I DON'T KNOW..... BUT, JUST SAYING....HMMMMM

I hope ol' anthony isn't claiming his work is TOTALLY original.

my original post http://prince.org/msg/7/314199

how the hell is that Plagerisim? one is a photo, the other is a painting?
then i guess all other great peices of art are all plagerism as well?

Wow,

I agree about "plagirism", that painting isn't original then.

Great photo, crap art, imo.

SCARLETTPUZY said:

Do you deny the (C) in a photograph?
How UN-american is that?

Did you think the timing, lighting, angle, focus, camera techology, etc, etc are of no importance to the way you experienc a certain photo?

Anthony Malzone is a hybrid artist. So he may take photos and enhance them, or redraw them, or use computer graphics. So that is exactly what this piece is. Hybrid art. Not plagiarism. Prince probably choose that picture to have remade.

Even painters use photos as a reference, but like fantastic4ever said, this was probably just re-rendered on a computer with Prince's permission.

this is not copyright infringement at all...it is most likely scanned/converted to vector from that photo - and then 'tweaked colour-wise...but that doesn't necessarily infringe on the photographer's work....especially if Prince has ok'd it as well....I assume that the copyright is held by Prince? Most professional photographers have 'standard' clauses in their contracts stating they own the rights to all photos they take - I imagine Prince doesn't sign those kinda 'contracts' LOL

I like the image and the way the artist reworked it - just don't like the retro colours...to each their own...I wonder if there are other versions with different colour mixes....

fanatic4ever said:

I agree and this is a nice photo and great art work.

fanatic4ever said:

Right. Like andy Warhol and the Campbell soup can.

setyrmindphree said:

mmmmm very nice.....one of my best this pic of him in deep thoughts...thanks for sharing this

It may be legit, but it ain't art. Millions of people around the world can conjure that image in two minutes using basic Photoshop skills.

This thread is fucking embarrassing.

Gohi said:

+100

jimino1 said:

ask Shepard Fairey about that. Unless he had permission it is a violation. That is if they can prove the poster used the photo or was even used as a model for the photo.

As far as needing a 'copyright' mark goes. It is not needed in the US. A work is protected as soon as it is in reproducible form (as soon as it can be copied). Registration is not needed or required it just helps prove a date.

That painting is plagiarism! Look! He just copied a bowl of fruit!!

why is this thread fucking embarrassing...?

what's is fucking embarrassing is the plagiarism.

just imo.

I don't understand how this is supposed to be plagiarism? Is Prince's face a copyrighted design? Has anyone who's ever draw or taken a photo of Prince 'plagiarized' his face? I could understand it if the guy had copied an actual design or illustration, but all he's done is use a photo of Prince as a reference to create a computer illustration. I've done the same myself in the past...

^ you are maybe right,

plagiarism or not, your art is definately better than Anthony M.'s...

Reverend said:

I guess as he used someone else's 's work and passed it off as his own?



no but an individual picture of it can be. If the painter used a copyright protected photo (and most photos would be) then it is a violation of US Copyright law.



no that is not what is being alleged here.




do you remember the Obama "hope" posters by the painter Shepard Fairey. He got sued for a copyright violation over that image becasue he used a copyright protected photo of Barack Obama. I am pretty sure he either lost or settled.



I am telling!!!!!

Reverend said:

Great job!

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I understand your points, but seeming as the guy was working for Prince, it all seems a bit academic now - he's bound to have had permission.

...I on the other hand!

I did the screen cap from the leno SHOE performance. The use of "plagarize" was meant as a little tongue and cheek. Insert preferred emoticon here.

Don't know if the artist is claiming his image is original or not. His treatment surely is original. I like it. Besides, the picture is just an angle I liked. So I "Plagarized" it and put it on here. At least we know the artist likes prince.org.

Just when I saw the email, I was suprised that it was used. If P liked it, then great. Flattered.

I have liked a few of his ideas (insert tongue in cheek, now) over the years.

i really adore the artwork, but i'm not convinced it would exist if setyrmindphree hadn't made the screencap, so THANKYOU setyrmindphree!
i remember the thread & THAT pic. the artwork, which was a hit with many of us, materialized soon after.
but this doesn't make it plagiarism!
imo setyrmind should take credit 4 providing the inspiration
[Edited 11/17/09 10:51am]

Reverend said:

i love your stuff too!

Are you implying that Andy Warhol is a freaking plagiarist?


1/ Portrait of Ludwig van Beethoven d'après nature, Joseph Karl Stieler, 1820





2/ Beethoven, Andy Warhol, 1987







Are you also implying that Picasso just can't do without other people's talent and without ripping them off?


1/ Las Meninas (The Maids of Honor), Diego Velazquez, 1599/1600





2/ Les Ménines d'après Velazquez, Pablo Picasso, 1957




AND THE LIST GOES ON!

Quoting Claude Gagnière (French author): "Let's face it, since the beginning of Creation everybody has been copying everybody else" (approximate translation). This includes making a pastiche of, borrowing from, being inspired by, etc.

Oh, and isn't Dreamer TOTALLY inspired by Voodoo Child??
Isn't Steinbeck's East of Eden TOTALLY inspired by The Book of Genesis?? ...
[Edited 11/17/09 12:35pm]

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[Edited 11/17/09 11:17am]

setyrmindphree said:

Now the point you were implying makes sense. I didn't know you made the screencap. Obviously the rendering is taken from your exact grab from the Leno show.

So now NBC has a case against you, Prince and Anthony Malzone.

And as stated above, the Obama "Hope" poster should be a wake-up call to all graphic designers out there, including Mr. Malzone. Obama will not be paying for Fairey's legal fees, and Prince certainly would not stand behind Malzone - that we know.

to address copyright:

name, likeness and image are all copyrighted trademarks

ask Tom Waits . . . .

using someone's photo to make your own art is also an infringement, I don't know what the case is here, but it doesn't matter, both photo and illustration (and that's all it is, an illustration) are unexceptional.

squirrelgrease said:

I better watch it because I think NBC could use the money. Just in case, I want to come clean and let NBC, Prince, et al know that, Setyrmindphree did not screencap, nor post any picture to a fan site.
I, Setyrmindphree's cousin, Mindtrappedbehindachickenwirecage is the guilty party.
Actually, I just read the email in it's entirety and it appears Anthony is SELLING his artwork. Interesting.

If someone printed out a copy of the screencap and hung it on their living room wall, took a video of their baby dancing in front of it and posted it on youtube, THEN I would be pissed.

Tracing Paperly Yours,

Mindtrappedbehindachickenwirecage
[Edited 11/17/09 12:16pm]

cosmicday2010 said:

He used a screencap someone took of the Leno performance if he used anything. He could have paused the Leno performance and worked with that.