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Thread started 09/21/09 3:06am

DamnUSexyMf

Where can prince go musically from now on?

Where can prince goe musically from now on?
from 4 u until lotus flower prince has covered many music styles from
minneapolis sound,pfunk,funk,soul,fusion,blues,rock.jazz,music unheard of b4,
new wave etc.
havin experienced so much fantastic versatile music by prince what now.
does he return 2 the funk a fusion album what?
[Edited 9/21/09 3:07am]
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Reply #1 posted 09/21/09 3:21am

Bohemian67

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I would need a few days to think about that. But an idea for now would be to hook up with Youssou n'dour or Mory Kante and bring out a world wide hit and/or album for the dance/club scene or pop charts. I would love more percussion razz
"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #2 posted 09/21/09 3:22am

purpledoveuk

DamnUSexyMf said:

Where can prince goe musically from now on?
from 4 u until lotus flower prince has covered many music styles from
minneapolis sound,pfunk,funk,soul,fusion,blues,rock.jazz,music unheard of b4,
new wave etc.
havin experienced so much fantastic versatile music by prince what now.
does he return 2 the funk a fusion album what?
[Edited 9/21/09 3:07am]



Difficult to say - there was a time when he was ahead of the game and everything was fresh but then, he got too big for his boots and though he knew better at which point he lost pretty much all creative filter and out out pretty much anything regardless if quality - this, for me, stared after D&P and seems to, with a few exceptions, carried on.

It's all opinion and many will disagree...butbyph have to ask what ever happened to Prince who would put out new B-sides and generate excitment ( it all died with The Morning Papers single) or is it a good thing that Prince now put out dancy tracks laden with drum machines when he used to shy away from it or even hate it.

For me he needs to convey that he still lives to record or just give up
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Reply #3 posted 09/21/09 3:27am

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Going along with current trends, drum machines etc is not a bad thing. There have been world wide hits which millions enjoy which produce using same.
However, in the end, Prince should create what makes him happy and not others. It's his profession and his love "music" and he should love doing what he does. Not feeling forced to do what others think he should do.
"Free URself, B the best that U can B, 3rd Apartment from the Sun, nothing left to fear" Prince Rogers Nelson - Forever in my Life -
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Reply #4 posted 09/21/09 3:31am

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My impression is that a lot of the new songs are already based on percussive sound, and I'm not complaining about that, but what I do notice is that he seldom has really strong melodies. It seems you get either sappy love songs that have melody (often too easy-sugary) or you get the nice bouncy stuff, but then the lyrics are often more spoken, percussive as well. That's what I liked about the 80's stuff; the combination of strong inventive rhythms, odd changes and soft melodies. f.i. Pink Cashmere, I wish you heaven, If I was your girlfriend, G&Bs,..
They often enhanced the effect of the lyrics while now there's a lot of balladic singing in there, but it hardly ever comes to a "wow"level, and it has the text just meandering about the place.
The HQ-er formerly known as krokostimpy.
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Reply #5 posted 09/21/09 4:49am

Dayclear

Prince's talents are endless. When he's reached the end of them, he can always start all over again. Never underestimate Prince.
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Reply #6 posted 09/21/09 6:45am

colorblu

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Prince's talents are endless. When he's reached the end of them, he can always start all over again. Never underestimate Prince.

yes cool
Prince seems to have an imagination that knows no boundaries, like our universe, infinate possibilites abound fro music headbang
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Reply #7 posted 09/21/09 7:00am

abigail05

if Prince truly wanted to do something revolutionary (for him) and blow us all away, he ought to try this:

let someone else produce. and get a co-writer.

I would be crazy excited to see what would happen. Until then, I'm still bored with his candy-ass music and overproduced records.
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Reply #8 posted 09/21/09 7:08am

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Good question.

He's done so much. The only thing I could imagine right now is Prince doing stuff he already started or alluded to in an completely uncompromising way. For example: Make a full album with new songs in unpolished garage rock style (a la The Undertaker); make a jazz album getting attention even in the jazz scene (a la News, but not that soft); make a retro electro-funk album early 80s style (a la MPLSound, but more hardcore), etc.
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Reply #9 posted 09/21/09 10:09am

ernestsewell

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.
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Reply #10 posted 09/21/09 10:41am

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Well we all should know as fans that he'll do what the hell he wants to, and why should that change after all these yrs. The second I can second guess his next move will surely be a disappointment.

I would however appreciate more live releases. The quality of his live performances has always been his great strength. Unfortunately mainstream hasn't seemed to catch onto this fact.
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Reply #11 posted 09/21/09 11:07am

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He can go anywhere he wants to. I'd love to see him release something that isn't musical fast food.
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Reply #12 posted 09/21/09 11:18am

Serena

ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.


I'll agree on releasing the vault stuff, but he still puts on fantastic live shows, so HELL NO to retiring!
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Reply #13 posted 09/21/09 11:21am

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Anywhere he wants!
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Reply #14 posted 09/21/09 1:16pm

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It would be cool to see him do a musical, if he still has ideas for movies, that is. He could release a DVD/CD of it, and do it like a tour cool
At this point in history, we have a choice to make
To either, walk the path of love, or be crippled by our hate
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Reply #15 posted 09/21/09 4:28pm

Mindflux

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purpledoveuk said:

DamnUSexyMf said:

Where can prince goe musically from now on?
from 4 u until lotus flower prince has covered many music styles from
minneapolis sound,pfunk,funk,soul,fusion,blues,rock.jazz,music unheard of b4,
new wave etc.
havin experienced so much fantastic versatile music by prince what now.
does he return 2 the funk a fusion album what?
[Edited 9/21/09 3:07am]



is it a good thing that Prince now put out dancy tracks laden with drum machines when he used to shy away from it or even hate it.


What's that supposed to mean? A lot of Prince's more acclaimed material uses a drum machine - he was also one of the first to commercially use a Linn drum machine and was regarded as a pioneer. Programmed beats have featured on almost every single album he's released. Furthermore, his music has been mainly dance orientated since his very first album.

People get so hung up on Prince's "real music" diatribes that they think anything using a computer or electronics is somehow cheating! Its not - to make great music out of these machines is just as difficult as with a real instrument, it requires musical expertise and feel. Give these machines to anyone without that talent and, whilst with a computer they could more easily arrange some sounds together than they could making a recording of real instruments, its still likely to sound shit!

Prince was referring to people not actually having any musical background and just being studio engineers - the ability to play real instruments give you a sensibility and discipline in the studio. Prince is more afraid that these skills will disappear if more just turn straight to the computer, rather than learning an instrument first.
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Reply #16 posted 09/21/09 4:32pm

kenlacam

purpledoveuk said:

DamnUSexyMf said:

Where can prince goe musically from now on?
from 4 u until lotus flower prince has covered many music styles from
minneapolis sound,pfunk,funk,soul,fusion,blues,rock.jazz,music unheard of b4,
new wave etc.
havin experienced so much fantastic versatile music by prince what now.
does he return 2 the funk a fusion album what?
[Edited 9/21/09 3:07am]



Difficult to say - there was a time when he was ahead of the game and everything was fresh but then, he got too big for his boots and though he knew better at which point he lost pretty much all creative filter and out out pretty much anything regardless if quality - this, for me, stared after D&P and seems to, with a few exceptions, carried on.

It's all opinion and many will disagree...butbyph have to ask what ever happened to Prince who would put out new B-sides and generate excitment ( it all died with The Morning Papers single) or is it a good thing that Prince now put out dancy tracks laden with drum machines when he used to shy away from it or even hate it.

For me he needs to convey that he still lives to record or just give up

Well said! I agree with this. biggrin
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Reply #17 posted 09/21/09 10:52pm

purpledoveuk

Mindflux said:

purpledoveuk said:




is it a good thing that Prince now put out dancy tracks laden with drum machines when he used to shy away from it or even hate it.


What's that supposed to mean? A lot of Prince's more acclaimed material uses a drum machine - he was also one of the first to commercially use a Linn drum machine and was regarded as a pioneer. Programmed beats have featured on almost every single album he's released. Furthermore, his music has been mainly dance orientated since his very first album.

People get so hung up on Prince's "real music" diatribes that they think anything using a computer or electronics is somehow cheating! Its not - to make great music out of these machines is just as difficult as with a real instrument, it requires musical expertise and feel. Give these machines to anyone without that talent and, whilst with a computer they could more easily arrange some sounds together than they could making a recording of real instruments, its still likely to sound shit!

Prince was referring to people not actually having any musical background and just being studio engineers - the ability to play real instruments give you a sensibility and discipline in the studio. Prince is more afraid that these skills will disappear if more just turn straight to the computer, rather than learning an instrument first.
[Edited 9/21/09 16:29pm]



What I mean is - for how many years has Prince poo pooed the electronic scene...all his rants about " if I want to listen to a machine I'll put some washing on" or "Real music by real musicians"... And now the well APPEARS to be running dry and suddenly it's Euro-pop all the way.

He'll become lime Madonna soon...she no longer releases music of her own because she just seems to sing over whichever is the most fashionalable producer at the time...Orbit, NERD, Dj Scooter, Pj & Duncan
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Reply #18 posted 09/22/09 2:00am

Dayclear

Serena said:

ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.


I'll agree on releasing the vault stuff, but he still puts on fantastic live shows, so HELL NO to retiring!

Right!
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Reply #19 posted 09/22/09 2:11am

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The last frontier of anybody with his talent level is TRUE collaboration and he dont have the personality for it. True collaboration, not the truncated hip hop interpretation ( the all so common "featuring" so and so) is what breaths new life into genuis's who've worn out certain themes and approaches. I still rave about questlove and the job he did with Al Green, he brought in new people and updated the textures that made Al's 70's output so great. But this would mean for prince trusting others, allowing folks a say in the studio and pretty much being vulnerable to a new route. We on this board offer so many names, and he could choose those he feels a real connection to musically (they dont have to be known) or it can be W&L.
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Reply #20 posted 09/22/09 5:14am

jcurley

EmancipationLover said:

Good question.

He's done so much. The only thing I could imagine right now is Prince doing stuff he already started or alluded to in an completely uncompromising way. For example: Make a full album with new songs in unpolished garage rock style (a la The Undertaker); make a jazz album getting attention even in the jazz scene (a la News, but not that soft); make a retro electro-funk album early 80s style (a la MPLSound, but more hardcore), etc.


I agree with this completely. Do a raw version of each genre. Prince has now become a victim of his own sophistication-he melds everything. I think the Truth album was quite a good example of just focusing on acoustic for example
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Reply #21 posted 09/22/09 5:24am

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When it comes to the vets, I don't expect anything revolutionary. I'm happy with current, good music that's true to their style as well as them playing their old hits.

I would say he should just continue to do what he's been doing and I'll be thrilled. Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth and Lotusflow3r run the spectrum of styles. Funk, Jazz, R&b, Pop, some hip-hop and good, rhytmic, blistering-guitar rock. Just stay on that path and I'm happy with it.
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Reply #22 posted 09/22/09 6:39am

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Dayclear said:

Prince's talents are endless. When he's reached the end of them, he can always start all over again. Never underestimate Prince.


thumbs up!
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Reply #23 posted 09/22/09 8:28am

rwn

ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.


If that´s really what you feel then you should just retire being a fan of Prince biggrin
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Reply #24 posted 09/22/09 8:44am

Imago

I would love to see him do a full on hip hop album or trip hop album.
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Reply #25 posted 09/22/09 9:12am

ernestsewell

rwn said:

ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.


If that´s really what you feel then you should just retire being a fan of Prince biggrin


Don't get all butt hurt over my statement. It's true though, he should retire. His music is bland, uninspired, over produced, and forgettable soon after the first couple of listens. 99% of the hard core fan base would rather have 1 disk full of vault material than 5 disks of "new power soul" shit he's making these days. Yeah, he can tour or play live. He'll always do that. But even HE doesn't care about the new stuff anymore, especially if he's still putting together medleys of early 80's material for a concert. For someone who doesn't think about the past in fear of getting old, he sure goes back there for a visit a lot.

Just let the fault free. Air the sombitch out, and let us have it! We all want a clean copy of "All My Dreams", "Computer Blue"'s full version, etc etc
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Reply #26 posted 09/22/09 9:29am

Serena

purpledoveuk said:

And now the well APPEARS to be running dry and suddenly it's Euro-pop all the way.



Considering the timing of the mixes going along with a European release, maybe that's why they're Euro-pop. smile
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Reply #27 posted 09/22/09 10:49am

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ernestsewell said:



It's true though, he should retire. His music is bland, uninspired, over produced, and forgettable soon after the first couple of listens. 99% of the hard core fan base would rather have 1 disk full of vault material than 5 disks of "new power soul" shit he's making these days. Yeah, he can tour or play live. He'll always do that. But even HE doesn't care about the new stuff anymore, especially if he's still putting together medleys of early 80's material for a concert. For someone who doesn't think about the past in fear of getting old, he sure goes back there for a visit a lot.

Just let the fault free. Air the sombitch out, and let us have it! We all want a clean copy of "All My Dreams", "Computer Blue"'s full version, etc etc


I'd challenge that 99% of his hardcore fanbase agree with yor statement. I don't.

Respect your opinion that he should retire but agin I disagree. i really enjoy LF album.

You know that the majority of artists with a career as long as Prince's need to play 'the hits' when they tour. maybe he'd like nothing better than to not have to. Fans - certainly casual ones - expect it.

But,imo, as Montreux/ Monoco showed, hits such as LRC were arranged differently and given a welcome new performance that even some of us hardcore fans enjoyed.

As for the vault - sure agree with you on that! lol
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Reply #28 posted 09/22/09 11:14am

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ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.

If Prince retires then he shouldn't release ANYTHING from that vault. If retirement is what he does, then it should be a complete wrap.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #29 posted 09/22/09 11:20am

SupaFunkyOrgan
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purplecam said:

ernestsewell said:

Prince needs to retire, and start releasing box sets or 2/3-CD sets of Vault material. Just start unloading it.

If Prince retires then he shouldn't release ANYTHING from that vault. If retirement is what he does, then it should be a complete wrap.

N

O


You want him to make money don't you? lol
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