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Printablevainandy said: Southern hip hop in the 1980s? I can't think of any except for some of the groups from Miami such as 2 Live Crew and that type stuff. And that stuff was jammin'. you dont remember Sylk Times Leather huh?...lol..yes, late 80s into early 90's we would get all of these southern acts..they just werent there yet.J Dupri finally found a gimmick KrisKross and then later Outkast gave the south credibility.But yeah we used to use that term back in the day...ALOT | |
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squirrelgrease said: At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter that the "disposable income" generation doesn't really know Prince's body of work. His older fan base is large enough to keep dough in his account. Plus, his legacy will live on as he's influenced so many current artists. Much like James Brown sold lots of records as a result of Prince's JB tribute songs.
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JarviusLovesexy said: Im sure Prince is gonna pull in his young fans,look at me,I found out about Prince through Michael Jackson.So if people read about Jackson in the 80's,just maybe they'll come across Prince in the discussion. continue 2 listen 2 his message in his songs 2day...
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pplrain said: I don't know how or why he should try harder. I love his work. He is who he is. After working successfully in this business for 30 years he most definitely knows what he is doing. However just because you don't hear him on the radio does not mean he is not a good artist. The radios and magazines are owned by corporations who pay big money to keep their artists in the spot light and generate sales, does not mean that artist is good. It just may mean he is a sellout.
Prince is an independent. I love him for that for not sucking up to corporate bull. I am very much like that when it comes to my work. I rather work from the heart than have it distilled by corporations just to generate more sales. If he tries to go after another audience he may lose what he currently has. One bird in hand is worth two in the bush? [Edited 10/18/09 6:17am]  ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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Bohemian67 said: Imo, the younger generation will not be pulled in no matter what.
Why should Prince turn hip-hop, rap or whatever the rage is amongst the youth. The current youth in 10 years time will generally not be listening to the same music they are now. They might stay locked into some music that "rocked their youth," but their ears will mature and who knows, it's then that they'll find Prince's music somewhere along the road. Only then will they appreciate it, because it will be different that what they had been listening to. There are very few young people who listen to jazz. But as people mature from the age of 15 to their 40s, their tastes will change and these very often go back to the roots of music. Soul, jazz the classic genres, including classical never die. In today's youthful rage music, where guys call girls every name under the sun and women pretty much do the same thing...one awful song comes to mind.. "if you like it then you better put a ring on it." While it might sound funky to them in their 20s, I doubt it will be the only thing they will ever listen to as they age. By the time this youthful generation will have grown up, they will be faced with new music from their "new generation." Bottom line, Prince should make music that makes him happy, nothing else.      ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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kenlacam said: No. He doesn't need to change what he does just to appease some snot-nose kids who don't even know quality music when they hear it. He's made his money, doesn't need to whore himself out to the Miley Cyrus/Jonas Bro crowd to be popular.
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ronnwinter said: vainandy said: Why should we wait 20 years. We've already waited 20 years and no style change. In the past, styles have changed around every five years until shit hop came along. But no, it's probably not going anywhere for another 50 years. "Cheap" never goes away. . . . [Edited 10/21/09 6:45am] AMEN BROTHA! "hip Hop" has went down the toilet since the early 90's. I have tried in every way to find some form of true "art" in it, and its just impossible. The lyrics, the so called music, the look...its just horrible. I gotta give em credit where its due though... They have found a way to become millionares without portraying any intelligence, style, respect, morals, or talent. Yes, Prince has had his not so impressive moments, but his great moments outshine his bad by a HUGE margin. ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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LondonStyle said: vainandy said: Not just no, but hell to the fucking naw! He's already doing too much to try to pull them in already with sellout shit hop sounding songs like "Ol Skool Company", "Mr. Goodnight", "Incense and Candles", etc. and the horrible "singing a rap" type style on "Box Of Chocolate" like so many of these so-called artists are doing today. Not to mention using rediculous sickening shit hop slang words like "shawty".
I've tolerated a lot of style changes over the years from Prince such as changing from a badass funk/rocker to artsy fartsy and grew to love artsy fartsy but shit hop is something that I don't tolerate and never will tolerate. Yeah, it's been limited to maybe one track on each of the later albums but "MPLShit" had a sellout vibe to it in damn near the entire album. I've bought damn near every album on the day of it's release but next time I'm going to wait until I either hear some samples or until I hear some reviews from orgers who know what I like and dislike. If Prince wants the shit hop crowd, they can have him. But let's just see how long they keep him. . . . [Edited 10/20/09 7:50am] As always you have a point, but Prince has been into hip-hop for years, he wrote I feel 4 U, one of the biggest hip-hop/rap/pop/rnb cross-over tracks ever ... so he's never been out of the "game" . I agree MPLsound is aimed at the radio/charts ... but on that CD he does produce the magic... Dance 4 Me, Valentina, Better With Time, and Ol' Skool Company is a typical prince type track.... more 90's than 00's  ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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SavonOsco said: vainandy said: Southern hip hop in the 1980s? I can't think of any except for some of the groups from Miami such as 2 Live Crew and that type stuff. And that stuff was jammin'. you dont remember Sylk Times Leather huh?...lol..yes, late 80s into early 90's we would get all of these southern acts..they just werent there yet.J Dupri finally found a gimmick KrisKross and then later Outkast gave the south credibility.But yeah we used to use that term back in the day...ALOT I don't remember that group but, yeah the late 80s had plenty of shit hop but it was underground back then. All that stripped down slow to midtempo stuff never made it onto mainstream R&B radio in my area until the 1990s. The only rap that mainstream R&B radio in my area was playing was the good stuff like Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony, Freestyle and folks like that who actually had music behind their raps. I had heard shit hop back then though because there was a small public radio station that played a variety of stuff in blocks throughout the day such as blues, reggae, gospel, etc. On Saturdays, they had a one hour mix show and I tuned in every week because I love mixing. The DJ would usually mix about 30 minutes of fast rap and about 30 minutes of house music, or sometimes both since they were around the same tempo. However, sometimes he would play a 30 minute block of stripped down slow to midtempo rap that just sounded like talking over a slow beat. He used to call it his hip hop mix and I said "Hell, sounds more like shit hop to me". And I've used that term ever since. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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sumtymes said: optimus said: I do worry mainly because in 30 years time I think his work (apart from Purple Rain) will be greatly forgotten, You ask most people of my generation and they know only 2 songs by the purple one (usually TMBGIW, Purple Rain in my personal experiences)...and I know some of you will say, what about albums like Sign Of The Times?...well yeah its adored by critics and us...but I can bet most young people (certainley in the uk) wouldnt be able 2 name 1 song of it! (maybe the title track
) I mean its saddens me that soo many of his great works (especially slow-jams)..will be left with dust and moss growing all over them 
any1 else feel this way? the greats r never gone his influence is everywhere from pharrell 2 jdavey & his slow jams have helped 2 create generations He will always live in our hearts.... ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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optimus said: I do worry mainly because in 30 years time I think his work (apart from Purple Rain) will be greatly forgotten, You ask most people of my generation and they know only 2 songs by the purple one (usually TMBGIW, Purple Rain in my personal experiences)...and I know some of you will say, what about albums like Sign Of The Times?...well yeah its adored by critics and us...but I can bet most young people (certainley in the uk) wouldnt be able 2 name 1 song of it! (maybe the title track
) I mean its saddens me that soo many of his great works (especially slow-jams)..will be left with dust and moss growing all over them
any1 else feel this way? Prince will please God first...Where has trying 2 please man got him...most of his supposed 2 be fans has turned on him....a true fan wouldn't do that...  ♥ Feeling Purple Rain...Don't hold on 2 the pain, hold on 2 the memories ♥
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vainandy said: I don't remember that group but, yeah the late 80s had plenty of shit hop but it was underground back then. All that stripped down slow to midtempo stuff never made it onto mainstream R&B radio in my area until the 1990s. The only rap that mainstream R&B radio in my area was playing was the good stuff like Egyptian Lover, Pretty Tony, Freestyle and folks like that who actually had music behind their raps. I had heard shit hop back then though because there was a small public radio station that played a variety of stuff in blocks throughout the day such as blues, reggae, gospel, etc. On Saturdays, they had a one hour mix show and I tuned in every week because I love mixing. The DJ would usually mix about 30 minutes of fast rap and about 30 minutes of house music, or sometimes both since they were around the same tempo. However, sometimes he would play a 30 minute block of stripped down slow to midtempo rap that just sounded like talking over a slow beat. He used to call it his hip hop mix and I said "Hell, sounds more like shit hop to me". And I've used that term ever since. cool..we have reached a common ground... | |
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Popular music is largely trash. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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vainandy said: Yeah, Prince could sell out and maybe have a minor hit or two but he'll never be big again simply for the image in today's music. It's extremely homophobic and they will never accept someone that looks like Prince because they are complete idiots. But as I've said before, if this is the audience Prince wants, he can have them and see how long they keep him. But once he gets them temporarily, he doesn't need to come back crying to his old fans that left him when the little juvenille deliquents brand him as a "fag" and say silly shit like he "ain't no real nigga" and all that type of bullshit. He's got a loyal fanbase already but if he wants to jeapardize it, hey go for it. [Edited 10/21/09 7:35am] I'm glad you were prodded to expound upon the 'shit hop' label, I think you're on point as far as 90% of what's now best called "hip pop". Repeated themes, unevolving artists--or even talented wordsmiths who are likely to be dropped when they DO evolve and become artists, there are issues plaguing today's hip hop. The type of 'manhood', especially BLACK manhood, put forth by the industry in choosing what to push results in a very myopic view that is so so damaging when you think of little kids reciting 50cent lyrics. This segment of hip hop that gets into the mainstream, is one that is as homophobic as it gets and Prince's uniqueness as an artist is exactly what could possibly bring it into focus, i think. For black men, it's always been this thing where you focus on the sexy loverman side (think Andre3000's part of the RnR Hall of Fame induction). But whereas in the 80s & 90s you could just fall into the "freaky" category, which was still 'cool' cuz it still boiled down to heterosexy, today it is less so. Heterosexy is defined by never smiling, rocking the A-shirt (trying not to use the __beater term anymore), and valuing the dollar over depth of relationships. Prince needs to be out there as an 'alternative' icon, getting love from the masses by running against the current. What's interesting is that many of the best producers, beat-makers, and musicians involved with hip hop will readily acknowledge they are Prince fans, lol. Some of the 'grown up' rappers will show up at a Prince celebration show in a heartbeat.  [Edited 10/23/09 10:09am] ********************************************
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Remember the story of Andre3K letting Prince hear "Hey Ya" and Prince told him it wouldnt work? It went on to be their biggest hit.That tells me everything i need to know about Prince being in touch with the younger market.He needs to just keep doing what he's doing and the youth will find him.Just by judging from some of the orgers here that are young is an example.. | |
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The younger generation of listeners that come on here get bashed by the geriatrics of the Org.. It's discouraging to say the least. The chance to teach someone about something they could love and that you already do is a rare oppprtunity. Kindness goes a long way. Be good to the younger Orgers and take the time to answer there questions instead of telling them "We went over this before" and "Try Google". When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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It boils down to two or three things:
1) 15 year old kids don't give a shit about someone old enough to be grandpa. It's the rare occasion that a young person will find and love Prince, they way we found and loved Sly, James, or whatever. They don't care about James Brown, Sly Stone, Rick James, Earth, Wind & Fire. They don't even know who half those people are, much less know their music, or would even recognize a tune outside of their mother or father's record collection. (IF they know what a record is.) 2) Prince doesn't have music on the radio. He's not rotated on Kiss-FM or whatever Clear Channel station every 45 minutes. There's no contests w/ him, his music, free concert tickets, or anything. Kids are fed bullshit music, and that's what they feed on. To hear something like "When Doves Cry" or "Kiss" or a funk jam like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night", or a rock song like "Endorphinemachine"...they don't get it. There's no vocoder, there's no poppy hook, there's nothing electronic, and there's no one singing about fucking a bitch while smoking a blunt and putting a cigarette out on her ass. Prince isn't making booty shakin, everythingisinslowmotion videos. There's tons of scabs in the top 40 right now that only WISH they had an ounce of talent like Prince, MJ, or whoever they look up to. MJ was more universal. Prince wasn't. He doesn't appeal to kids. 3) We live in an ADHD society w/ the internet and texting, ringtones, etc. If they can't see or hear a song every 30 seconds of their waking hours, they don't care. It's sad really because if they're that vulnerable to be spoon fed bullshit like Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown (who half think had the right to hit Rihanna because "she had it coming" or "she egged him on"....that's another whole show) and all these others lollipops, theory states that perhaps they're just open enough of a dry sponge to soak up stuff like Chaka Khan, or old Graham Central Station, or Songs In The Key Of Life, or SOMETHING. ANYTHING. But no....they're bombarded with the nonsense that's out there. Prince used to be the rule, now he's the exception. And today...the rule is, whatever is on the radio is what's "cool". No one digs for new or unheard music. They're texting to see if Britney, Megan, Tiffany, Amber, and Holly have heard the latest Lil Wayne track. "Prince who?" | |
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ladychel61 said: JarviusLovesexy said: Im sure Prince is gonna pull in his young fans,look at me,I found out about Prince through Michael Jackson.So if people read about Jackson in the 80's,just maybe they'll come across Prince in the discussion. continue 2 listen 2 his message in his songs 2day...
What does dat mean | |
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JarviusLovesexy said: ladychel61 said: continue 2 listen 2 his message in his songs 2day...
What does dat mean It means someone should have Just Said No in the 80's.  | |
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I think that over time his music will be judged as ageless and he will be "re-discovered" by generations to come...because the classic music in any genre will never die... it will always be appreciated by real music lovers, esp, those who study music... My son is 21 and really loves some of Prince's music--he has studied Prince's guitar videos to pick up tips for his guitar playing! As well as other bands from his generation and the Old School! I don't really think you need to fear Prince fading out as legacy music! | |
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ernestsewell said: It boils down to two or three things:
1) 15 year old kids don't give a shit about someone old enough to be grandpa. It's the rare occasion that a young person will find and love Prince, they way we found and loved Sly, James, or whatever. They don't care about James Brown, Sly Stone, Rick James, Earth, Wind & Fire. They don't even know who half those people are, much less know their music, or would even recognize a tune outside of their mother or father's record collection. (IF they know what a record is.) You sound like an old man raging about these kids today!
Honestly, when I was 15 I didn't give a crap about my parents generation of music either. Eventually I matured and caught on, but every generation of teens is generally way too caught up in their own scene. And 20 years from now it'll be their turn to complain about the crap that passes for popular music. Such is life. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" |
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Why does Prince has to market to young listeners, I agree with most of you, if they like Lil Wayne and all these Shit hop acts and Britney Spears/cutesy Christian Disney family crap like Jonas Brothers and Miley Cyrus. Then let them do it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Lets face it, Prince phine as he is, and musical genius he is, is now a nostalgia act, who is just happy making music for his fans and himself. Prince still knows how to experiment and how to funk it up.
Lets just be happy we can savour the quality of his latest records alone. I mean would we all still be big big fans, if he records were always Top 10 hits and mega platinum smashes, this site would be inundated with neophytical 15 year olds screaming about how much they love Prince, leaving us true long time fans isolated. At least the few younger orgers seem to have a bit of taste like Javarius etc. I say leave Prince to do what he does best, keep his fans happy (Excluding the Lotusflow3r site fracas) So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time | |
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I agree it's a different age now, and most teenagers accept the easily accessible tripe they're fed.
I guess to some extent I was an exception, at the age of thirteen my musical icons were Prince and Kate Bush, and my other biggies were Talking Heads, The Stranglers, Roxy Music and Cocteau Twins. We're talking 1986 here, so I accept these artists got exposure in the mainstream media, but there was plenty of rubbish out there too. I'm quite proud of myself, looking back, and my good taste has stayed constant through the years (mainly!). However, I'd agree I was rather an exception (freak?) for my age. Not that I didn't have a thing for a few Five Star tracks right enough. "I'm much too hot to be cool" | |
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ernestsewell said: It boils down to two or three things:
1) 15 year old kids don't give a shit about someone old enough to be grandpa. It's the rare occasion that a young person will find and love Prince, they way we found and loved Sly, James, or whatever. They don't care about James Brown, Sly Stone, Rick James, Earth, Wind & Fire. They don't even know who half those people are, much less know their music, or would even recognize a tune outside of their mother or father's record collection. (IF they know what a record is.) 2) Prince doesn't have music on the radio. He's not rotated on Kiss-FM or whatever Clear Channel station every 45 minutes. There's no contests w/ him, his music, free concert tickets, or anything. Kids are fed bullshit music, and that's what they feed on. To hear something like "When Doves Cry" or "Kiss" or a funk jam like "It's Gonna Be A Beautiful Night", or a rock song like "Endorphinemachine"...they don't get it. There's no vocoder, there's no poppy hook, there's nothing electronic, and there's no one singing about fucking a bitch while smoking a blunt and putting a cigarette out on her ass. Prince isn't making booty shakin, everythingisinslowmotion videos. There's tons of scabs in the top 40 right now that only WISH they had an ounce of talent like Prince, MJ, or whoever they look up to. MJ was more universal. Prince wasn't. He doesn't appeal to kids. 3) We live in an ADHD society w/ the internet and texting, ringtones, etc. If they can't see or hear a song every 30 seconds of their waking hours, they don't care. It's sad really because if they're that vulnerable to be spoon fed bullshit like Usher, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown (who half think had the right to hit Rihanna because "she had it coming" or "she egged him on"....that's another whole show) and all these others lollipops, theory states that perhaps they're just open enough of a dry sponge to soak up stuff like Chaka Khan, or old Graham Central Station, or Songs In The Key Of Life, or SOMETHING. ANYTHING. But no....they're bombarded with the nonsense that's out there. Prince used to be the rule, now he's the exception. And today...the rule is, whatever is on the radio is what's "cool". No one digs for new or unheard music. They're texting to see if Britney, Megan, Tiffany, Amber, and Holly have heard the latest Lil Wayne track. "Prince who?" I agree with much of what you say, even though it does smack of the old man "back in my day" type of stuff that every generation gets to go through. That said, there are many acts that are even older than Prince that do a great job marketing themselves to young people (and the mass public in general). The Rolling Stones, Run DMC, Jimi, Pink Floyd...just a few examples of groups/musicians who are "old" in younger eyes, but market themselves very well and respectfully draw in new fans. Prince doesn't have to whore himself out to pop radio/culture, but there are things he could do to be more visible/present in the pop culture world. [Edited 10/28/09 6:59am] [Edited 10/28/09 7:35am] "New Power slide...." |
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No.
I hate 2 talk about the subject but it requires a discussion. When Prince passes away, the public will FINALLY be educated 2 the gift this man was 2 music. Prince will be STUDIED years after he passes on. At least that is my belief. | |
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NO I don't wish that! Prince doesn't need to fit into that auto-tone crap, I don't think he needs to buckle anytime soon to peer pressure. Music has when to hell in a handbasket nowadays, we could use his life jackets every now and then.The message you are about to hear are not meant for transmission. Should ONLY be accessed in the privacy of your mind. Words are so intense so if you dare to listen.Take off your clothes and meet me between the lines.  | |
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well as a part of hte corny titled ' youth of today' I know hes still relevant in good music. hes still adored.
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optimus said: I do worry mainly because in 30 years time I think his work (apart from Purple Rain) will be greatly forgotten, You ask most people of my generation and they know only 2 songs by the purple one (usually TMBGIW, Purple Rain in my personal experiences)...and I know some of you will say, what about albums like Sign Of The Times?...well yeah its adored by critics and us...but I can bet most young people (certainley in the uk) wouldnt be able 2 name 1 song of it! (maybe the title track
) I mean its saddens me that soo many of his great works (especially slow-jams)..will be left with dust and moss growing all over them
any1 else feel this way? Once you start making music to "sell yourself" to a younger generation, you are no longer your own individual artist but just a left-over trying to market yourself according to mundane "youth market" goals which have nothing whatsoever to do with quality music! Good music is ageless and not meant to be preyed or predicated upon to respond to some economically constructed marketing demographic! So far, Prince has avoided doing this and I hope he continues to do so... The results of him doing so can end up in...Smokey Robinson--need I say more? | |
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All Prince has to do is do a song with the latest "flavor of the month" r&b singer or rapper like Drake, Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, or The Dream and the kiddies will be going gaga about Prince. If Prince gets with the Machine (major record company all of its trappings) and puts aside his hangups, Prince will relevant to the new generation of music listeners and not the aging baby boomers, who come up with dumbass threads like this. 3121 #1 THIS YEAR | |
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