vivid said: I think we can add If I Was Your Girlfriend and Condition of the Heart to the list of songs she inspired.
If you watch the Detroit birthday concert from '86 you'll see her doing back-up vocals and advanced hair-swinging. Basically, if we're talking muses, she was No.1. Not sure about either of those songs. However, wasn't it "Condition of the Heart" that Susannah thought Prince was writing about another woman, because she wasn't aware of who Clara Bow was, and Susannah got upset (not screaming or anything, but just 'concerned') w/ Prince and quizzed him about who it was he was talking about. So not sure if COTH is about Susannah fully, but perhaps she is reference in the song, because Prince compares her giggle and smile to Clara Bow's. I never felt IIWYG was a song about Susannah. But I think it's a safe assumption (and it's documented, I believe), that "Strange Relationship" is about his relationship w/ her. I could be wrong on that one. | |
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ernestsewell said: vivid said: I think we can add If I Was Your Girlfriend and Condition of the Heart to the list of songs she inspired.
If you watch the Detroit birthday concert from '86 you'll see her doing back-up vocals and advanced hair-swinging. Basically, if we're talking muses, she was No.1. Not sure about either of those songs. However, wasn't it "Condition of the Heart" that Susannah thought Prince was writing about another woman, because she wasn't aware of who Clara Bow was, and Susannah got upset (not screaming or anything, but just 'concerned') w/ Prince and quizzed him about who it was he was talking about. So not sure if COTH is about Susannah fully, but perhaps she is reference in the song, because Prince compares her giggle and smile to Clara Bow's. I never felt IIWYG was a song about Susannah. But I think it's a safe assumption (and it's documented, I believe), that "Strange Relationship" is about his relationship w/ her. I could be wrong on that one. I remember reading somewhere that the line 'How was I supposed to know that she would wear the same cologne as you and giggle the same giggle that you do' was directed at Wendy after meeting Sussanah. The above I think came from Wendy, and I think she is also on record on saying that IIWYG is Prince voicing his envy at the closeness of the twin sisters. [Edited 11/19/09 8:57am] | |
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ernestsewell said: vivid said: I think we can add If I Was Your Girlfriend and Condition of the Heart to the list of songs she inspired.
If you watch the Detroit birthday concert from '86 you'll see her doing back-up vocals and advanced hair-swinging. Basically, if we're talking muses, she was No.1. Not sure about either of those songs. However, wasn't it "Condition of the Heart" that Susannah thought Prince was writing about another woman, because she wasn't aware of who Clara Bow was, and Susannah got upset (not screaming or anything, but just 'concerned') w/ Prince and quizzed him about who it was he was talking about. So not sure if COTH is about Susannah fully, but perhaps she is reference in the song, because Prince compares her giggle and smile to Clara Bow's. I never felt IIWYG was a song about Susannah. But I think it's a safe assumption (and it's documented, I believe), that "Strange Relationship" is about his relationship w/ her. I could be wrong on that one. Yes, it is documented and the line "...for you I will dance a ballet naked." was supposedly inspired by Susannah´s interest in ballet. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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KoolEaze said: I never felt IIWYG was a song about Susannah. But I think it's a safe assumption (and it's documented, I believe), that "Strange Relationship" is about his relationship w/ her. I could be wrong on that one.
Yes, it is documented and the line "...for you I will dance a ballet naked." was supposedly inspired by Susannah´s interest in ballet.[/quote] I re-bolded how my statement was meant. | |
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vivid said: I remember reading somewhere that the line 'How was I supposed to know that she would wear the same cologne as you and giggle the same giggle that you do' was directed at Wendy after meeting Susannah.
The above I think came from Wendy, and I think she is also on record on saying that IIWYG is Prince voicing his envy at the closeness of the twin sisters That sounds familiar. That's probably what I was thinking. | |
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RodeoSchro said: Not every song Prince writes is about someone real.
true, but a lot of them are: Vanity, Susan Moonsie, Sheila E. Susannah Mayte Jill Jones | |
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ernestsewell said: porfyrivrohi said: But how come she wasn't in his band then? Or play in Purple Rain the movie?
She couldn't act, and the part was for Vanity, then eventually Apollonia. She was in his band after The Family broke up in 1985. The Revolution absorbed Susannah, Eric, Jerome, and adopted Mico Weaver, Wally Safford and Greg Brooks, into a 12 piece band during the Parade era. She's in the "Girls and Boys", and "Anotherloverholenyohead" video. Pics here: http://prince.org/msg/7/298457 She was supposed to play the part of Mary Sharon in Under the Cherry Moon, but that's when they found out she wasn't great at acting, and was replaced by Kristen Scott Thomas. She can also be heard on "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night", as well as different parts on SOTT and Parade albums. Read your liner notes. She's all over the place. Great follow up E She's also on Rock Hard In A Funky Place [Black Album] I still remember the rumor back then that Prince & Wendy were dating, not realizing that it was her twin sister. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: RodeoSchro said: Not every song Prince writes is about someone real.
true, but a lot of them are: Vanity, Susan Moonsie, Sheila E. Susannah Mayte Jill Jones More of them are not, though. | |
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nurseV said: GiGi319 said: It isn't always about looks, you know. Nothing personal just sayin' she looks like an average woman down the block and she is proof that it isn't always about looks hmmmm I think NurseV is a bit jealous?? lol just kidding Susannah is a natural beauty, the Melvoin sisters have sexy mouths, beautiful smiles, | |
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KoolEaze said: Some say it is about Susannah,others say it´s purely fictitious, like many other songs (for instance Another Lonely Christmas) but, I know I read somewhere in Uptown magazine that this song was inspired by the death of a woman´s father in Prince´s camp and not really inspired by a break up at all. Thing is, I don´t remember off the top of my head which issue of Uptown magazine covered this story.
So, all you orgers out there, does anyone know more about this song? And what´s your favorite version? I´d say his rendition during the Nude tour, especially the ones in Buenos Aires and in Tokyo, were by far the best versions ever....just Prince on the piano, no duet, no gimmicks, just a very emotional rendition that was far better, IMO, than any other version before or after. My favorite version is actually the unreleased on, that had much more instrumentation. It has a strong Purple Rain era vibe, reminds me of God the Love Theme & Alexa de Paris | |
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ernestsewell said: vivid said: I think we can add If I Was Your Girlfriend and Condition of the Heart to the list of songs she inspired.
If you watch the Detroit birthday concert from '86 you'll see her doing back-up vocals and advanced hair-swinging. Basically, if we're talking muses, she was No.1. Not sure about either of those songs. However, wasn't it "Condition of the Heart" that Susannah thought Prince was writing about another woman, because she wasn't aware of who Clara Bow was, and Susannah got upset (not screaming or anything, but just 'concerned') w/ Prince and quizzed him about who it was he was talking about. So not sure if COTH is about Susannah fully, but perhaps she is reference in the song, because Prince compares her giggle and smile to Clara Bow's. I never felt IIWYG was a song about Susannah. But I think it's a safe assumption (and it's documented, I believe), that "Strange Relationship" is about his relationship w/ her. I could be wrong on that one. I agree From what I remember, Condition of the Heart was like a lyrical screenplay of the movie Under the Cherry Moon | |
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ernestsewell said: OldFriends4Sale said: true, but a lot of them are: Vanity, Susan Moonsie, Sheila E. Susannah Mayte Jill Jones More of them are not, though. Of course, many are fictional, but to downplay the muse affect isn't realistic. Many of the songs are fictional or about someone elses relationship or a combination of the two | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: Of course, many are fictional, but to downplay the muse affect isn't realistic.
Many of the songs are fictional or about someone elses relationship or a combination of the two That last statement says that Prince's use of women in his songs isn't unique, but rather a normality in music. Of course people use their experiences as a muse for the music. Prince certainly has, but it's not a special circumstance, anymore than a generic song about fucking. In the end, every musician has a muse. It's just that we know most of Prince's. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: nurseV said: Nothing personal just sayin' she looks like an average woman down the block and she is proof that it isn't always about looks hmmmm I think NurseV is a bit jealous?? lol just kidding Susannah is a natural beauty, the Melvoin sisters have sexy mouths, beautiful smiles, Call me a hater/jealous cuz them heffas look regular to me | |
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For the ones who say Susannah: WRONG.
Prince reportedly did write this song for Jellybean Johnson, 'drummer' of The Family. Jellybeans girlfriend did just left him, prior to the sessions for the Family debut album, and the song was said to be Princes way of 'supporting him'. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: For the ones who say Susannah: WRONG.
Prince reportedly did write this song for Jellybean Johnson, 'drummer' of The Family. Jellybeans girlfriend did just left him, prior to the sessions for the Family debut album, and the song was said to be Princes way of 'supporting him'. And your source for this is.....? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Riverpoet31 said: For the ones who say Susannah: WRONG.
Prince reportedly did write this song for Jellybean Johnson, 'drummer' of The Family. Jellybeans girlfriend did just left him, prior to the sessions for the Family debut album, and the song was said to be Princes way of 'supporting him'. Okay then. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: For the ones who say Susannah: WRONG.
Prince reportedly did write this song for Jellybean Johnson, 'drummer' of The Family. Jellybeans girlfriend did just left him, prior to the sessions for the Family debut album, and the song was said to be Princes way of 'supporting him'. I hadn't heard this. Do you have a link, reference or article so that we can check this out? If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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nurseV said: I really don't see what Prince saw in her She looks like an average chick to me Now that I think about it they all looked that way except Vanity and Mayte'
U have got to be kidding. Susannah is the most gorgeous girl he has ever been with. Period!!! | |
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nurseV said: OldFriends4Sale said: hmmmm I think NurseV is a bit jealous?? lol just kidding Susannah is a natural beauty, the Melvoin sisters have sexy mouths, beautiful smiles, Call me a hater/jealous cuz them heffas look regular to me I think ure a hater. | |
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R we sure, that song was written in 1984 or early 1985, Prince and Susannah had just gotten together, apparently she lasted to the beginning of 1987. Unless they were having explosive break ups that early in the relationship.
Shes also mentioned in the songs Susannah's Pyjamas, Crystal Ball and the Ballad of Dorothy Parker, turns out Susannah told Prince who Dorothy Parker was. I think shes the subject of Strange Relationship 2. He was absolutely obsessed with her So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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I wanna live in the neighborhood where Susannah is considered plain, damn. Methinks Nurse V should check into getting Lasik. Do U Lie? | |
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LuneCerise said: I wanna live in the neighborhood where Susannah is considered plain, damn. Methinks Nurse V should check into getting Lasik.
She's still gorgeous. When she smiles or laughs, she still lights up a room. She has a constant glow about her. | |
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Huggiebear said: R we sure, that song was written in 1984 or early 1985, Prince and Susannah had just gotten together, apparently she lasted to the beginning of 1987. Unless they were having explosive break ups that early in the relationship.
Shes also mentioned in the songs Susannah's Pajamas, Crystal Ball and the Ballad of Dorothy Parker, turns out Susannah told Prince who Dorothy Parker was. I think shes the subject of Strange Relationship 2. He was absolutely obsessed with her It was written between June and the middle of July, 1984. He was dating her before that, because "The Beautiful Ones" is about her, and that was written at the end of September 1983. "Susannah's Pajamas" is an instrumental, so she's mentioned in title only. That was also written in the June/July 1984 time frame. It was originally titled "Mazarati". "Strange Relationship" dates back to June 1985, so if that's about her, it shows they were having slight problems 18 months before the potential breakup. | |
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Riverpoet31 said:
Prince reportedly did write this song for Jellybean Johnson, 'drummer' of The Family. Jellybeans girlfriend did just left him, prior to the sessions for the Family debut album, and the song was said to be Princes way of 'supporting him'
This story was about Jerome, not Jellybean. From Rock and Soul , august 1986: " I was engaged to get married to a girl i L.A", Jerome confessed. "She wanted me to quit music. She turned the troll on me. I was hurting when we broke up. i used to go to Prince with my problems, so Prince wrote Nothing Compares 2 U about the way I felt" Whether its the truth or a Prince concocted pr-story, I don't know, however Paul Peterson mentioned it in one of the recent q& a - videostreams. Susannah said she had no idea who it was about, she just sang on it, but thought the Jerome story was sweet. Other close associates such as Susan Rogers and Donn Batts, has mentioned it was about his personal assistant, Sandy, whom Prince had a close but non-romantic relationship with. It was written after her father died and she had to go away for awhile. This is discussed in depht in Uptown # 35. So who knows. I adore Susannah and the inspiration she provided for Prince. I think if one compiled all the songs about her on a cd, it would be the most passionate and beautiful collections of lovesongs ever. Whether Nothing Compares 2 U belongs on this compilation or not is an open question. I'm not so sure. Strange Relationship certainly does not, as it was originally written in 1982, before they met. Songs that are generally accepted as written for Susannah includes: Obviously Adore and Forever in My Life, both cited by Prince himself as being about her. Then theres songs such as The Beautiful Ones, Condition of the Heart (Clara Bow = Wendy), Empty Room, Go, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Crystal Ball, The Ballad of D. P., Witness 4 the Prosecution, Big Tall Wall and Wally. [Edited 11/22/09 4:58am] | |
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Virgo said: Then theres songs such as The Beautiful Ones, Condition of the Heart (Clara Bow = Wendy), Empty Room, Go, If I Was Your Girlfriend, Crystal Ball, The Ballad of D. P., Witness 4 the Prosecution, Big Tall Wall and Wally.
And "Wonderful Ass" | |
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I heard it was about Rick James | |
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I think I am going to sing this next time at Kareoke | |
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txlaw said: nurseV said: Call me a hater/jealous cuz them heffas look regular to me I think ure a hater. I just said that | |
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We all know P is gay and thissong is the best relection of that. | |
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