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Reply #30 posted 01/08/03 2:07am

GIOVANNI

To think that somebody would think that I would write in a princed biased manner to VIBE thats not the point jack asses. So I am entitled to my though out opinion, which is not some random turd in the toilet.
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Reply #31 posted 01/08/03 2:51am

AaronUnlimited

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grow the fuck up already.
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Reply #32 posted 01/08/03 3:16am

Aerogram

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Truth be told, I myself wrote a message to a Montreal critic over an article he wrote about the Stones... this very weekend. The difference is... I didn't write it as a Stone fan, but because the writer's pronouncement were cliched and pretentious -- like "if you want real rock, go to a dive and listen to a garage band, not to a Stones concert". I wasn't pissed because he attacked the Stones, but because he acted as if HE knew what authentic rock n roll is. And since he just supports garage bands, then he's as much of a consumer of the rock myth as any fan at a Stonss concert.

I don't believe in writing to critics as a fan, because I know I'm favorably biased by definition and that my opinion will be discarded. However, I started my Stones message by stating I was not at all a big fan and was a bit tired of the Stones as well. Hopefully, he read my email, but I worte it mostly to get it off my chest.
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Reply #33 posted 01/08/03 3:19am

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There's a writing campaign?? :O Good Lord... lol
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #34 posted 01/08/03 3:39am

NPGMCsucks

NPD313 said:

The reason I'm making such a big deal out of this is because they've been dissing his work non stop since the name change and battle w/ Warners and half of these idiots give Britney and Backstreet boys all the credit for great music when its just simple bubble gum tunes that have no place in our memory within the next 20years...plus any new artist like a 'Maxwell' or 'Remy' or 'Alicia Keys' are often compared to Prince, sorry to say when you purchase these records and praise them...your actually getting a prince record...because thats who their sound is like, and who they look up too...so why bite the hand that feeds them?
Prince is an inspiration for so many artist new and old...and I don't think this review was in good favor of the artist himself, the music was completely overlooked...Like I said its always a personal issue!
He still delivers great quality work and I'm not just saying this from a fans point, but as a singer, musician and real music lover..Prince will blow these young ppl who think are our future Prince's, kings and Queens of pop off the stage anyday!

Thats why I'm writing VIBE about this continuous diss on Prince's Music.
He was doomed from the start, because it appears now he's caught in a mold in other ppl's minds and they can't seem to let the past be over and move on the whats new (THE FUTURE)!
He's an ever evolving artist that needs space to grow and he's maturing very well...If Madonna test out new music, she's quote on quote trend setting and trail blazing and setting new ways to come with something exciting and refreshing, when truth is she samples and just takes everything thats been done in another (foreign) country and tries it on us and because she's madonna, the suppose mom of reinvention, it works for her...because she's never gave the indusrty any gripe, just shut up and did what she needed to do to kiss their butts! But prince plays everything and sings, he doesn't need their help, only to release records and their afraid , so they shut him out now...because he could be so much greater than Micheal and Madonna now...and its just a shame, so I'm gonna be one of the first to take up for him! because he's GREAT AND HIS BOX SET IS WONDERFUL!!! POINT BLANK.


What are you talking about? Did you not see the several page interview and cover photo of Prince on Vibe shortly after he changed his name in 1994? The magazine has been checking in on Prince for years, they certainly don't ignore him.

When Prince first came out he was dismissed as generic R&B as well. It wasn't till a couple albums later, Dirty Mind, where people started to take him seriously.

Are you really bothered that someone else's opinion, who happens to be different than yours, is reaching more readers? Do you loose sleep over this?
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Reply #35 posted 01/08/03 3:46am

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grow the fuck up already.


Hey Aaron who's the girl in your pick?Is that the new supermodel?She looks GREAT!
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Reply #36 posted 01/08/03 3:49am

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Another prediction is warranted :

AMP will start a Congratulation Vibes Campaign!


You think I'm joking? The way this anti-Vibes campaign idea is going, this community will get the Palme d'Or of sensitivity.
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Reply #37 posted 01/08/03 5:42am

MrPRN

Ok here we go again. NPD313 - i totally agree w/you. Somebody has to start making a change. If we as Prince fans continue to think that there's nothing we can do then what does being a fan mean to you. This is America last time I checked and we are free to fight against things we don't like and personally I don't like negative comments about Prince. Prince as a musician deserves much more respect than these so-called writers & critics would want to give him and that his talent deserves. So for one as a Prince fan I think we need to try to take it!!! and speak out against the negative things we hear or read about him.
From listening to Prince's music I have a deeper respect for how a note sounds even though I can't play a lick. It takes a lot of thought and creativity to put a bunch of notes together and make them sound good. So I think the only one who should be able to criticize music is a musician. And to all of you who think we can't make a change by speaking up, grow up. As his fans, we have a responsibility to enlighten & educate others to the depth of Prince. This is only for the real Prince fans, not you wannabees. And this is coming from a deep purple bleeding muthafucker who loves the man, the baddest musician in my lifetime.Prince

For those who don't know my real name is Ricco The Artist.
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Reply #38 posted 01/08/03 5:45am

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npd313...ermm are you ok? confused i worry... In best nagging marge simpson voice Mmmm!
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Reply #39 posted 01/08/03 2:06pm

DavidEye

Good luck,guys,with your writing campaign.I doubt that you're gonna change that critics' mind,but hey,at least you guys are dedicated fans smile
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Reply #40 posted 01/08/03 2:13pm

NPGMCsucks

MrPRN said:

Ok here we go again. NPD313 - i totally agree w/you. Somebody has to start making a change. If we as Prince fans continue to think that there's nothing we can do then what does being a fan mean to you. This is America last time I checked and we are free to fight against things we don't like and personally I don't like negative comments about Prince. Prince as a musician deserves much more respect than these so-called writers & critics would want to give him and that his talent deserves. So for one as a Prince fan I think we need to try to take it!!! and speak out against the negative things we hear or read about him.
From listening to Prince's music I have a deeper respect for how a note sounds even though I can't play a lick. It takes a lot of thought and creativity to put a bunch of notes together and make them sound good. So I think the only one who should be able to criticize music is a musician. And to all of you who think we can't make a change by speaking up, grow up. As his fans, we have a responsibility to enlighten & educate others to the depth of Prince. This is only for the real Prince fans, not you wannabees. And this is coming from a deep purple bleeding muthafucker who loves the man, the baddest musician in my lifetime.Prince

For those who don't know my real name is Ricco The Artist.


Trying to snuff out someone's opinion of AN ALBUM because it differs from your own is absurd. You can't force someone to like his music just because you do.

You need help.
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Reply #41 posted 01/08/03 2:42pm

Neversin

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NPD313 said:

*My thing is, if you don't have anything good to say, don't say it at all

That's a pathetic statement... Afraid of a little criticism?


*I stopped taking Vibe seriously when they stopped taking music seriously. Years ago.

*too be Honest most of the Music Magazines today don't take Music too Seriously nowadays IMHO.Vibe is like a Puffy Production:they Sample Rolling Stone,The Source,Entertainment Weekly,Slam Magazine,XXL,People,Us,etc... without ever having there own idenity.but then again all those above Magazines fall into that category IMHO.

Than why are you reading them??
Why are you getting all mad about some review??


*D&P the best thing on the album, huh? This review is Shht.

That's just your opinion, there are people who actually agree with this review... Just because you think it's a great CD set doesn't make it a great CD set... It's just your opinion, just like the review is the writers opinion, he's also entitled to one just like you are...

Neversin.
O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
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Reply #42 posted 01/08/03 5:49pm

GIOVANNI

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There opinion really aint thought out Vibes review was just a shot in the dark they dont know what they are sayin or reviewing for that matter. They just wrote some stereo typical prince review. Its NOT an opinion they didnt take the time to form one. And because I called them on it or anyone else...which I dont see that anyone else said they did... doesn't mean I am sayin that they cant have a negative opinion, I could give a rats ass If they have a negative opinion, IF its reasonable, but they DID NOT TAKE THEY TIME TO FORM A REAL OPINION...crystball a spritual release, WTF!...YOU GROW THE FUCK UP!...whats so unreasonable about what I posted here that I said to VIBE, YOU dont even know everything I wrote to them...so for you to think I just wrote as a raving mad prince fan your WRONG buddy...I wrote in a general manner, BUT pertaining to the review of Prince, and how it shows that thier reviews arent credable for ANYONE they review. AND yes it is our responsibility too be the word of mouth for prince as prince fans...thats what his livly hood is depending on thats what the NPGMC is based on is our TRUTH & LOVE for this artist NOT some hyped up commercialized souless crap. PEACE!
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Reply #43 posted 01/08/03 7:23pm

ZAZA2

Are any of you that are writing & complaining to VIBE actual readers or subscribers? If you are not consumers of their mag why should they care what you think? Now if you are a subscriber & cancel your subscription over this article that they might notice.
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Reply #44 posted 01/08/03 7:35pm

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ZAZA2 said:

Are any of you that are writing & complaining to VIBE actual readers or subscribers? If you are not consumers of their mag why should they care what you think? Now if you are a subscriber & cancel your subscription over this article that they might notice.



I'm a subscriber...
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Reply #45 posted 01/08/03 7:47pm

NPGMCsucks

GIOVANNI said:

cosign MrNPR.

There opinion really aint thought out Vibes review was just a shot in the dark they dont know what they are sayin or reviewing for that matter. They just wrote some stereo typical prince review. Its NOT an opinion they didnt take the time to form one. And because I called them on it or anyone else...which I dont see that anyone else said they did... doesn't mean I am sayin that they cant have a negative opinion, I could give a rats ass If they have a negative opinion, IF its reasonable, but they DID NOT TAKE THEY TIME TO FORM A REAL OPINION...crystball a spritual release, WTF!...YOU GROW THE FUCK UP!...whats so unreasonable about what I posted here that I said to VIBE, YOU dont even know everything I wrote to them...so for you to think I just wrote as a raving mad prince fan your WRONG buddy...I wrote in a general manner, BUT pertaining to the review of Prince, and how it shows that thier reviews arent credable for ANYONE they review. AND yes it is our responsibility too be the word of mouth for prince as prince fans...thats what his livly hood is depending on thats what the NPGMC is based on is our TRUTH & LOVE for this artist NOT some hyped up commercialized souless crap. PEACE!


you need help
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Reply #46 posted 01/08/03 7:52pm

ZAZA2

soulflower said:

ZAZA2 said:

Are any of you that are writing & complaining to VIBE actual readers or subscribers? If you are not consumers of their mag why should they care what you think? Now if you are a subscriber & cancel your subscription over this article that they might notice.



I'm a subscriber...


If you write them those should be your first words:
As a subcriber to VIBE I was very disappointed by your review of Prince's latest cd One Nite Alone Live.
Keep mentioning thru out your letter that you are a subscriber. Say you love VIBE but this could effect your choice come renewal time.Don't complain so much as act puzzled by the negative review.
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Reply #47 posted 01/08/03 8:05pm

GIOVANNI

oh thanx for the advise thats what i did b
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Reply #48 posted 01/08/03 8:06pm

MrPRN

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Reply #49 posted 01/08/03 8:07pm

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Reply #50 posted 01/08/03 8:14pm

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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not upset that the reviewer did not like the album. I wouldn't consider writing a magazine to try and change someone's opinion. As I stated before, I'm of the mindset that the 'mediocre' rating was given because the reviewer was expecting hits, but did not get quite as many as he hoped. I honestly think his review would have been totally different if this had been a live CD composed entirely of hits. I felt like he graded 'ONA Live' based upon what wasn't there, not what is...I'm not trying to change his opinion.
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Reply #51 posted 01/08/03 8:17pm

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Reply #52 posted 01/08/03 8:30pm

MrPRN

soulflower said:[quote]I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not upset that the reviewer did not like the album. Not trying to change yor mind soulflower but if people would not have been upset when Rosa Parks went thru what she went thru do u think change would have happened? it takes certain things to get people motivated to make a change!!!




I wouldn't consider writing a magazine to try and change someone's opinion. that opinion can't be changed but we can make sure they take more time to review the next Prince album, see...


As I stated before, I'm of the mindset that the 'mediocre' rating was given because the reviewer was expecting hits, but did not get quite as many as he hoped. I honestly think his review would have been totally different if this had been a live CD composed entirely of hits. I felt like he graded 'ONA Live' based upon what wasn't there, not what is... so do you feel that was right?, if he wasnt capable of grading an prince album or any real musician for that matter then he shouldn't be doing it, sorry I think Prince knows his Rainbowchildren can handle this, and we will
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Reply #53 posted 01/08/03 8:36pm

HolyWine

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Good luck,guys,with your writing campaign.I doubt that you're gonna change that critics' mind,but hey,at least you guys are dedicated fans smile


Well said, DavidEye. And though we may not change that critic's mind we have every possibility of making an impact on Vibe on this issue. I totally agree with those who are saying that we need to speak up in situations like this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which means we also, as Prince's fans, have not only the right to speak our minds as much as we want but also the responsibility to critique the reviewers' opinions and add our analyses to present a clearer overall picture of Prince and his music. Dedicated fans who not only enjoy but study his music and have followed his career for years are well equipped to debate negative comments. I applaud anyone who speaks out on Prince's behalf for all of us who love and appreciate him and his music and all the positivity and love he gives us. music
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Reply #54 posted 01/08/03 8:44pm

MrPRN

HolyWine said:

DavidEye said:

Good luck,guys,with your writing campaign.I doubt that you're gonna change that critics' mind,but hey,at least you guys are dedicated fans smile


Well said, DavidEye. And though we may not change that critic's mind we have every possibility of making an impact on Vibe on this issue. I totally agree with those who are saying that we need to speak up in situations like this. Everyone is entitled to their opinion which means we also, as Prince's fans, have not only the right to speak our minds as much as we want but also the responsibility to critique the reviewers' opinions and add our analyses to present a clearer overall picture of Prince and his music. Dedicated fans who not only enjoy but study his music and have followed his career for years are well equipped to debate negative comments. I applaud anyone who speaks out on Prince's behalf for all of us who love and appreciate him and his music and all the positivity and love he gives us. music


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Reply #55 posted 01/08/03 8:52pm

MrPRN

MPGMCsucks this is not the way Prince wants me to be, and I'm not gonna start my Year off this way, fighting... so all the negitive things I've said I take back, no matter what you say back does not matter, but this vibe thing has to stop. One million people, One voice, One cause can get it done, and that's where I'm gonna start so for the New Year my moto is "NPGMC, One Voice", Peace pray
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Reply #56 posted 01/08/03 9:06pm

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MrPRN said:[quote]

soulflower said:

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not upset that the reviewer did not like the album. Not trying to change yor mind soulflower but if people would not have been upset when Rosa Parks went thru what she went thru do u think change would have happened? it takes certain things to get people motivated to make a change!!!




I wouldn't consider writing a magazine to try and change someone's opinion. that opinion can't be changed but we can make sure they take more time to review the next Prince album, see...


As I stated before, I'm of the mindset that the 'mediocre' rating was given because the reviewer was expecting hits, but did not get quite as many as he hoped. I honestly think his review would have been totally different if this had been a live CD composed entirely of hits. I felt like he graded 'ONA Live' based upon what wasn't there, not what is... so do you feel that was right?, if he wasnt capable of grading an prince album or any real musician for that matter then he shouldn't be doing it, sorry I think Prince knows his Rainbowchildren can handle this, and we will



Like I said before...a few times...I'm not mad at the reviewer's opinion. I just don't think it was fair. Reading the review made me wonder if he even listened to the entire album. Saying much of the material was taken from 'Crystal Ball?' Come on now! I'll say this again, I think his negative review was based on lack of hits, not on the music that is there. And no, I don't think that's fair. An album is supposed to be reviewed by what's on it, not what hits were left out. Not just for Prince, but for any artist.

I think we're kinda on the same page, Mr.PRN.. wink
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Reply #57 posted 01/08/03 9:11pm

GIOVANNI

music music music music music music music
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Reply #58 posted 01/08/03 9:13pm

MrPRN

soulflower said:[quote]

MrPRN said:

soulflower said:

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not upset that the reviewer did not like the album. Not trying to change yor mind soulflower but if people would not have been upset when Rosa Parks went thru what she went thru do u think change would have happened? it takes certain things to get people motivated to make a change!!!




I wouldn't consider writing a magazine to try and change someone's opinion. that opinion can't be changed but we can make sure they take more time to review the next Prince album, see...


As I stated before, I'm of the mindset that the 'mediocre' rating was given because the reviewer was expecting hits, but did not get quite as many as he hoped. I honestly think his review would have been totally different if this had been a live CD composed entirely of hits. I felt like he graded 'ONA Live' based upon what wasn't there, not what is... so do you feel that was right?, if he wasnt capable of grading an prince album or any real musician for that matter then he shouldn't be doing it, sorry I think Prince knows his Rainbowchildren can handle this, and we will



Like I said before...a few times...I'm not mad at the reviewer's opinion. I just don't think it was fair. Reading the review made me wonder if he even listened to the entire album. Saying much of the material was taken from 'Crystal Ball?' Come on now! I'll say this again, I think his negative review was based on lack of hits, not on the music that is there. And no, I don't think that's fair. An album is supposed to be reviewed by what's on it, not what hits were left out. Not just for Prince, but for any artist.

I think we're kinda on the same page, Mr.PRN.. wink



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Reply #59 posted 01/08/03 9:19pm

MrPRN

GIOVANNI said:

music music music music music music music

Now that's what I'm talkin' bout the Music...
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