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Prince and JW's

I know this topic has been discussed before, yet I am still intrigued. What is it about the JW beliefs that intrigues Prince? Those that went to the 2001 Celebration, did he shed any light on his reasons? I am curious what he found in this particular religion that gave him such a strong dedication to it.
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Reply #1 posted 10/26/09 6:28am

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A matter of timing IMO. Confused after his parents died, his baby died, his marriage died, his mainstream success died and there was his bass idol preaching "the truth".
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Reply #2 posted 10/26/09 7:07am

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maybe cause he had no hope back in the day confuse i think its like Dsoul said though, alot of the shit happened in the 90's, but i think more shit happened in the 80's when he was being rebellious, i mean i don't think he was being rebellious cause he wanted to sell out on records, i think he was being rebellious cause he has to express the darkness or deep scum he had in him, cause alot people be using the 'darkness' like for fun, but i think it was real time for Prince back in the day, and i think it really got a hold of him, thats why he's JW today,
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Reply #3 posted 10/26/09 7:23am

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also i think it's becuase he thinks 'JWs' have more freedom and 'musical-freedom', and i think thats what he wants. I mean like for a Christian, you HAVE to worship God, and theres more pressure to be all goody-goody if you don't do the do, and you get a ton of hate when you don't do it, and the church goes all judgmental on you and condems you,and if you don't raise your hands in the air and falsley say that you 'Love him' in the name of the Lord, you go to hell, and you leave with nothing in your heart, even though you were a good person, I think some 'Christians' are born again, but don't have one ounce of passion to worship God, and they feel guilty because they wonder why they don't 'Love god' and then they blame themselves for being a sinner, and they pray despereatly like 'Why God, can't I love you?','Why do i always think the Bible is boring?' I mean i'm not talking about the southern ones when they beat you for not being a 'God-Lover' like old Reverends and stuff, I'm talking about the Evangelical ones like on TBN (if you hadn't heard it's like the MTV of Christian-dome') and then look up in the sky and be like 'Why God Why', I personally don't think Prince wants that, cuz I can't see him forcing himself to do it. Also I think he has another perspective of what like Jesus was, he wasn't all Godly like people perspect to be, i guess in Prince's mind he was more 'down'? I also heard that JWs have another perception what Jesus was like back in the day, but again I DON'T KNOW. It could be anything. lol this is just what i think and just possibilities, I think there might be more to it, but really, we can't say anything, this guy just blinks with the eye with us. lol
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Reply #4 posted 10/26/09 7:55am

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Dsoul said:

A matter of timing IMO. Confused after his parents died, his baby died, his marriage died, his mainstream success died and there was his bass idol preaching "the truth".


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Reply #5 posted 10/26/09 8:11am

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UpHi said:

also i think it's becuase he thinks 'JWs' have more freedom and 'musical-freedom', and i think thats what he wants. I mean like for a Christian, you HAVE to worship God, and theres more pressure to be all goody-goody if you don't do the do, and you get a ton of hate when you don't do it, and the church goes all judgmental on you and condems you,and if you don't raise your hands in the air and falsley say that you 'Love him' in the name of the Lord, you go to hell, and you leave with nothing in your heart, even though you were a good person, I think some 'Christians' are born again, but don't have one ounce of passion to worship God, and they feel guilty because they wonder why they don't 'Love god' and then they blame themselves for being a sinner, and they pray despereatly like 'Why God, can't I love you?','Why do i always think the Bible is boring?' I mean i'm not talking about the southern ones when they beat you for not being a 'God-Lover' like old Reverends and stuff, I'm talking about the Evangelical ones like on TBN (if you hadn't heard it's like the MTV of Christian-dome') and then look up in the sky and be like 'Why God Why', I personally don't think Prince wants that, cuz I can't see him forcing himself to do it. Also I think he has another perspective of what like Jesus was, he wasn't all Godly like people perspect to be, i guess in Prince's mind he was more 'down'? I also heard that JWs have another perception what Jesus was like back in the day, but again I DON'T KNOW. It could be anything. lol this is just what i think and just possibilities, I think there might be more to it, but really, we can't say anything, this guy just blinks with the eye with us. lol
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Reply #6 posted 10/26/09 8:42am

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Marrk said:

Dsoul said:

A matter of timing IMO. Confused after his parents died, his baby died, his marriage died, his mainstream success died and there was his bass idol preaching "the truth".


Pretty much. Vultures. neutral


Yeah. That bass idol took advantage of him when he was down - raping his mind. neutral
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Reply #7 posted 10/26/09 8:49am

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It's all Larry's fault
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Reply #8 posted 10/26/09 8:55am

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At first I thought the JW thing was a huge media stunt only,

but sadly it turned out to be reality,

incredible how an intelligent man like Prince was able to join such a sect.

very sad.. sad
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Reply #9 posted 10/26/09 8:58am

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The hell if I know.
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Reply #10 posted 10/26/09 9:21am

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UpHi said:

also i think it's becuase he thinks 'JWs' have more freedom and 'musical-freedom', and i think thats what he wants. I mean like for a Christian, you HAVE to worship God, and theres more pressure to be all goody-goody if you don't do the do, and you get a ton of hate when you don't do it, and the church goes all judgmental on you and condems you,and if you don't raise your hands in the air and falsley say that you 'Love him' in the name of the Lord, you go to hell, and you leave with nothing in your heart, even though you were a good person, I think some 'Christians' are born again, but don't have one ounce of passion to worship God, and they feel guilty because they wonder why they don't 'Love god' and then they blame themselves for being a sinner, and they pray despereatly like 'Why God, can't I love you?','Why do i always think the Bible is boring?' I mean i'm not talking about the southern ones when they beat you for not being a 'God-Lover' like old Reverends and stuff, I'm talking about the Evangelical ones like on TBN (if you hadn't heard it's like the MTV of Christian-dome') and then look up in the sky and be like 'Why God Why', I personally don't think Prince wants that, cuz I can't see him forcing himself to do it. Also I think he has another perspective of what like Jesus was, he wasn't all Godly like people perspect to be, i guess in Prince's mind he was more 'down'? I also heard that JWs have another perception what Jesus was like back in the day, but again I DON'T KNOW. It could be anything. lol this is just what i think and just possibilities, I think there might be more to it, but really, we can't say anything, this guy just blinks with the eye with us. lol
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Reply #11 posted 10/26/09 9:38am

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vainandy said:

The hell if I know.

I agree. I feel the same way. I don't know and really don't care. I don't get why Prince's religious beliefs are our concern? We all have the right to choose what religion we practice. He chose JW, what's the big deal? I don't claim to be a religious scholar or anything, but I appreciate it that P loves God and is not ashamed to say what he believes.
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Reply #12 posted 10/26/09 10:24am

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daPrettyman said:

He chose JW, what's the big deal?


It influences his lyrics and not in a good way. neutral
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Reply #13 posted 10/26/09 10:27am

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scififilmnerd said:

daPrettyman said:

He chose JW, what's the big deal?


It influences his lyrics and not in a good way. neutral
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That's to you. Prince is an individual and writes what he feels. If you don't like it, create something for yourself. I don't mean to sound derogatory or anything, but it's true. At this point in his career, he doesn't need validation from anyone.
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Reply #14 posted 10/26/09 10:29am

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The answer is simple..IT IS THE TRUTH!! If u research the books of the bible, their original text, which is in Hebrew & Greek, you replace God's name - "Yhwh" (english version as (Yahweh) Jehovah), and do the work, u 2 will c this2, along with so much more! Being a Jehovah's Witness is not about being in any kind of cult, and they have not brain washed Prince!! Prince has always searched 4 Truth and 2have a grand relationship with the one and only true God!!, (if u r a true fam u will know this via some of his song lyrics), so he found his truth, which is ok 4him and any1 else who chooses 2have a positive relationship with God. It has nothing 2 do with freedom of this or that, actually being a JW is very strict. Prince hasn't become anything, he is who he has always been!! As a younger man he may have, if u will; Pushed the envelope at times - as some say, yet he was always searching 4 Truth, and as he became wiser he found it..again His Truth, what works 4him. This should b respected not misunderstood, it is simply his choice of how he will live his life now, and he's chose 2live it putting God 1st!! If he stopped using profound language, hey thats ok, if he gets up in the mornings or chooses 2go out whatever day of the week and knock on doors 2spread the good news, this is ok 2!! As true fams' all that matters is if u enjoy his music or not..people, he's not doing anything wrong..it is simply agian HIS CHOICE & HIS LIFE 2LIVE..ALLOW HIM 2 DO JUST THAT!! Love his craft, and stay out of his private life!! KINDLY PUT>>> Love wink
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Reply #15 posted 10/26/09 10:30am

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eireboy34 said:

It's all Larry's fault

Sorry u feel this way..no fault here..all Love.

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Reply #16 posted 10/26/09 10:31am

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C3PO said:

The answer is simple..IT IS THE TRUTH!! If u research the books of the bible, their original text, which is in Hebrew & Greek, you replace God's name - "Yhwh" (english version as (Yahweh) Jehovah), and do the work, u 2 will c this2, along with so much more! Being a Jehovah's Witness is not about being in any kind of cult, and they have not brain washed Prince!! Prince has always searched 4 Truth and 2have a grand relationship with the one and only true God!!, (if u r a true fam u will know this via some of his song lyrics), so he found his truth, which is ok 4him and any1 else who chooses 2have a positive relationship with God. It has nothing 2 do with freedom of this or that, actually being a JW is very strict. Prince hasn't become anything, he is who he has always been!! As a younger man he may have, if u will; Pushed the envelope at times - as some say, yet he was always searching 4 Truth, and as he became wiser he found it..again His Truth, what works 4him. This should b respected not misunderstood, it is simply his choice of how he will live his life now, and he's chose 2live it putting God 1st!! If he stopped using profound language, hey thats ok, if he gets up in the mornings or chooses 2go out whatever day of the week and knock on doors 2spread the good news, this is ok 2!! As true fams' all that matters is if u enjoy his music or not..people, he's not doing anything wrong..it is simply agian HIS CHOICE & HIS LIFE 2LIVE..ALLOW HIM 2 DO JUST THAT!! Love his craft, and stay out of his private life!! KINDLY PUT>>> Love wink

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Reply #17 posted 10/26/09 10:40am

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scififilmnerd said:

daPrettyman said:

He chose JW, what's the big deal?


It influences his lyrics and not in a good way. neutral
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how does this influence his lyrics.."not in a good way" u say....U cannot praise God and curse with the same tongue..its not good. so what if he chose 2 praise God instead, my dears its ok..it is..love him 4 what he does with music, and respect him as a man - period!! it is ok 4 Prince 2 choose the relationship he wants with God..rather its being a JW or whatever, as long as he's an honest man, and lives a good life 2the best of his ability.

And 4 those who constantly blame, Larry Graham come on Stop already, Prince is a grown man, and he was not forced 2 do anything!! If u knew Prince, u would know he ain't doing nothing he don't want 2do..HE'S A VERY SMART MAN, U ALL KNOW THIS RIGHT..!! LOLOLOL.. Awww but it is sweet how much yawl care..I'm sure.. biggrin
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Reply #18 posted 10/26/09 10:42am

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SEXUALCHOCOLATE said:

I know this topic has been discussed before, yet I am still intrigued. What is it about the JW beliefs that intrigues Prince? Those that went to the 2001 Celebration, did he shed any light on his reasons? I am curious what he found in this particular religion that gave him such a strong dedication to it.

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Reply #19 posted 10/26/09 10:52am

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daPrettyman said:

scififilmnerd said:



It influences his lyrics and not in a good way. neutral
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That's to you. Prince is an individual and writes what he feels. If you don't like it, create something for yourself. I don't mean to sound derogatory or anything, but it's true. At this point in his career, he doesn't need validation from anyone.


AMEN!! He's done the work (lets work), and has climbed the mountains of the labels and the music industry and he's come out on top (Mpls. Sound)!! Its ok, I wouldn't expect every1 2 understand, yet some r meant 2 b loved & not understood..its ok, so just enjoy his flow..and know he Loves God!! how can this not be pleasing 2 true fams?? how?? now this is when I allow myself 2 try and continually c every1 withn the eye of God, and just Love - and not pass judgement or understand..with that I will..good enuff..God "bliss"!!

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Reply #20 posted 10/26/09 10:53am

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I just hate that guy, Larry.... sad













and I'm soooo tired to see songs like these in Prince's setlists:


Everyday People - horrible song, YUCK!
I Want To Take You Higher more YUCK
Thank You (Falentinmebemiceelfagin) Yuck again.....



but the most embarrassing song / moment was "The Christ" peformance formerly "The Cross" sad
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Reply #21 posted 10/26/09 10:57am

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thedance said:

I just hate that guy, Larry.... sad












Ok, this was written by a journalist, which is ok..and again..P's choices r his..I give Larry credit 4helping P find the Truth..its good 2 have a positive relationship with God. If JW wasn't 4 Prince, he wouldn't b in it..best believe.

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Reply #22 posted 10/26/09 11:11am

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C3PO said:

daPrettyman said:


That's to you. Prince is an individual and writes what he feels. If you don't like it, create something for yourself. I don't mean to sound derogatory or anything, but it's true. At this point in his career, he doesn't need validation from anyone.


AMEN!! He's done the work (lets work), and has climbed the mountains of the labels and the music industry and he's come out on top (Mpls. Sound)!! Its ok, I wouldn't expect every1 2 understand, yet some r meant 2 b loved & not understood..its ok, so just enjoy his flow..and know he Loves God!! how can this not be pleasing 2 true fams?? how?? now this is when I allow myself 2 try and continually c every1 withn the eye of God, and just Love - and not pass judgement or understand..with that I will..good enuff..God "bliss"!!

Love wink
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You know, if Prince was still doing the same thing he did 25 years ago, we would be asking why he hasn't grown up. confused
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Reply #23 posted 10/26/09 11:12am

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thedance said:

I just hate that guy, Larry.... sad













and I'm soooo tired to see songs like these in Prince's setlists:


Everyday People - horrible song, YUCK!
I Want To Take You Higher more YUCK
Thank You (Falentinmebemiceelfagin) Yuck again.....



but the most embarrassing song / moment was "The Christ" peformance formerly "The Cross" sad
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I'm not a big Larry fan either, but you have to acknowledge the genius of Larry and Sly Stone. Those guys helped change the face of music. They were some of Prince's early influences and I don't mind it.
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Reply #24 posted 10/26/09 11:40am

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The thing is, Jehovahs Witnesses are known worldwide for having solid family values and for having marriages that last and even if a couple does experience trouble in their marriage, they are councelled and encouraged to work out their problems rather than seperate/divorce, because really the only Scriptual grounds for divorce is adultery or abuse.

So, to all JWs on here, how come, since Prince has come to a Knowledge of the Faith and has even got baptized, he has gone through 2 MARRIAGES no less and to 2 very beautiful women at that???? How come he was able to divorce both of them on such trivial grounds other than the 2 aforementioned reasons I have mentioned???? Usually, if a couple in the Faith choses to divorce for any other reason(i.e. "incompatible differences"), one or both parties often has to pay a heavy price, i.e. being disfellowshipped and shunned from the congregation!!!

Also, he still has a lot 2 learn regarding the "Golden Rule" - Do unto others as u would like done 2 yourself!! Over the past 10 years or so, hes treated his fans like crap, brought out lawsuits left, right and center against his fans(who have done him no wrong, I might add), charged them extortionate amounts($77) to join his new official site in the midst of a huge worldwide recession, only performed for fans who are well bridged enough to pay to go and see him in such wealthy places as Montreaux, Monaco, Paris and, generally, giving the appearence to fans and critics alike that the only thing he cares about is the Almighty $$$$$!!!!!

Its obvious he hasnt applied the Fruitage Of The Spirit as mentioned in the Scripture in Galatians 5: 22,23 - Love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness and self-control!!!!! lol lol lol lol
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1. It's interesting to me that fans would rather Prince be whatever way THEY want, rather than whatever way he wants. One of the things I love about Prince is that he goes his own way...regardless. Converting to Jehovah's Witness faith is a just another example of this. It's what HE wants. Not you. That said, I think it is being made out by fans to be a much bigger deal than it is.

Fact: His lyrics/stage show/persona have always been infused with a HEAVY DOSE of Christian God talk. I can cite many examples, stretching back all the way to very early on in his career. For me, Prince embracing hip hop was much more of a dramatic shift in his art than his new-ish faith was.

2. It is interesting to me the sheer number of fans (on this site) who over generalize about the Jehovah's Witness faith, and show downright bigotry towards it. I always thought Prince fans to be openminded, but many are not.

3. Prince really ain't changed that much. Sure, editing old songs is annoying, and I am down for a good f-word now and again. However, as I have pointed out before: Prince's most (so-called) religious/dogmatic album, The Rainbow Children, has lyrics talking about masturbation and sex toys. Why are people crying over Prince not being naughty, when clearly he still is?
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Reply #26 posted 10/26/09 12:00pm

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Also, my parents are Jehovahs Witnesses, and they are constantly going around to visit sick and elderly members of their local congregation and doing things for them, like collecting perscriptions, taking them on errands, doing their shopping, doing household stuff and repairs. mowing lawns, etc.!!! Or even just calling them up on the phone to see how they are!! Its all part and parcel of being a Jehovahs Witness!!

I dont think I can see Prince doing anything like this!!!! lol lol lol lol
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There are more than enough threads on this to find a multitude of opinions using the search function.

No definitive answer is going to come from an orger. Only Prince could truthfully answer this.
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