nice story. happy ending. he turned out to not be a creep after all (the poster, not Prince. Prince is definitely a creep.)

errant said:

Hmmm....you didn't read the post at all did you?.....lol

murph said:

I did. Why?

errant said:

Because judging from your response it seems like the underling point went right over your head....

No disrespect of course....

murph said:

I respect that Prince is gonna do what he wants to do, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. Or him.

errant said:

That's not the point...I have a view on the man too....And I've voiced it plenty of times (the Lotusflower fiasco site; his prickish treatment of some of the fan sites, ect...) But it's all coming from the outside looking in view....

In other words, I don't know Prince....I'm just a dude that likes and at times criticizes his music...I have a view and I will say it...But I'll never get to the point where I act like what he does dramatically affects my life as if he was an abusive girlfriend or family member or boss...

It amazes me how folks get so wrapped up in the guy's every move...I think that was the point of the piece...He's the same guy he was when you folks loved his dirty drawers...lol

It's kinda like that Saturday Night Live episode with William Shatner speaking to those Trekkie fans...Some in the Org have gone beyond the call of duty....

What up to the Org....Hope everyone is well...

Okay, so let me get right to it...This place has gotten nuts....

It's like we are in some political alternate universe (the conspiracy theory fringe left and Gov. Palin, Glen Beck bitter, bully right) where there's no longer room for moderate fans.....

You are either someone who would blindly take a bullet for Prince or an obsessive fan who feels the need to consistently and negatively dissect everything Prince does as if your life depends on the man's music and actions...

People on both sides have gotten waaaaay to involved in this dude....I really wanted to write a long note to the good folks at the Org, but I'll be at it all day....lol....

The irony is I found a post from another site (Okay Player) that was posted a few months ago...The homie Old Pro breaks it down from the heart in exactly the words that hit home...I make my living on writing and I can't think of anything better that can be applied to this place....

I still dig coming to the Org...But the shock posting (The: "I Hate Prince" Posts of the worlds...) and the overly sensitive emotions on this board (a couple of fans nearly cried when I nicknamed Prince the "Midget"...real talk...lol)

Anyway, here it is....I hope some folks will learn something from this....Let's try to gain some semblance of level headed thinking...They say MJ's (RIP) fans are the nuttiest....But just from the last three months or so, Prince fans may have Mike's fans beat....

Peace...





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I think it's time some of you openly address your Prince Obsession


It's just not healthy the way some of y'all are carrying on. But I'm not here to name names... I make this post out of brotherly love. I understand, I really do. Let me tell you a little story.

Flash back to 1980. The black man with the Farrah hair is a B level star. Now I couldn't front on I Wanna Be Your Lover and Sexy Dancer but I still wasn't sold on this weird little dude with the big Speed Racer eyes and the solid gold dancer pants. Yeah he had some cuts but I just wasn't comfortable with how soft this cat looked. Dude looked like a bottom bitch if I've ever seen one. So any way, me and my boy head over to his brother's apartment Halloween night 1980.

His brother Eddie was the dude that taught me to mix and we'd go over there to make tapes all the time. So this night we promised to hand out candy in exchange for a couple hours on his system. I start flipping through his albums pulling out shit I want to tape ... Cameo Feel Me, cool.. George Duke, right on ... Bar-Kays, yep ... wait ... what in theeeee fuck is this shit? *turns to my boy and holds up Dirty Mind* He had obviously seen it before, he shakes his head and mutters "fag". I had no idea Prince even had a new album out ... I wasn't hearing anything on the radio. As pulled the inside sleeve out my boy says "that fag be talkin about fuckin his sister man" The irony of that statement was buried by the horror of what I just heard... and saw...

Prince laying on a bed with his legs up looking like he's ready to be fucked ... or even worse .. Fuck you! I looked almost hypnotically as the image .. still not believing what I was seeing..."He's singing about fuckin his sister? Are you serious"? I was pulling the record out as I said this and my eyes went right to the song... there is was "Sister" Like a driver passing a car wreck, I just had to hear this and hear it now. So I try and drop the needle on "Sister" but the way they run together I get the last 8-9 seconds of "Head" ...

In those few seconds my senses went into overload. Now keep in mind Eddie had a tight ass system. Those synths and popping bass coming out so crisp and clean through his reverb messaged my brain in a way I had never experienced before. Just like that it ends abruptly and the frantic beat of "Sister" starts. "I'm only 16 but I guess that's no excuse" what is this bullshit? ... wait dude this dude just said some shit his sister's "juice"? Ohhh hell no! *record continues to play* "Incest is everything it's said to be" *Looks over at my boy making a face like he just smelt the nastiest fart of all time* "Yeah fuck this dude" I said as I lifted the needle off the record. But for the rest of the night I couldn't help but think about those 10 seconds of "Head" I heard. I wanted to hear the rest but I couldn't play this with my boy there... Can't have him thinking I'm a "fag".

That night I knew what my mission was the next day (Saturday)... Get on my bike and make the 30 minute trip to Tower. I wake up and of course it's raining ... HARD. I don't have enough money for both the bus and the record so I have no choice ... I put the rain gear on and set off on. Thankfully it lets up a little about 10 minutes in but I'm still soaked by the time I get there. I go straight for the new release rack... it's not there. WTF?

I started thinking what if they don't carry this here. I mean dude is a homo that's talking about fuckin his Sister. Are there gay record shops I don't know about where you have to go for this? One of those dirty book stores maybe? I go to the artist section and look under Prince... For a split second I'm relieved it's there but then the second leg of my quest hits me like a ton of bricks ... how the hell am I going to take this shit up to the counter?

My heart races as I play my options through my head. I don't have enough money to buy another album to help provide cover so the only hope it to make a quick end run while no one is in line. I pace around for a good 20 minutes drying off and waiting until the window opened ... I make my move. I set the record down and avoid eye contact with the grimy rock chick behind the counter. She rings it up and I give her the money ... I'm actually shocked it went this smoothly... don't ask me what I thought would happen lol ... the closest thing I can compare this experience to was the first time I bought porn a few years later.

Any way I get the record home and go straight to my room. Head phones on (no way this can be played out loud) and away I went. The lyrics, sounds and images all created a world I wasn't sure I belonged in but was fascinated by all the same. I was really feeling this shit but it was coming with a heavy dose of shame. I was being sonically stimulated by a sister fucking "fag" in black stockings and a speedo... No way can this shit be healthy... but I couldn't stop.

What is happening to me? A few days pass and I come home from school one day to find moms in my room thumbing though my records... she's in the same stack as you know what! I immediately picture her coming across Dirty Mind, rushing over and laying hands on me to cast out the homosexual demons. "Do you have that song "One In a Million" she asks. Yes ... she's hasn't seen it yet! I make a quick move over to the stack and pick them all up... "I don't think it's in here but I have it somewhere" She turns and walks away "Thanks baby, tape it for me ok" Bullet dodged but we can't run this risk again... the album must be destroyed. I take the vinyl out and slip in into Gap III (where it remains to this day) Then out the door over to granny's house where granddad is almost certain to have a fire going on this cold November day. As luck would have it he was out back and granny was in the kitchen where she always was. I tossed the album and inner sleeve into the blaze ... there was something creepy as hell about watching the flames consume everything before Prince's face. Seeing those big ass eyes peering at me in the fire freaked me the fuck out for real. This only added to the occult feeling that was building in me in regards to P.

I remember it was right before Christmas when I heard these two girls in art class talking about Dirty Mind. It was the first time since that Halloween night I heard anyone else opening talk about it. The thing I remember most was them saying Prince was "fine"... I can't tell you how relieved this made me feel.. just the fact a girl was attracted to his new looked was enough to lessened the "gay factor" considerably. Make no mistake, I still felt something wasn't clean in his milk but it might be a little easier to "come out of the closet" and ride for some of these songs. I don't remember me or my boys ever openingly riding anything but "Head" & "Do It All Night" & "Party Up" though.

By the time Controversy rolled out my love/hate relationship with P was fully developed. He had so much potential ... why did he have to be so weird, so gay and at times ... so white? Why couldn't dude just be "normal" When the Time's first album dropped we all latched onto them as an example of what Prince should sound like... not realizing at the time the joke was on us.

1999 was when i finally gave in. The album still had it's share of "white" sounds but there was just too much there to deny this cat. So after finally winning me over what does he do... drops his whitest album to date with Purple Rain. I remember actually being pissed off people liked this shit. Like how can you dig this bullshit? It's not funky... it's not what he's "supposed" to be doing. Y'all only like it because it's Prince I argued. Yeah the B Sides are dope but the album sucks... as a matter of fact I argued it wasn't even supposed to be good. All the songs in the movie were supposed to suck up until his last set... The best song (Doves) was never performed on stage but was played music video style with him on his bike. Of course I missed the whole point that it was us that was the problem but you couldn't tell me nothing.

When ATWIAD dropped I was even convinced Prince was just fucking with people. Trying to see what he could record and still sell just because it was from Prince... dude was coughing on records for god's sake. Around this time my Prince hate was a full on blaze. I remember reading accounts of how poorly the movie UTCM was shaping up and quietly rejoicing... actually there wasn't anything quiet about it. Kiss dropped and I just knew it was a trap... the rest of the album is gonna suck I cautioned everyone. When it hit I felt vindicated.

It was shortly after this time (87) when a lot of my friends were starting to jump off the P bandwagon. The new single was "Sign O The Times" and wasn't really something the fellas wanted to jam. So I won right? Prince is exposed and falling off. But a funny thing happened for me... I had just become a father for the first time and was starting to process things differently.

I gave a lot of thought to the health and happiness of my child. One of the things I pondered was how would I feel if she turned out to be gay? Would I like someone directing the word "fag" at her? In an indirect way these question raised more questions in me as to how I processed and perceived things. I loved the songs Uptown and Dirty Mind back in 1980... so why couldn't I admit it at the time? It started to hit me and hit me hard ...

Prince was going to dress the way he wanted to dress, look the way he wanted to look and sing the shit he wanted to sing and he didn't give a fuck what we thought. My own insecurities were being attacked by this brass young cat from Minneapolis who was simply unflappable. It was now clear to me that a lot of my hate was envy... envy that this mutha fucker was going to do whatever the hell he wanted and we could take it or leave it... he simply didn't give a fuck.

The Prince we have now has changed a lot no doubt... but at his core he hasn't changed at all. He makes decisions based on what he wants to do and not what you think he should do. He's going to dress the way he wants to dress, talk the way he wants to talk and sing or NOT sing lyrics of his choosing... and if you don't like it tough shit... some of y'all just can't deal with that... but you can't seem to ignore it either. I think it's time to face up to the reasons why.
[Edited 11/7/09 19:30pm]

This is the Org in 2009....

http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/x930vt

What up to the Org....Hope everyone is well...

Okay, so let me get right to it...This place has gotten nuts....

It's like we are in some political alternate universe (the conspiracy theory fringe left and Gov. Palin, Glen Beck bitter, bully right) where there's no longer room for moderate fans.....

You are either someone who would blindly take a bullet for Prince or an obsessive fan who feels the need to consistently and negatively dissect everything Prince does as if your life depends on the man's music and actions...

People on both sides have gotten waaaaay to involved in this dude....I really wanted to write a long note to the good folks at the Org, but I'll be at it all day....lol....

The irony is I found a post from another site (Okay Player) that was posted a few months ago...The homie Old Pro breaks it down from the heart in exactly the words that hit home...I make my living on writing and I can't think of anything better that can be applied to this place....

I still dig coming to the Org...But the shock posting (The: "I Hate Prince" Posts of the worlds...) and the overly sensitive emotions on this board (a couple of fans nearly cried when I nicknamed Prince the "Midget"...real talk...lol)

Anyway, here it is....I hope some folks will learn something from this....Let's try to gain some semblance of level headed thinking...They say MJ's (RIP) fans are the nuttiest....But just from the last three months or so, Prince fans may have Mike's fans beat....

Peace...

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly - except that I would say that your genuine and necessary call for level headedness from both sides understates the weirdness of many on this site. The over involved fans who gush at anything Prince are to be expected and, realistically, are unavoidable on what is supposed to be a fan site. These posts can be treated for what they are and everyone is free to decide to agree or hold a more tempered view.

It is the otherside that concerns me more. As with the gushers, all fan sites have those who think that being unreasonably critical is being more reasonable - For these, nothing their artist does is good enough in quantity, quality or cost or that the artist is not doing exactly what that person demands they do - Frequently this is to help them retain their youth or memories by demanding the artist keep in line with this fan's image of the artist.

Then there are the others that frequent fan sites for more neferious reasons - On this site these people will attack the artist, attack the fan base, undermine any success and criticise any pro-artist opinion or opinion of the artist. Successful ones have earned the respect of moderators and others so they operate with immunity - even respect! So, as you point out topics expressing hatred of Prince abound unlocked.

It can be changed - and without restricting people from expressing legitimate opinions openly and honestly. All it takes is for us to take a look at ourselves, our postings and for the Mods to keep things in check the way they did on MJ issues recently. It may upset some long-term abusers but, seriously, this is no loss.

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly - except that I would say that your genuine and necessary call for level headedness from both sides understates the weirdness of many on this site. The over involved fans who gush at anything Prince are to be expected and, realistically, are unavoidable on what is supposed to be a fan site. These posts can be treated for what they are and everyone is free to decide to agree or hold a more tempered view.

It is the otherside that concerns me more. As with the gushers, all fan sites have those who think that being unreasonably critical is being more reasonable - For these, nothing their artist does is good enough in quantity, quality or cost or that the artist is not doing exactly what that person demands they do - Frequently this is to help them retain their youth or memories by demanding the artist keep in line with this fan's image of the artist.

Then there are the others that frequent fan sites for more neferious reasons - On this site these people will attack the artist, attack the fan base, undermine any success and criticise any pro-artist opinion or opinion of the artist. Successful ones have earned the respect of moderators and others so they operate with immunity - even respect! So, as you point out topics expressing hatred of Prince abound unlocked.

It can be changed - and without restricting people from expressing legitimate opinions openly and honestly. All it takes is for us to take a look at ourselves, our postings and for the Mods to keep things in check the way they did on MJ issues recently. It may upset some long-term abusers but, seriously, this is no loss.

I'm a little concerned with this sudden outbreak of rational thinking. This needs to be stamped out before it spreads, but I can't find a site rule that prevents it.

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly - except that I would say that your genuine and necessary call for level headedness from both sides understates the weirdness of many on this site. The over involved fans who gush at anything Prince are to be expected and, realistically, are unavoidable on what is supposed to be a fan site. These posts can be treated for what they are and everyone is free to decide to agree or hold a more tempered view.

It is the otherside that concerns me more. As with the gushers, all fan sites have those who think that being unreasonably critical is being more reasonable - For these, nothing their artist does is good enough in quantity, quality or cost or that the artist is not doing exactly what that person demands they do - Frequently this is to help them retain their youth or memories by demanding the artist keep in line with this fan's image of the artist.

Then there are the others that frequent fan sites for more neferious reasons - On this site these people will attack the artist, attack the fan base, undermine any success and criticise any pro-artist opinion or opinion of the artist. Successful ones have earned the respect of moderators and others so they operate with immunity - even respect! So, as you point out topics expressing hatred of Prince abound unlocked.

It can be changed - and without restricting people from expressing legitimate opinions openly and honestly. All it takes is for us to take a look at ourselves, our postings and for the Mods to keep things in check the way they did on MJ issues recently. It may upset some long-term abusers but, seriously, this is no loss.

This was a breath of fresh air and i agree with all of it!

Great post Murph, keep em commin'!

IanRG said:

Yeah...I feel u....My thing is I love the fact that this place has always been a free-spirited site...A place where if you wanted to say Prince wasn't doing his best work at the moment, it could be said without being flamed beyond recognition....

But as with all good things some folks have taken it to unprecedented and at times disturbing levels....And it's done all in the name of: "I don't want this site to become a mindless FAM site"....Well, you know what?...I don't either....But I also don't want this site to become a place where folks take advantage of the open minded views of this place....

I've been to a lot of artist fan sites from Radiohead to OutKast to Michael Jackson to The Roots....And for the life of me, I have never seen the level of fans going out of their way to prove that they have not been cast under the spell of their favorite artist (in this case Prince)....

People try too hard on this site.....When 90 percent of your posts are of the "Prince sucks" variety (on a Prince fan site no less....lol) then it becomes a transparent...The Org has become a shock posters' wet dream....And on the flip side it's become a place where some fans have gotten to emotionally invested in Prince to the point where there's no room for humor or irony...

Moderate fans have become an endangered species on the Org...

WetDream said:

Cool.....thanks for the kind words...

But thank my man Old Pro...He probably doesn't even know his post is being showcased in such a way....But I just believe its an accurate statement of what's been going on when it comes to the Org....

The usual suspects on both sides will for the most part be silent....They won't have anything to say because they know they are full of shit...

IanRG said:

Yeah...I feel u....My thing is I love the fact that this place has always been a free-spirited site...A place where if you wanted to say Prince wasn't doing his best work at the moment, it could be said without being flamed beyond recognition....

But as with all good things some folks have taken it to unprecedented and at times disturbing levels....And it's done all in the name of: "I don't want this site to become a mindless FAM site"....Well, you know what?...I don't either....But I also don't want this site to become a place where folks take advantage of the open minded views of this place....

I've been to a lot of artist fan sites from Radiohead to OutKast to Michael Jackson to The Roots....And for the life of me, I have never seen the level of fans going out of their way to prove that they have not been cast under the spell of their favorite artist (in this case Prince)....

People try too hard on this site.....When 90 percent of your posts are of the "Prince sucks" variety (on a Prince fan site no less....lol) then it becomes a transparent...The Org has become a shock posters' wet dream....And on the flip side it's become a place where some fans have gotten to emotionally invested in Prince to the point where there's no room for humor or irony...

Moderate fans have become an endangered species on the Org...

murph said:

Yeah, but "The Midget" wasn't very clever OR original, was it? As I believe Chronic Freeze recently picked you up on...?

How silly. Of course, moderate fans exist. They're just not invested enough to deal with the loonies on both sides, so they don't post as much.

Genesia said:

Who ever said that moderate fans don't exist?...lol....Of course they do....It's just become a rarity on the Org....

murph said:

You said they were an endangered species. I disagree.

Genesia said:

In everyday life you are correct....



On this site, it sure doesn't seem like it...

murph said:

Operative words - "seem like."

There are many, many moderate Prince fans here. They just prefer to listen to the music and live their lives - rather than post about it all the time.