it's everyones God given right to hate whoever they choose. If you wanna hate, then hate. But don't try to come off as being anti discrimination when you discriminate yourself.

That's pretty Rich Evil. You are a Trip! I just do hate Racism in any way shape or form. This is what I hear from my Friends every day and I am just sharing.

That's fine. Maybe I just like Black men better what can I tell ya. They are so much more Romantic in my Experiences.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Do you call a reviewer a guy who writes that onal is not good because there not enough hits on it?

Or that his band sucks? uh?!!!

Yes most of them are assholes. There are in fact very few good journalists in the world.

Natasha, you have every right to have preferences, it's all good. My only thing with you is the fact that you got so deep on the issue of hating discrimination, but you just seem to display so much of your own in your post.

P.S. If your experiences with white men have not been romantic enough, maybe you've just been with the wrong ones. You gotta play the field babe, give the world a good reach around.

Vincent, whether you care for a particular critic or not is your issue, but it is his or her job to tell how they feel about stuff. It doesn't matter what the reason for the oninion is, it's what they feel like saying. If I was the reviewer, I'd give it a low rating too. I don't hate everything Prince does, but I think most of it is crap. That's my opinion and I have the right to it.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Thank you! Now unless they're saying something about him being gay(which is being homophobic) or being racist, I really don't see why people get so upset.

Natasha said:

Really?

lovebizzare said:

The same reason folks got upset at the lyrics in TRC..Prince can say whatever he wants just like critics opinions, right?

EvilWhiteMale said:

DEFINITELY gotta disagree with this one...lol

A critic's job--and responsibility--is NOT just to simply give their opinion...the publication which pays these critics owe it to their readers to show why they value that critic's opinion enough to both pay them for it and publish it...and in turn, the critic owes it to both the publication and the readers to give well thought-out reasons behind their opinions, so that the readers know what the thinking is behind reaching the conclusions they reached...There's a HUGE difference between saying "ONA Live is horrible because the playing is uninspired and the new tunes lack cohesion", and saying "ONA Live is horrible because there's no hits on it"...

What gets attacked 95% of the time, is the logic--or lack thereof--behind the negativity...not the negativity itself...

lovebizzare said:

lovebizzare, you know Natasha, don't you?

Natasha is going again hehe

Natasha said:

wellbeyond said:

What he said.

I wasn't referring to one particular bad review. I was referring to any review that wasn't all too positive. Even if it is well thought out and has valid points, Prince fanatics still go nuts.

bottom line on these pissant reviewers is this:

morons like the guy in VIBE,Rolling Stone who cant even get the info right on the RS.com bio,etc... cant be fucked looking past Purple Rain & 1999 .. . or teh genius that is there,so they just diss Prince 4 whatever they can . . .. RollingStone 50 Greatest Rock Meltdowns,after Purple rain they say he lost it & went loopy with the symbol,not even Xplaining the reason 4 the

it doesnt have Lets Go Crazy & PurpleRain on it,so ONALive is garbage basically they r saying,& any moron who listens 2 that set can hear that Diamonds&Pearls i not the highlight of the package . . .except idiots like the dude in VIBE who cant get past 1992 & Cream & Gett Off!

point is ppl cant b stuffed,he is an easy target cos he is a recluse at times,& is known as "the skinny muthafucka wit the high voice" .. . . . not the musical genius that he is,who should be judged on his muiscal ability & talents.

cos joshy sed so!

Yes,well Love Bizarre the white men I have known in my dating experience have left me Cold because they are Cold and Unromantic. The black men I dated well I lasted with one for over 7 years. They know how to treat a woman. These other guys just play Games and leave you feeling Upset and disheartened. Plus they are Rude and Vulgar and the black guys are all Smooth. So,that's my Preference because the white Guys were just very Nasty and Mean so why would I wanna be Bothered ? I would basically get Drunk Irish Guys coming on to me or Nasty Italians the Russians were very Forceful so why do I need Crazy-Obsessors? I don't need a guy calling 10x a day. That's a bit much. I don't wanna be bothered with that. This has nothing to do with Prince..why are we talking about me? Prince's Negators like C.J. should be amongst the Banished Ones as they miss the Point of what Prince is trying to say with his Music. She is Disgraceful to another African American and Minneasotan Son. I find her Snippy and it's a personal affront against Him who she probly Fancies. Wants to Push his Buttons and make him Talk.

As far as I'm concerned, there is a simple bottom line to all of this that has not been pointed out which is that the general "joe average" music consumer (for lack of better) cares nothing about what any music critic, no matter how literate or respected, thinks about an album or artist. I'd challenge anyone to find me an album that sold more copies after a so-called "well-informed" and "knowledgalble" critic wrote something positive about it as a direct result of the action.

You couldn't do it, and the fact that you couldn't has little to do with one's inability to accurately assess that type of scenario.

It's just that no one that I've ever met (or probably will ever meet) considers the opinion of anyone other than themselves (and occasionally their friends) before purchasing a piece of art.

It's not that people don't read reviews of music (or films). Many people, including myself, do so regularly, and I personally, have even done so before purchasing an album or seeing a film.

But it has never swayed my decision to purchase or not to purchase.

And thankfully not, for I would've missed out on some great work.

Therefore, the point regarding people who favor the work of a certain artist becoming annoyed when reading a poor review of an artist is a fairly moot one. For those who favor the artist are likely to jump to his/her defense when any poor assessment of their work is offered or implied. That's not ass-kissing; it's obsessive, perhaps, but all of us are guilty of that to one extent or another.

If a critic's opinions of Prince ever truly effected anyone, it should be Prince himself; and furthermore, if those opinions had made any profound impact on him, he probably would have quit years ago, as I can recall few artists other than he, who are as widely loved while simultaneously as heavily criticized...

...well, maybe Steely Dan...and they've released...what, 8 albums in 30 years?!

-SWANG'sdonerambliing
[This message was edited Sun Jan 12 21:46:51 PST 2003 by SWANG]

SWANG said:

I've bought a couple of cd's after reading reviews of them: one was Meshell Ndegéocello's debut Plantation Lullabies, the other was Neil Young's Freedom.

It was about a year after Meshell's album was released that I bought it, so it was a cumulative effect of an entire year of seeing great review after great review. I was skeptical because I had lost confidence in my generation of musicians. Best album of that year, if you ask me. It was a year and a half before I took the darn thing out of my car cd changer, it knocked me out so much.

When I bought Neil's album it was because at that time I owned nothing by him, yet I had always liked some of his work. It's another one I don't regret buying because of reviews. That was either in 1989 or 1990.

Two of the best albums I own.

In general I'm more of a word of mouth person (if I decide on ANYONE else's opinion beside my own), I like to hear what serious music fans think before I decide on listening to and/or just buying a cd. I distinguish the serious music fans from casual music fans, because they're more passionate about music.

Once I heard someone in line in front of me ask the clerk about a cd they had read about in a magazine. The clerk said that a lot people had been in the store asking about this cd (that I can't remember the name of right now), and said that they said they had all read this specific review before asking about it.

So...actually I partly agree with you. I don't think there is a large percentage of music buyers that base their buying habits on a critic's review, but there is a very, VERY small percentage who will take the chance to at least listening to it in a store because of a review or reviews, whereas they otherwise might not.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Why do people who arent followers of prince log on 2 this site so much?Most people who dont have anything 2 say nice about Prince should find another site,after all this is dedicated 2 Prince and his music.I find it as an insult 4 a dumb son of a bitch 2 type the words GET OFF THE PURPLE COCK,he should b poisoned...find another site asshole!!!
[This message was edited Mon Jan 13 1:33:03 PST 2003 by crs350]

I should be poisoned for having an opinion. Wow, I didn't know you wanted to have such a dictatorship here. I guess that's the type of government you'd like to have too, one where different opinions aren't welcome.

Well guess what pal, I ain't goin nowhere. And the fact that it bothers you so much will just make me stick around longer. And see, I never attack someone in the way you did unless I'm prepared to say it to their face. So next time you wanna shoot your words, bring them to me in the street, bitch.

Natasha said:

nOW, NOW nATASHA. wHAT'S WRONG WITH iTALIANS??

She just needs to get that one white guy who blows her mind. Maybe she's afraid of that.

Come on, Nat. Not all white men are that bad.

Is this an example of reverse rascism? Or is this just someone's valid preference?