why did Prince put this song on 2 albums?

why did Prince put this song on 2 albums?

why did Prince put this song on 2 albums?

tafnap said:

Hi Tafnap

When 2 R In Love was included on the original cut of The Black Album, which was subsequently shelved at Prince's own wishes. He obviously thought highly of the song, enough to include it on the Lovesexy LP, which replaced the shelved one.

If The Black Album had been released at the time, it wouldn't have been available twice - it just seems weird now because WB went on to release The Black Album 6 years later, so the song shows up on two albums seemingly for no reason.

why did Prince put this song on 2 albums?

tafnap said:

Hi Tafnap

When 2 R In Love was included on the original cut of The Black Album, which was subsequently shelved at Prince's own wishes. He obviously thought highly of the song, enough to include it on the Lovesexy LP, which replaced the shelved one.

If The Black Album had been released at the time, it wouldn't have been available twice - it just seems weird now because WB went on to release The Black Album 6 years later, so the song shows up on two albums seemingly for no reason.

I often wondered after I bought the Black Album, if it was the "real" black album. The only thing on it that was dark and may have been out of Prince's usual persona was Bob George. Im mean look at Come and Chaos & Disorder. They were much much darker, but he seemed to be fine with those. Also, if you think about When 2 R in Love being included on the Black Album, it kinda cancels out the one dark song. In my opinion, the album had absolutely no flow like his previous albums. The tracks seemed so random and thrown together. Maybe thats the real reason he didnt want it released, because he knew it was not even close to his previous work.

ronnwinter said:

You couldn't be farther from the truth.

I often wondered after I bought the Black Album, if it was the "real" black album. The only thing on it that was dark and may have been out of Prince's usual persona was Bob George. Im mean look at Come and Chaos & Disorder. They were much much darker, but he seemed to be fine with those. Also, if you think about When 2 R in Love being included on the Black Album, it kinda cancels out the one dark song. In my opinion, the album had absolutely no flow like his previous albums. The tracks seemed so random and thrown together. Maybe thats the real reason he didnt want it released, because he knew it was not even close to his previous work.

ernestsewell said:

Well maybe in your opinion, but I personally hate the album. Can you give me any justification in his reasoning for pulling the album last minute? I know alot of people disagree with me and thats fine. Its just the I feel personally about the album and his reasons for pulling it.

ronnwinter said:

The Black Album story is out there, in detail. The story of the album has nothing to do with if fans like it or not. TBA was made before Lovesexy. In fact, Lovesexy is a direct knee-jerk reaction, and antithesis of TBA, to/for Prince.

I hate The Rainbow Children, but that doesn't effect Prince's ideas when putting it together, or the reasons behind it. So for me to disagree with it's alleged "greatness" isn't relevant to his creative process. Same goes for your dislike of TBA. Totally different horse than "What's the story behind the album?"

Go dig around for the story on TBA. It's even in "DMSR" by Per Nilsen among other books. The only detail that is slightly different, and I got his from a band member, is that Prince didn't see "God" one night in the stars or the sky. He was so paranoid on drugs, that he thought the devil was chasing, or was after, him. He confessed that to Gilbert Davison, who told a few other folks exactly what Prince had said to him. Otherwise.....the story you'll find is probably the story best known and the truth, including why he pulled it (aka the "God" incident), where some of the songs came from, etc.

ernestsewell said:

Yes, I have that book. I forgot about that particular version of the story/reason. But I think the only reason Prince offered for the public to know, was that the album was too dark. Maybe this was a result of the reasons you just stated, which would make sense. But with Prince's denial of ever using drugs, and his only excuse offered for pulling the album, it just seems a little vague and unbelievable.
I have however, always thought that around that time, he was experimenting with drugs. Even during Lovesexy. Just the look in his eyes and his actions on stage. It wasnt like any other performances before or after that era.

ernestsewell said:

Yes, I have that book. I forgot about that particular version of the story/reason. But I think the only reason Prince offered for the public to know, was that the album was too dark. Maybe this was a result of the reasons you just stated, which would make sense. But with Prince's denial of ever using drugs, and his only excuse offered for pulling the album, it just seems a little vague and unbelievable.
I have however, always thought that around that time, he was experimenting with drugs. Even during Lovesexy. Just the look in his eyes and his actions on stage. It wasnt like any other performances before or after that era.

Blue Tuesday 12.1.1987
This is a continuation of

http://prince.org/msg/7/299844 My Goodness: isn't the Black Album a really rather marvellous thing?

http://prince.org/msg/7/247006 The Black Album / Ecstasy / Lovesexy story


Ruperts Dance Club [Minneapolis Minn.]
Paisley Park studios [Minneapolis Minn.]

Prince
Warner Bro.
Ingrid Chavez
Karen Krattinger
Susan Rogers
Matt Fink
Gilbert Davison
Mo Ostin
Marylou Badeaux
Eric Leads

From the perspective of Warner Bros., the Black Album was emblematic of the label's concerns about Prince's career. Increasingly, his marketing decisions seemed designed to alienate the public rather than to increase his record sales; meanwhile, his material was becoming consistently less accessible. The company desperately wanted Prince to come up with catchy songs that would re-establish him as a potent hit-maker and guide him back towards Purple Rain-like levels of fame. What it got instead was The Black Album.

Despite Warners trepidation, plans for the release went forward and hundreds of thousands of vinyl albums, cassettes, and compact discs were pressed for distribution. As he often did just before putting out new albums, Prince went to a nightclub to audition it for an unsuspecting public. On December 1,1987- a little more than a week before its scheduled release-Prince went to Rupert's, a Minneapolis dance club. Entering undetected by the crowd, he made his way to the deejay booth and played songs without fanfare to see how club goers would react.


insert from: NightGod My source: Cat Glover

I filmed a behind the scenes video of her modeling shoot last year (the one many of you have seen on youtube), and spent a couple days hanging out with Cat Glover. She is very open and shared some amazing stories with me. This is one:

1987: Prince had never tried Ecstasy, and was curious about it after Cat told him what it felt like. He asked Cat to get him some (it came from her, where the common misconception is that it came from Ingrid). Cat was in LA when Prince made his request. She got some and flew in to MN and was staying at a hotel when Prince's limo showed up. While they were both in her room, Cat suggested Prince take half a dose "because he was so small". He took the full dose and told Cat to wait for him. He rode off in his limo and Cat didn't hear from him until much later.

Prince decided to go to a club while he was tripping. It was here that he met Ingrid Chavez, which eventually led them to Paisley Park. Cat said she didn't think Ingrid knew Prince was tripping on E. Prince called Cat later from the limo and told her about Ingrid. She was riding with him at that point, and the three of them went out to Paisley, making for a historical night in Prince's career.

Even more interesting is her source for where she got the Ecstasy in the first place: Anthony Kiedis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.


As the music played over the sound system, Prince mingled with the crowd and eventually became involved in a detailed conversation with a singer-songwriter-poet in her early twenties named Ingrid Chavez. An attractive brunette with a serious and reflective air, Chavez had moved to Minneapolis several years earlier to work on music with a friend. But that collaboration had soured, and since then she had been working alone on her poetry and spoken-word pieces. Like Prince, Chavez had grown up in a strictly religious home (in her case, Baptist), but as an adult she too sought spiritual answers outside the confines of any specific religion.

Prince and Chavez seemed fascinated by each other despite an apperent lack of sexual chemistry, and, after a while, they drove back to the recently completed Paisley Park studio complex. They continued a lengthy and intense conversation about religious issues, love, and life fulfillment, but Prince eventually excused himself, saying he had a stomachache. Waiting to see where the strange night would go next, Chavez stayed put while Prince disappeared elsewhere in the complex.

At about 1:30am Karen Krattinger received a strange phone call. Speaking with uncharacteristic emotion, Prince apologized for having been so hard on her, said he had trouble expressing his feelings, and that he loved her.

At about the same time that night, Susan Rogers also got a phone call from Prince, asking her to come to Paisley Park. After four years as Prince's engineer, she had resigned that post shortly after the completion of the Black Album i October 1987. But she agreed to go to the studio. Arriving in the rehearsal room, she found it dark, save for a few red candles that cast ominous shadows across the walls. Out of the gloom she heard a woman's voice.

"Are you looking for Prince?"
Rogers, who would later learn this was Chavez, answered, "Yes."
"Well, he's here somewhere," Chavez replied.
Abruptly, Prince emerged out of the darkness, looking unlike she had ever seen him before. "I'm certain he was high," Rogers said. "His pupils were really dilated. He looked like he was tripping."
As he had with Krattinger, Prince struggled to connect emotionally with Rogers. "I just want to know one thing. Do you still love me?" Rogers, startled, said she did, and that she knew he loved her.
"Will you stay?" Prince asked.
"No, I won't," she said, and left the complex.
"It was really scary," she recalled of the evening.
Matt Fink confirmed the sequence of events, saying he was told by bodyguard Gilbert Davison, who was present at Paisley Park that evening, that Prince had taken the drug Ecstasy. "He had a bad trip, and felt that [the Black Album] was the devil working through him," Fink said. Chavez has also said that in the course of the evening Prince decided that The Black Album represented an evil force.

...

But something had changed. Prince believed that he had experienced a spiritual and moral epiphany, and that Chavez, serving as a guide, had shown him the way to greater connection with God and other people. The Black Album, he decided, represented the anger and licentiousness that he must leave behind. After casting about for months for a way to truly put the Revolution era behind him, he had found one.

Days after the ecstasy trip, Prince contacted Warner Bros. chairman Mo Ostin and insisted that the Black Album, with its release just days away, be canceled. "Prince was very adamant and pleaded with Mo," recalled Marylou Badeaux. Although Ostin ultimately agreed, halting the release was a logistical nightmare for Warners. Five hundred thousand LPs - which now needed to be destroyed - had been pressed, and were on loading docks ready for shipment to stores. A small number of vinyl records and cds escaped destruction, and The Black Album quickly became available on the bootleg market, with fans selling and trading cassette duplicates of widely varying fidelity.

Prince has never given a clear public explanation of the decision to shelve the album, but the program from his next tour included a cryptic discussion of the Black Album's "evil" nature, and refers to December 1, 1987 (the night he spent with Chavez at Paisley Park), as "Blue Tuesday."

Having shelved the Black Album, Prince immediately threw himself into the recording of his next LP, Lovesexy, which he conceived as a document of his epiphany.

...

Moreover, very few of Prince's associates related to the lyrical messages, and also wondered why Ingred Chavez, who seemed to some a bit odd, was playing such a huge role. When band members seemed confused by the lyrics of the title track, he rerecorded it to make the meaning ring out more clearly. It still didn't work. "I did not understand what the term 'lovesexy' was supposed to mean," Eric Leeds said. "People weren't getting it."

Surely, as we love his music, we should believe him when he says he's never dabbled?

People close to Prince have on occasion said that he doesn't do drugs and rarely drinks a little wine. But truly, it would seem he's dabbled. He may have been a frequent dabbler for all we know. He might be dabbling right now. Dabble dabble dabble. Sounds like a turkey with an english accent.