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Printablepplrain said: Let's get back on topic and stop derailing this thread: Thanks in advance.
Can someone explain this line: Peanut butter logic, served on a bed of lies Don't go down too easy, when you've seen your father cry I know what it means and I was hoping someone else could provide an explanation. Racism of the past (and present?) that affected those before and during civil rights movement(s). | |
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Riverpoet31 said: When i say 'its not his thing' I mean to say: i am most of the time not impressed by his lyrics about social- and political subjects (understatement...). There are other lyricists who simply write much better lyrics about these kind of subjects.
When it comes to the rest of your reaction. Things like: Do you blame Blacks for the poor whites that exist in the Appalachians, who hold the highest rate in "toothlessness?" in the entire country? Are you aware there are a large population of them on drugs, and refuse to get a job, even when it was offered to them?
Are you aware that there are many white families living in rural areas of the south and the Appalachians, that are on drugs,in jails, and have prostitutes living among them? Do you blame Blacks for white people being poor, drug dealers and in jail? I am saying: WTF are you talking about? I never 'blamed' black people for anything, as you are saying. I have never said that all blacks are pimps, ho's whatever. Thats what YOU make of it. Okay, i sometimes have a tendency to play things a bit 'sharp' and to provoke, I agree, but those are your perceptions, and not my assumptions. What I was trying to say that the way SOME black people seem to deal with their history and position irritates and annoys me, thats NOT racism. I point at a certain way of thinkng / mindframe i simply don't agree with. Its coming from a certain group of black people in this case, but i equally despise groups of white people who blame 'foreigners' for all of their problems (are they representative off all white people? I dont think so), or, lets say, fundamentalistic muslims, christians or jews who think they have all wisedom in pact, and tend to force their views unto other ones. No, no, no - you're not backtracking your way out of it that easily mate! Here's just one of your bigoted, prejudiced views; "How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something! " You're clearly not referring to "some" people, but are generalising. And that's before you dig yourself even deeper with your "from the ghetto mentality" diatribe - it shows that you have a complete lack of understanding or empathy for the disadvantaged! How is a person born in to poverty, who is prejudiced against because of colour and where they are from, who finds it impossible to get a proper education and, hence, a job, supposed to empower themselves out of that situation? And who put them in that situation? Jeez, you're so narrow-minded, you probably think that Ethiopians should stop whining about famine and just up sticks and move! You are a bigot and a racist and deserve to be exposed. ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Riverpoet31 said: When i say 'its not his thing' I mean to say: i am most of the time not impressed by his lyrics about social- and political subjects (understatement...). There are other lyricists who simply write much better lyrics about these kind of subjects.
Riverpoet, in an earlier thread, on the other forum, you wrote similar derogatory things about Michael Jackson and mentioned there were "other lyricists who were so brilliant in comparison." I asked you at the time, "please post these other lyrics so we could discuss and compare" but you were never forthcoming. I ask you again to please post those other lyrics which are so much bettter in your opinion so that we can discuss. You throw out insults to great artists but you don't back in up with any evidence of comparative or competitive lyrics which would support your case. I'm here to play fair game and I'll read and comment. Open a thread comparing "so and so's lyrics" to one of Prince's social song lyrics. PLEASE! What I was trying to say that the way SOME black people seem to deal with their history and position irritates and annoys me, thats NOT racism. I point at a certain way of thinkng / mindframe i simply don't agree with. Its coming from a certain group of black people in this case, but i equally despise groups of white people who blame 'foreigners' for all of their problems (are they representative off all white people? I dont think so), or, lets say, fundamentalistic muslims, christians or jews who think they have all wisedom in pact, and tend to force their views unto other ones. Do you know that what you're saying here is something Prince himself one said and I'm afriad I can't recall the interview/article it was in, but I read it here. He basically wanted the underprivileged to rise above their past troubles and "make it" like others have done. i THINK it made him sad/disappointed though, not annoyed or irritated. If someone recalls that interview or statement from the article please help me out there and repost, thanks. "Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life - | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I am saying: WTF are you talking about? I never 'blamed' black people for anything, as you are saying. I have never said that all blacks are pimps, ho's whatever. Thats what YOU make of it.
Okay, i sometimes have a tendency to play things a bit 'sharp' and to provoke, I agree, but those are your perceptions, and not my assumptions. What I was trying to say that the way SOME black people seem to deal with their history and position irritates and annoys me, thats NOT racism. I point at a certain way of thinkng / mindframe i simply don't agree with. Its coming from a certain group of black people in this case, but i equally despise groups of white people who blame 'foreigners' for all of their problems (are they representative off all white people? I dont think so), or, lets say, fundamentalistic muslims, christians or jews who think they have all wisedom in pact, and tend to force their views unto other ones. Riverpoet31 said: Lyricwise he is playing the annoying 'victim'-card again. How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something!
The simple fact is: white people nowadays 'owe' you nothing at all. You have the opportunity to make something out of your life. I don't feel responsible for my slavedwelling ancestors, and i sure don't feel responsible for blacks playing the victim / racism-card. Its your own life, dont blame others. Riverpoet31 said: As long as black people keep blaming white people for living in ghetto's, there will be no solution. Take care of your own life, take care of your own responsibilities to start with.
Riverpoet31 said: 'Facts' to as black people continue to get treated? Those aren't 'facts'. Thats how far too many black people keep judging themselves: as victims, it has nothing to do with 'facts'.There is nothing more annoying then folks like Tupac, NWA and the Notorious Big who keep whining (and glorifying) life in 'the ghetto': Being a drug- or weapondealer is your own choice, there is noone who forces you to be. With 'dreamer' Prince falls into the same trap as the likes of Tupac, blaming others for your own 'misery', when you have the choice and freedom to look at your life from a different perspective, and make the most of it.
Riverpoet31 said: The problem is that black people always keep blaming white people for their own misery. You even get black people making excuses for ghetto-behaviour, for pimps, for drugdealing, for whoring, just because they are SO neglected. Take your own responsibility, and dont automatically lay the blame unto others, it will help you forward
The above remarks came from you, and you made some offensive, generalized statements regarding Blacks, and how you "don't owe them anything" as if they asked you for a handout. You basically degraded Blacks by stating they have an opportunity to make something of their lives" as though African-Americans are all sitting around on welfare, and don't work or live decent lives or never made any achievements/accomplishments or contributions to this society. That's BS and you know it. I found your comments very offensive and stereotypical. This is not the first time you have made comments like this about Blacks in this country, and I don't understand why you felt the need to do so. Others responded to your remarks and let you know they were offended by them. You also admit that you tend to "provoke", so if that was your intention, then you got the responses you were intentionally looking for. Anyway, as far as the lyrics, in "Dreamer" , the lyrics pretty much speak for itself and there is no "victimology" involved, just because he raises awareness to a social ill that still exists, which does not mean that social ill is limited to Blacks in this country. As Americans, we've already seen religious prejudices as well against specific groups. [Edited 11/21/09 16:38pm] | |
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TyphoonTip said: Derivative. Uninspired. Embarrassingly bad lyric.
Prince's impression of Ben Harper covering Hendrix. One of the low points on an otherwise good album. WOW!!! I feel absolutely the opposite. A complete 180. I think most of the songs on Lotusflow3r are half-hearted and Prince was capable of writing lyrics like Dance4Me and Love like jazz, IMO, when he was 13. Whether or not you believe in chem trails or peanut butter logic, you have to admit he does and i think this song is completely representative of where he is at. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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No, no, no - you're not backtracking your way out of it that easily mate! Here's just one of your bigoted, prejudiced views; "How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something! " You're clearly not referring to "some" people, but are generalising. And that's before you dig yourself even deeper with your "from the ghetto mentality" diatribe - it shows that you have a complete lack of understanding or empathy for the disadvantaged! How is a person born in to poverty, who is prejudiced against because of colour and where they are from, who finds it impossible to get a proper education and, hence, a job, supposed to empower themselves out of that situation? And who put them in that situation? Jeez, you're so narrow-minded, you probably think that Ethiopians should stop whining about famine and just up sticks and move! You are a bigot and a racist and deserve to be exposed As I said, i play it sharp when people start to talk crap and act like hypocrites. Your words 'And who put them in that situation?' is an example of that kind of crap. You accuse me of discriminating 'all' black folks, and at the same time you seem keep to the 'white majority' responsible for all problems within the black society. Thats utter bullshit. Its not your 'blackness' I am going against, its the arguments / mindframe you use to defend yourself and a group of people. I see them as counter-productive. You sometimes have to use a provocative way of reacting to break through 'stalled views'. One thing I can't stand at all is people abusing the 'racism' card, just because you don't agree with them. For your information: - I worked as a volunteer at an anti-discrimination office for 2 years. - I know about disadvantage: I am rheumatic since age 18, and diagnosed with Asperger (a form of autism) 3 years ago. - Your remark about Ethiopians is totally nonsense. Its an example of you 'filling my mind' when you don't know shit. | |
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Hey as a BLACK MAN I am the first one 2 say GET OVER it!Stop blaming the Past.45 years ago is over the time is NOW!I think Prince would agree.Obama is in charge let she if HE does what He thinks He can do.So far he has not.Belive me I think we all HOPE he does!Black white green I do care just stop thinking about the PAST! | |
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Riverpoet31 said: No, no, no - you're not backtracking your way out of it that easily mate! Here's just one of your bigoted, prejudiced views; "How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something! " You're clearly not referring to "some" people, but are generalising. And that's before you dig yourself even deeper with your "from the ghetto mentality" diatribe - it shows that you have a complete lack of understanding or empathy for the disadvantaged! How is a person born in to poverty, who is prejudiced against because of colour and where they are from, who finds it impossible to get a proper education and, hence, a job, supposed to empower themselves out of that situation? And who put them in that situation? Jeez, you're so narrow-minded, you probably think that Ethiopians should stop whining about famine and just up sticks and move! You are a bigot and a racist and deserve to be exposed As I said, i play it sharp when people start to talk crap and act like hypocrites. Your words 'And who put them in that situation?' is an example of that kind of crap. You accuse me of discriminating 'all' black folks, and at the same time you seem keep to the 'white majority' responsible for all problems within the black society. Thats utter bullshit. Its not your 'blackness' I am going against, its the arguments / mindframe you use to defend yourself and a group of people. I see them as counter-productive. You sometimes have to use a provocative way of reacting to break through 'stalled views'. One thing I can't stand at all is people abusing the 'racism' card, just because you don't agree with them. For your information: - I worked as a volunteer at an anti-discrimination office for 2 years. - I know about disadvantage: I am rheumatic since age 18, and diagnosed with Asperger (a form of autism) 3 years ago. - Your remark about Ethiopians is totally nonsense. Its an example of you 'filling my mind' when you don't know shit. You're not making any sense River, nor are you willing to accept any wrongs that did take place in America, done by whites in the past, yet it is okay for you to scream foul if a Black person acknowledges some of America's wrongs of the past or present, that discriminated against their people or those who have fell by the wayside. I got news for you, despite it all, Blacks survived. We have been making strides even during the most racist times in America. That is something you seem to be "sleeping" on, and I think that is what annoys you the most. You can't get over that many Blacks can discuss the topic of race in America with ease and comfort, and at the same time, still manage to jump over every hurdle and obstacle that has been thrown in their path. Maybe that is why some of us can talk about some of America's racial problems with ease becasue many of us already have the "strength" instilled in us to look racial prejudice in its ugly face. That's not playing "victim" dude, that's winning a challenge that will never beat us, no matter how hard it tries. Take note of that, you may learn a lot from it. . | |
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Riverpoet31 said: No, no, no - you're not backtracking your way out of it that easily mate! Here's just one of your bigoted, prejudiced views; "How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something! " You're clearly not referring to "some" people, but are generalising. And that's before you dig yourself even deeper with your "from the ghetto mentality" diatribe - it shows that you have a complete lack of understanding or empathy for the disadvantaged! How is a person born in to poverty, who is prejudiced against because of colour and where they are from, who finds it impossible to get a proper education and, hence, a job, supposed to empower themselves out of that situation? And who put them in that situation? Jeez, you're so narrow-minded, you probably think that Ethiopians should stop whining about famine and just up sticks and move! You are a bigot and a racist and deserve to be exposed As I said, i play it sharp when people start to talk crap and act like hypocrites. Your words 'And who put them in that situation?' is an example of that kind of crap. You accuse me of discriminating 'all' black folks, and at the same time you seem keep to the 'white majority' responsible for all problems within the black society. Thats utter bullshit. Its not your 'blackness' I am going against, its the arguments / mindframe you use to defend yourself and a group of people. I see them as counter-productive. You sometimes have to use a provocative way of reacting to break through 'stalled views'. One thing I can't stand at all is people abusing the 'racism' card, just because you don't agree with them. For your information: - I worked as a volunteer at an anti-discrimination office for 2 years. - I know about disadvantage: I am rheumatic since age 18, and diagnosed with Asperger (a form of autism) 3 years ago. - Your remark about Ethiopians is totally nonsense. Its an example of you 'filling my mind' when you don't know shit. Hehehe - its ok.....I can sense your fear. You have alluded a few times to people "filling" your mind, you're clearly afraid people can force their views on you - they can't, unless you open yourself to it. Anyway, 2eiljah has effectively dealt with your still ignorant post, so there's not much to add. Oh, except for, if you were referring to "my blackness" and "defending myself" to me personally (and it certainly seems you are), do you want to take another look at my avatar?! 
Your little list at the end is laughable and irrelevant - but you left one off....you forgot to say "My best friend is black!" [Edited 11/20/09 11:57am] ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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DMSRCMC12 said: Hey as a BLACK MAN I am the first one 2 say GET OVER it!Stop blaming the Past.45 years ago is over the time is NOW!I think Prince would agree.Obama is in charge let she if HE does what He thinks He can do.So far he has not.Belive me I think we all HOPE he does!Black white green I do care just stop thinking about the PAST!
What the hell are you talking about? President Obama is NOT a saviour, cure, or some "magic negro," (as someone from the media referred to him), for the racial issues that still infects America like a disease. It is the responsibility of every individual to make the "effort" and take personal responsibility to educate themselves on the many groups of races/ethnic/religious group, that share the same space on this planet with them. Why would they sit around waiting for a miracle to happen, when the answer to fixing the problem starts with the individual? No race on this earth is above or beyond one another, but you have some that think they are, and don't respect the cultures or existence of specific groups, due to racial hatred, because that is what they were taught for years, and passed that BS down to generations of their descendants. Now if those past, false racist beliefs and actions, didn't reside in the minds of present day individuals, especially in America, none of us would be having any of these discussions nor would the topic have any concern or value. You could go ahead and keep your head in the clouds, thinking if you sing "kumbaya" it will wash racist attitudes away. In the meantime, I prefer to stay awake and do my best to educate others about my race/culture and let everyone know how those from my group, have every human right to be respected and accepted, and have their space on this earth, just like every other race/ethnic group that exists. At the same time. I take "personal responsibility" to educate myself about other races/ethnic and religious groups, rather than accept false, and stereotypical assumptions about them. It is apparent that some of the lyrics in "Dreamer" has certainly nudged some folks from a deep sleep. [Edited 11/20/09 18:21pm] | |
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2elijah said: DMSRCMC12 said: Hey as a BLACK MAN I am the first one 2 say GET OVER it!Stop blaming the Past.45 years ago is over the time is NOW!I think Prince would agree.Obama is in charge let she if HE does what He thinks He can do.So far he has not.Belive me I think we all HOPE he does!Black white green I do care just stop thinking about the PAST!
What the hell are you talking about? President Obama is not a saviour. It is the responsibility of every individual to make the "effort" and take personal responsibility to educate themselves on the many groups of races/ethnic/religious group, that share the same space on this planet with them. No race on this earth is above or beyond one another, but you have some that think they are, and don't respect the cultures or existence of specific groups, due to racial hatred, because that is what they were taught for years, and passed that BS down to generations of their descendants. Now if those past, false racist beliefs and actions, didn't reside in the minds of present day individuals, especially in America, none of us would be having any of these discussions nor would the topic have any concern or value. You could go ahead and keep your head in the clouds, thinking if you sing "kumbaya" it will wash racist attitudes away. In the meantime, I prefer to stay awake and do my best to educate others about my race/culture and let everyone know how those from my group, have every human right to be respected and accepted, as other groups, and have their space on this earth, just like every other race/ethnic group that exists. At the same time. I take "personal responsibility" to educate myself about other races/ethnic and religious groups, rather than accept false, and stereotypical assumptions about them. It is apparent that some of the lyrics in "Dreamer" has certainly nudge some folks from a deep sleep. [Edited 11/20/09 12:04pm]  Respect! .....and you can call me a dreamer too.... ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: 2elijah said: What the hell are you talking about? President Obama is not a saviour. It is the responsibility of every individual to make the "effort" and take personal responsibility to educate themselves on the many groups of races/ethnic/religious group, that share the same space on this planet with them. No race on this earth is above or beyond one another, but you have some that think they are, and don't respect the cultures or existence of specific groups, due to racial hatred, because that is what they were taught for years, and passed that BS down to generations of their descendants. Now if those past, false racist beliefs and actions, didn't reside in the minds of present day individuals, especially in America, none of us would be having any of these discussions nor would the topic have any concern or value. You could go ahead and keep your head in the clouds, thinking if you sing "kumbaya" it will wash racist attitudes away. In the meantime, I prefer to stay awake and do my best to educate others about my race/culture and let everyone know how those from my group, have every human right to be respected and accepted, as other groups, and have their space on this earth, just like every other race/ethnic group that exists. At the same time. I take "personal responsibility" to educate myself about other races/ethnic and religious groups, rather than accept false, and stereotypical assumptions about them. It is apparent that some of the lyrics in "Dreamer" has certainly nudge some folks from a deep sleep. [Edited 11/20/09 12:04pm] Respect! .....and you can call me a dreamer too.... 
You know, I wonder if Prince even knows how powerful the lyrics to this song really is? Just think, how a few words can move the mind and make one think and make others uncomfortable, forcing them to face a "social issue" they rather keep under the rug. That song certainly has fans discussing it. [Edited 11/20/09 12:13pm] | |
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Mindflux said: Man, there is so much ignorance in this thread its frightening!
White people accusing black people of keeping themselves under oppression!!!!! Racism now doesn't exist just because a black man is president!!!!! Prince can't sing about certain issues just because he is successful!!!! Thank god for the few sane people here who manage to put rational and considered thoughts together backed up by facts, instead of ill-informed diatribes based on fear and ignorance! I think there is too much generalizing going on now I never said 'Prince can't sing about certain issues because he is successful' I made a comment based on his status vs the common man. And even though rich black descendant people may be sheltered from things poor blacks aren't, they do or may experience racism or bigotry. But every persons experiences are different. Everyone of african ancestry in america isn't experiencing racism on the same level. Some probably have experienced any. I can't say when the last time I knowingly experienced racism since (1987) prejudices is something different. And I've probably experience that from just as many blacks as whites. Again, I didn't say he can't sing about because of his success. He's sung about various social and racial ills in the 80's alone so that isn't intelligent to say he can't. He's expressed in in songs thru Sheila E., Jerk Out, America(ATWIAD album songs) and many others | |
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got news for you, despite it all, Blacks survived. We have been making strides even during the most racist times in America. That is something you seem to be "sleeping" on, and I think that is what annoys you the most. You can't get over that many Blacks can discuss the topic of race in America with ease and comfort, and at the same time, still manage to jump over every hurdle and obstacle that has been thrown in their path.
You are wrong. What annoys me the most is that a group within the black commmunity keeps using the racism / discrimination card as an excuse. Don't get me wrong, it might be a 'reason', but its not always an 'excuse' for your situation: when i hear black people living in ghetto's say 'we HAVE to' deal drugs / become a pimp / get criminal because the white people don't want us to work / get together with them, you are talking shit. They don't want to work with you / get together with you, because you prefer to be a drugdealer / pimp / criminal....duh Human are human....and as you have white pricks, you also have black pricks who take advantage and act opportunistic. The sad and pathetic thing is: you have professors and lecturers who support that group by saying: they are discriminated upon, and have less opportunities, so its 'logical' they move into crime and their own businesses. The Crux is: it simply isnt logical, its opportunistic: its probably easy to blame the rest of society (Gangsta rap: those whities dont want me...they discriminate me..... so I have my excuse for getting criminal), it takes a bit more selfrespect to stop blaming others, and take responsibility of your own life. Whether you are black, white, red or yellow. To conclude: people who keep abusing the racism / discrimination-card in life, walk away from their own responsibilities. They keep blaming others for their own misery, instead of making something out of their life, based on their own strengths and idea's, | |
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You are wrong. What annoys me the most is that a group within the black commmunity keeps using the racism / discrimination card as an excuse.
Don't get me wrong, it might be a 'reason', but its not always an 'excuse' for your situation: when i hear black people living in ghetto's say 'we HAVE to' deal drugs / become a pimp / get criminal because the white people don't want us to work / get together with them, you are talking shit. They don't want to work with you / get together with you, because you prefer to be a drugdealer / pimp / criminal....duh Human are human....and as you have white pricks, you also have black pricks who take advantage and act opportunistic. The sad and pathetic thing is: you have professors and lecturers who support that group by saying: they are discriminated upon, and have less opportunities, so its 'logical' they move into crime and their own businesses. The Crux is: it simply isnt logical, its opportunistic: its probably easy to blame the rest of society (Gangsta rap: those whities dont want me...they discriminate me..... so I have my excuse for getting criminal), it takes a bit more selfrespect to stop blaming others, and take responsibility of your own life. Whether you are black, white, red or yellow. To conclude: people who keep abusing the racism / discrimination-card in life, walk away from their own responsibilities. They keep blaming others for their own misery, instead of making something out of their life, based on their own strengths and idea's, No dude, you're wrong.
If I was ignorant I would fall for your sad BS. The real problem is that you are afraid of anyone pointing out America's embarassing past of slavery/post-slavery and the destruction it caused to many people, not just Blacks. You don't want to believe that America continues to embrace racist attitudes from the past, that were taught to those who then go out and act on it. You talk about Blacks needing to "get over it". Well, I'll tell you what..."Get over this". Stop using a certain segment of the Black population as your ammunition, for your pathetic excuse and comfort blanket for your ego, to deny the crimes committed by those in the past who condoned it, just because you cannot accept the truth about America's past, and continued practices and attitudes of racism. Face up to it dude. Your continued degradation about black people will never erase the genocidal acts embedded in this country's history. Those crimes happened. They were real, and it happened to human beings. No ocean or river will ever wash away the blood, lives lost or sins of out of America's soil. because the crimes are so deep-rooted bro'. If Oak trees could talk, you'd get a real education about the events that took place. Now you can rant on with your BS and stereotypical, false assumptions about Black people in America, but your rants will never erase the truth that racism still exists in this country. It seems the lyrics in "Dreamer" really ruffled some of your feathers. Peace!  [Edited 11/20/09 13:49pm] | |
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Riverpoet31 said: got news for you, despite it all, Blacks survived. We have been making strides even during the most racist times in America. That is something you seem to be "sleeping" on, and I think that is what annoys you the most. You can't get over that many Blacks can discuss the topic of race in America with ease and comfort, and at the same time, still manage to jump over every hurdle and obstacle that has been thrown in their path.
You are wrong. What annoys me the most is that a group within the black commmunity keeps using the racism / discrimination card as an excuse. Don't get me wrong, it might be a 'reason', but its not always an 'excuse' for your situation: when i hear black people living in ghetto's say 'we HAVE to' deal drugs / become a pimp / get criminal because the white people don't want us to work / get together with them, you are talking shit. They don't want to work with you / get together with you, because you prefer to be a drugdealer / pimp / criminal....duh Human are human....and as you have white pricks, you also have black pricks who take advantage and act opportunistic. The sad and pathetic thing is: you have professors and lecturers who support that group by saying: they are discriminated upon, and have less opportunities, so its 'logical' they move into crime and their own businesses. The Crux is: it simply isnt logical, its opportunistic: its probably easy to blame the rest of society (Gangsta rap: those whities dont want me...they discriminate me..... so I have my excuse for getting criminal), it takes a bit more selfrespect to stop blaming others, and take responsibility of your own life. Whether you are black, white, red or yellow. To conclude: people who keep abusing the racism / discrimination-card in life, walk away from their own responsibilities. They keep blaming others for their own misery, instead of making something out of their life, based on their own strengths and idea's, You are a fool and the people who think like you are fools as well. It's funny when I hear bullshit like Blacks are criminal and that if you work like Whites you will succeed and if someone is poor it's "their" fault and my favorite "There is no such thing as racism and the Holocaust did not really happen." |
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2elijah said: It seems the lyrics in "Dreamer" really ruffled some of your feathers. Just like The Moors in Spain and Avalanche | |
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LOVE THE GUITAR, LOVE THE LYRICS.. ESPECIALLY THE BEGINNING - HE DIDN'T RELIZE HE WAS BLACK UNTIL DR. KING WAS LAYING ON THE BALCONY IN A BLOODY POOL!!?? TOUCHES MY HEART AS WELL P!! ALTHOUGH THERE R MANY THINGS WHICH DO, THIS 1 STANDS OUT SINCE IT IS THIS PARTICULAR SONG LYRICS WE'RE SPEAKING OF. THIS MAN IS SUPER TALENTED AND HAS SHOWN SO MUCH LOVE 2 US ALL WHO LOVE AND CHERISH REAL MUSIC. ALWAYS A PLEASURE 2 SPEAK ON 1 OF HIS SONGS, ALWAYS A PLEASURE.
I ALSO ENJOYED, DICK GREGORY-STATE OF BLACK UNION - JUST WATCH IT IF U ALL HAVEN'T!! LOVE | |
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Your continued degradation about black people will never erase the genocidal acts embedded in this country's history. Those crimes happened. They were real, and it happened to human beings. No ocean or river will ever wash away the blood, lives lost or sins of out of America's soil. because the crimes are so deep-rooted bro'. If Oak trees could talk, you'd get a real education about the events that took place.
Hallelujah (or.. Hundelesiliah, if you like) I am not degrading black people here, you are. You keep putting on and defending some bombastic drama-scene that has nothing to do with reality. What crimes are so deep-rooted? are you still mad at all white people nowadays because 'they threated your ancestors so wrong'? I could easily play the racism card, which one? Black person accusing white people of all of his or her problems, but I wont: Its plain ridicolous. Get a life, please. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Your continued degradation about black people will never erase the genocidal acts embedded in this country's history. Those crimes happened. They were real, and it happened to human beings. No ocean or river will ever wash away the blood, lives lost or sins of out of America's soil. because the crimes are so deep-rooted bro'. If Oak trees could talk, you'd get a real education about the events that took place.
Hallelujah (or.. Hundelesiliah, if you like) I am not degrading black people here, you are. You keep putting on and defending some bombastic drama-scene that has nothing to do with reality. What crimes are so deep-rooted? are you still mad at all white people nowadays because 'they threated your ancestors so wrong'? I could easily play the racism card, which one? Black person accusing white people of all of his or her problems, but I wont: Its plain ridicolous. Get a life, please. You do the same. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
U 'gon make me shake my doo loose! http://www.twitter.com/nivlekbrad | |
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I have one, i dont blame other races for my problems.
I try to focus on my own strenghts and possibilities | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I have one, i dont blame other races for my problems.
I try to focus on my own strenghts and possibilities "Goodie 4 u". **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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what a wonderful song man..
guitar work matches the message i love how he CLEVERLY intertwines sprituality all throughout this album makes it worth all the more
some of ya'll better wake up "Not to sound cosmic, but I've made plans for the next 3,000 years," he says. "Before, it was only three days at a time." | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Your continued degradation about black people will never erase the genocidal acts embedded in this country's history. Those crimes happened. They were real, and it happened to human beings. No ocean or river will ever wash away the blood, lives lost or sins of out of America's soil. because the crimes are so deep-rooted bro'. If Oak trees could talk, you'd get a real education about the events that took place.
Hallelujah (or.. Hundelesiliah, if you like) I am not degrading black people here, you are. You keep putting on and defending some bombastic drama-scene that has nothing to do with reality. What crimes are so deep-rooted? are you still mad at all white people nowadays because 'they threated your ancestors so wrong'? I could easily play the racism card, which one? Black person accusing white people of all of his or her problems, but I wont: Its plain ridicolous. Get a life, please. Good try. Playing the denial card, and pretending to have a "bout of amnesia" about the crimes of the past is easy for you isn't it? You need to appreciate, respect and remember the many who plowed the soil of this land, so those in the past were able to have fruit on their tables. Not to mention, how wealthy many became off the blood, sweat and tears of those individuals who were enslaved, and helped to build the foundation of America, so future generations, including yourself, could enjoy the spoils of this land, despite the hardships and hatred the enslaved had to face while building it.
Secondly, why would I be angry at present day white people? I am not responsible for what their ancestors did to mine nor are present day whites, responsible for what happened to my ancestors in the past. But, when present-day individuals, are raised to believe and practice those racist beliefs and actions of the past, and "act upon it", by promoting, false, stereotypical, racist assumptions about "all" Blacks, then that's what I have a problem with, because I'm not going to stand for it.
I also have no hatred towards those that took part in America's past crimes, because I'm sure their Karma caught up with them eventually, and in the end, they had to answer to a higher judge. You're afraid of successful, strong and intelligent Blacks, which is why you continuously use a "certain" segment of the Black population, to define and degrade all of them, and put them in one pot, while turning a blind eye to the the facts and truth that there are Black Americans from various economic/social/political/religious/cultural and educational backgrounds. You're afraid of facing the truth about America's racist history and present day racism, because you're scared of the reality of it. It terrifies you, so you prefer to blame Black people for the guilt and shame you impose on yourself. That's the reality that you run from. I sleep well at night, because at least I don't fear any truth about this country's history or present day wrongs, nor am I afraid to stand up to those wrongs. Let's face it, the lyrics to "Dreamer" made you freak when you read it. It ruffles the feathers in your pillow and keeps you awake at night. It made you "think" about an "uncomfortable truth" you don't want to hear about. So accusing the artist (Prince), who wrote the lyrics to "Dreamer", of "playing victim" or "playing the race card", is an easy way out for you, rather than accepting the truth that racism is still a part of the many societal ills Americans are fighting against. Oh, by the way... my life is "wonderful"...smooches. [Edited 11/20/09 18:13pm] | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I have one, i dont blame other races for my problems.
I try to focus on my own strenghts and possibilities I give a couple of shout outs to my parents who while Black Power was high, they taught us we were American, and that with wisdom, we could go anywhere and do anything anyone else did. They taught us to do your best, not that we had to do more to prove ourself because of our black part. We grew up multiracial and race was not a hinderance or seen as something that was restrictive. My dad's military experience helped influence that as well. Now Meschell Dead Nigga Blvd blows Dreamer out of the water Dead Nigga Blvd -Meschell Ndegeochello You sell your soul Like you sell a piece of ass Slave to the dead white leaders on paper And welfare cases Rapists and hoes All reinforced your tv show Exotic and beautiful videos Yeah A jail's a sanctuary for the walking dead It fucks with your head When every black leader ends up dead Somebody said Our greatest destiny is to become white But white is not pure And hate is not pride And just cuz civil rights is law Doesn't mean that we all abide So tell me are you free? While we campaign for every Dead nigga blvd So young motherfuckers can Drive down it in your fancy cars Free You try to hold on to some africa of the past One must remember It's other africans That helped enslave your ass Cuz everybody's Just trying to make that dollar Remember what jesse used to say? I am somebody No longer do I blame others For the way that we be Cuz niggas need to redefine What it means to be free I can't even tell my brothers and sisters That they're fine This absence of beauty In their heart and mind Stopped breastfeeding the child You put 'em on the cow And now you wonder why they act wild You see brown folks are the Keepers of the earth Unifiers of the soul and mind Not these wannabe-gotti pimps and thugs Wearing diamond watches From african slave mines Perhaps to be free Is to all love those who hate me And die a beautiful death And make pretty brown babies You campaign for every Dead nigga blvd So y'all young motherfuckers can Drive down it in their fancy cars You try to hold on to some africa of the past Then one must remember It's other africans That helped enslave your ass Everybody's trying to make that dollar Remember what jesse used to say? I am somebody No longer do I blame others For the way that we be Cuz niggas need to redefine What it means to be free You campaign for every Dead nigga blvd Just trying to make that dollar So y'all young motherfuckers can Drive down it in your fancy cars You try to hold on to some africa of the past Then one must remember It's other africans That helped enslave your ass Cuz everybody's Trying to make that dollar Remember what jesse used to say? I am somebody No longer do I blame white folks For the way that we be Cuz niggas need to redefine What it means to be Free. Dick gregory : ("human rights & property rights") : "Understand young folks, when you put property rights ahead of human rights Understand you're tampering with nature. Hmm. That's right. You see, property rights is controlled by man And human rights, is controlled by nature." | |
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C3PO said: I ALSO ENJOYED, DICK GREGORY-STATE OF BLACK UNION - JUST WATCH IT IF U ALL HAVEN'T!!
LOVE I enjoyed it as well as the conferences thereafter. [Edited 11/20/09 18:02pm] | |
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Riverpoet31 said: got news for you, despite it all, Blacks survived. We have been making strides even during the most racist times in America. That is something you seem to be "sleeping" on, and I think that is what annoys you the most. You can't get over that many Blacks can discuss the topic of race in America with ease and comfort, and at the same time, still manage to jump over every hurdle and obstacle that has been thrown in their path.
You are wrong. What annoys me the most is that a group within the black commmunity keeps using the racism / discrimination card as an excuse. Don't get me wrong, it might be a 'reason', but its not always an 'excuse' for your situation: when i hear black people living in ghetto's say 'we HAVE to' deal drugs / become a pimp / get criminal because the white people don't want us to work / get together with them, you are talking shit. They don't want to work with you / get together with you, because you prefer to be a drugdealer / pimp / criminal....duh Human are human....and as you have white pricks, you also have black pricks who take advantage and act opportunistic. The sad and pathetic thing is: you have professors and lecturers who support that group by saying: they are discriminated upon, and have less opportunities, so its 'logical' they move into crime and their own businesses. The Crux is: it simply isnt logical, its opportunistic: its probably easy to blame the rest of society (Gangsta rap: those whities dont want me...they discriminate me..... so I have my excuse for getting criminal), it takes a bit more selfrespect to stop blaming others, and take responsibility of your own life. Whether you are black, white, red or yellow. To conclude: people who keep abusing the racism / discrimination-card in life, walk away from their own responsibilities. They keep blaming others for their own misery, instead of making something out of their life, based on their own strengths and idea's, you can say whatever you want but the fact is it STILL happens and racism is STILL alive and well and im surprised with these comments coming out of you from the people who DID and STILL benefit from the past slave labor of blacks and who still benefit off of the racism and prejudice that minorities face in this country today and black people are not blaming white people for ANYTHING even if they are so what? they might have more of a reason to blame whites MUCH MORE than for your white racist counterparts to be racist and nasty to US i got an idea instead of telling blacks to stop blaming white people for everything how about you get together with some of your white colluages and tell them to stop the hate and employment discrimination against minorities so that minorites wont have a reason to blame whites for everything anymore? how about that? and its people with your kind of crap nonsense and way of thinking the reason why things like this still exist today in this world Obama in office doesnt solve a DAMN thing about racism in this country only indivials can change and solve problems such as this | |
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Funny how you guy are all jumping on Riverpoet31 (who reminds me of Tame when derailing a thread). This thread is not about how Riverpoet31 feels ... it is to discuss the lyrics of dreamer, so don't feed the attention whores...
Now back to discussing "Dreamer" and please don't compare it to other artists and their work. We are only discussing Prince, not MJ, Meschell Ndegeochello or anyone else...
So only one person decided to explain what Prince meant in the lyrics: Peanut butter logic, served on a bed of lies Don't go down too easy, when you've seen your father cry Thanks xlr8r for your response [Edited 11/20/09 19:07pm] | |
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2elijah said: Riverpoet31 said: He has done worse, but i am not very fond of this song.
Why? Musicwise he can do a lot better then yet another 'Hendrix-pastiche'. It appears like some cheap bid. Just like you thought he had left his Hendrix-fixation behind with Purple Rain and Another Lonely Christmas years and years ago, he is portraying himself again as some Hendrix-ripoff years on. Lyricwise he is playing the annoying 'victim'-card again. How long are black people going on with blaming others for all of their problems? How long are black people going to whine against white people: your ancestors were slavetraders, so you 'owe' me something! The simple fact is: white people nowadays 'owe' you nothing at all. You have the opportunity to make something out of your life. I don't feel responsible for my slavedwelling ancestors, and i sure don't feel responsible for blacks playing the victim / racism-card. Its your own life, dont blame others. Dude, seriously, talk about blame. I think you need to stop blaming Black people for how you feel about slavery. Your generalizations and assumptions are astounding, but hey you are entitled to your opinion. Should no one discuss any historical tragedies, and just wipe them out of the history books, for those who are too sensitive to deal with the topic? Is the issue of past "slavery" in America too hot a topic for you?
There's nothing wrong with discussing America's past or its act of slavery. No one is going to stop discussing the topic, because it may be too much for some to handle. Doesn't mean Black people are sitting around with a "begging cup" waiting for white people to throw a nickle and dime in it. Blacks have moved on long ago, since the days of slavery, jim crow, segregation, and the civil rights movement, etc., despite the racial events that took place. That never stopped them from making accomplishments for themselves, their people or making contributions to America, despite any racial tensions or obstacles they had/have to face. They live their lives on a daily basis, like the rest of society. They didn't crawl in a hole and die post-slavery, they survived dude. There will always be struggles and historical events, that people will talk about for years to come, and sing it in song, it doesn't mean people are playing victim to social/political ills. Take the 9/11 situation that happened 8 years ago, New Yorkers are still talking about it, doesn't mean they are playing victims. Discussing the civil war between the North and South doesn't mean Northerners or Southerners play victim to it, because they do reenactments or discuss it. What about the Jewish Holocaust, should people not remember that too, because you or others may not be handle the harsh details of all those tragedies? It's ridiculous to think no one should sing about any historical events, and if they do they are "playing victim or the race card?" That's a bunch of malarky dude. During the sixties and seventies many musicians/artists/actors/actresses, including poets sang and talked about social and political ills and strived for changes within our system, which brought awareness to the situations, and motivated people to do something about it. From Bob Dylan, Gil Scott Heron, Curtis Mayfield, Harry Belafonte, Joan Baez, Sonia Sanchez, The Temptations, Jose, Feliciano, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, so why should it be any different for Prince to sing about social ills to enlighten and raise awareness about it? Today you have Bono from U2 singing songs about current social/political ills to bring awareness to particular situations in the world. Would you accuse him of playing the "sympathy" card? Don't be ridiculous. Prince has a right, as an artist, to express his opinions about how he feels about any social situation in this country or the world, whether it is in song or spoken publically during an interiew. It seems to me he recognizes that race, unfortunately is still an issue in America, even more than 40 years after Dr. King was murdered. He hones in Dick Gregory's comments about racial profiling in the track "Dreamer", which is still an issue many in the Black community are dealing with. It's not the end of the world dude because an artist decides to express a social ill in a song, life goes on in America dude, and so do the struggles.
[Edited 11/19/09 7:49am] Thanks for your insights. I couldn't agree more. we're like two petals from the same flower, baby... | |
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xlr8r said: 2elijah said: It seems the lyrics in "Dreamer" really ruffled some of your feathers. Just like The Moors in Spain and Avalanche  | |
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