Thanks Ernest. I understand more now. It's hard not to be a bit bitter when you love and promote someone's music and then have to stop. At least it didn't go further though and boots as you say, are not really our own intellectual property. I admire that you're still a fan though. I would have dropped him like hot cake

Wow ernest never knew that happened. Sorry to hear things went sour inall that midst. I saw you had a interview with a couple of Prince's camp( and they knew). I was wondering as well did you get a interview with Wendy and Lisa as well? Or did things fall through with that?

I know we havent gotten along in the past (sorry to be off topic a bit), I am willing to call a truce between us. I can now understand why you state such things in ur posts. Whatever the feeling.I am willing to understand where you are coming from more( since this explaination of things its more clear).

I am shocked about what you said,and knew of only one (2 maybe) that has a sour relationship with P on here.

Luck to you in the future, I hope you have another radio show(I heard of your radio show just never got a chance to listen )

toots said:

I don't have a sour relationship w/ Prince. I stated that. I have no ill-will because of what happened. He only wanted the bootleg playing to stop. He didn't care about my radio show itself, which I kept going until I couldn't anymore. I only stopped playing the bootlegs. There was SO much new music out in 2001-2003 (MJ's new album, Jamiroquai, Prince, Sheila E., MeShell and more) that I had more than enough to play. I also did "theme" shows, like...all movie songs, the soundtrack of my life, etc.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

What happened with you and Prince threatening you or even suing you?

No, he wants to sue me but he loves me too much. That reminds me Where's TAME?

Dayclear said:

She's making the rounds with Prince

No, he wants to sue me but he loves me too much. That reminds me Where's TAME?

ernestsewell said:

Hehehe - this is quite amusing! All these people saying how they "get" you now and understand your "bitterness" when, clearly, they have entirely missed the point!

When I had a radio show on the internet back in 2001-2003, I played whatever I wanted. Not a problem. I eventually had two stations on Live365.com, one for a LO and one for a HI stream of the show. I'd tape the show (usually about 2-4 hours depending), and it'd stream for the month.

Later on, into year two, I took one of the Live365 stations I had, and renamed it Uptown Radio. People had broadband, and I kept the HI version of my shows on the one channel. Uptown Radio played all Prince stuff. Sometime it's play a whole album (like The Rainbow Children at the time), but I also played bootlegs. That was also about the time when the Nagoya and Sendai boots from the Lovesexy shows were coming out (as well as the "Days of Wild" CD single given out at the Celebration, recorded in Montreal.) I also played the NPGMC Ahdio shows, and the monthly tracks too. I wasn't a member of NPGMC, but a friend offered her login and I grabbed every single track.

Eventually, Prince's folks caught wind of Uptown Radio, and eventually emailed me. I was doing a LOT of rotation with the Japan boots, and some SOTT show rehearsals (the NPGMC stuff didn't seem to be an issue since it was officially released and out there for public consumption legally). The email told me I couldn't play them. I told them I could because I had them in my possession, and I "owned" them. (I know.....I know.) They emailed me back and, although stern, they were kind in saying it was Prince's rights to those performances or rehearsals (both of which I was playing), and that I should remove them. They later said they'd contact Live365 if needed. Well, as much as I love Prince, he wasn't worth me losing my radio show. At the time, Live365.com was the only real source I knew of to stream audio, either live, or pre-recorded. So it wasn't worth it to me to sacrifice my show for airing some bootlegs. Not needing the second station anymore, I think I eventually closed that account (although I forget what I did, exactly). I kept my usual radio show going until the end of the 2nd season. I moved, and Live365 started charging, and money was tight for me at the time, so it was just easier (although I hated to do it) to let the show go.

I don't regret any of it, but I also understood the cease and desist talk. It went for a while before I ever got an email. I'm sure whoever was trolling alt.music.prince picked up on it there (although at the time you could easily find my website and my radio show by simply googling the name of the radio show itself.) I don't regret it also because I got to interview Dr. Fink, and Monte Moir (The Time). I almost had Brownmark in the bag, but we never clicked on a date and time. I had CeCe Michaela lined up too, but that fizzled for some reason. It was probably more my fault than hers.

So that's it. Nothing too exciting, and it wasn't nasty, or put some bad taste in my mouth about Prince, despite folks thinking that. I never hated Prince, and I don't hate him now. I just hate how he's done business, treated his fans, ripped us off, and how his music quality has suffered in the past 10 years compared to the whole rest of his career at WB. So drop the haterade....cuz I never did drink it.

I still have all my shows archived on disk, including the Fink and Moir interviews. I also have a few tapes of recorded phone calls w/ Fink (yes he knew and agreed to them) that I've never put out. We recorded them just to see if anything came from our numerous phone conversations that I could use in a 2nd special on the show. I never did use anything, but I have 2 or 3, maybe 4, tapes of phone calls between us.

Mindflux said:

Um you have no idea what went down BEFORE this conversation even surfaced. Please mind your own business. Thank you.

toots said:

They're quite welcome to say whatever they want to. It's a public forum, and they have the right to reply.

I realize this but what happened was between me and u. THAT was my point sorry to say a word and if it was out of line I apologize again but the poster had/has no idea of the events leading to that particular situation. Public forum or not there are things best left unsaid about such things and imho that was one of them. With that said I will leave the thread good day.

ernestsewell said:

I realize this but what happened was between me and u. THAT was my point sorry to say a word and if it was out of line I apologize again but the poster had/has no idea of the events leading to that particular situation. Public forum or not there are things best left unsaid about such things and imho that was one of them. With that said I will leave the thread good day.
[Edited 10/7/09 16:54pm]

Dayclear said:

Why would a law suit and me come into the same sentence?

I have not been sued by Prince...I had recently felt that Prince owed me a phone call at any point in the last ten years...and He hasn't called...and I was mad...but it didn't take me any longer than a week to realize, that I Love Prince for myself...Just because I love him doesn't mean he owes me anything. I love Prince because I do. Because it just happens to be I suppose.

I just thought it would be courteous to call me for my own personal reasons.

When we get mad, or jealous, or envious, or feel left out we can look for reasons to blame someone else for an emotional relationship that we enter into willingly.

Prince does not send us contracts that say...Love me...so anyone that searches for compensation from emotional or spiritual neglect is barking up the wrong tree.

Tame said:

Bohemian67 said:

Thanx ... still I wonder if you recognised the tracks. I used the intros.
Maybe you can specialise in Prince-legal issues.
Here, as long as you fill in the coprright organisation Buma Stemra for television you can use whatever you want. The broadcasters have some agreement.
Buma Stemra, I heard , now wants to take their claiming activities to the internet. So at the moment that's the big issue.
For theatrical releases it's another story - and you pay a shitload of copyright money