Discuss.

Well, due to the fact that Trent's debut came 11 years after Prince's debut, obviously Prince was more of an influence to Trent than the other way around. Of course, Trent sampled Prince on at least 3 or 4 occasions in the early days of NIN.

Having said that, I am certain Prince listened intently to "Pretty Hate Machine" and "The Downward Spiral".

I feel the darkness of the "Come" album, especially tracks like "Pheromone" owed a debt to Trent and his sonic soundscape and imagery.

Two of my favorite artists of all time

Yay! I love the Trent Reznor threads. They're always so warm and friendly.

I heard Prince was a big fan of the Broken EP. Think I read that somewhere in a biography about Trent I was reading years ago. Prince wanted a kind of NIN sound when he made "Loose". (?)

PurpleMusiq8 said:

I hear it

PurpleMusiq8 said:

Who is Trent Razor?

SPOOKYGAS said:

Nobody

Dayclear said:

Don't be ridiculous.

Trent is the artist, vocalist, multi-instrumentalist and producer behind the band Nine Inch Nails. He's the one that produces all them music and writes all the songs. It's not even fair to call Nine Inch Nails a band really, as it's just Trent and the other members are always revolving and just used for live shows (although Trent has just retired NIN as a touring band)

He's one of the most critically acclaimed and commercially succesful rock artists of all time, as well as being a pioneer of new music industry business models since splitting with his longtime label Interscope back in 2007.

He's a genius and amazing musician and up there with Prince, not just as one of my favorite artists of all time, but as one of my most respected artists due to the fact that he also produces and plays everything himself, and has been a pioneer in the music industry. It's these reasons why he gets mentioned a lot on these forums and why some people feel the need to make snotty comments such as the one above. Grow up.

I have no idea who he is could someone enlighten me please

Bohemian67 said:

Read my post. It's literally one post above yours.

Militant said:

Which Nine Inch Nails songs contain Prince samples?

berniejobs said:

its a remix of head like a hole (opel) I think

Militant said:

Absolutely! When HLAH 1st came out, I was completely blown away in the same manner as when 1999 1st dropped. Actually, both P and Trent spoke in awe of each other throughout the past two decades and to this day hold tremendous respect 4 each other. Now IF they could get 2gether and try somethng, that would b the bomb in my book!

In relation to HLAH get this:

"A three-track version of this single was released in the UK. This version contains "Head Like a Hole (Opal)", which is not included on the US release, and starts using the beginning of "Tamborine" by Prince, taken from his album Around the World in a Day; it continues using a drum loop sampled from "Release It" taken from another Prince record, Graffiti Bridge. The saxophone in "Release It" can be heard before the drum loop begins. "Head Like A Hole (Copper)" samples the looping drum beat from "Body Language", by Queen."

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, P had cover this song at 1 of his shows at one point.

I did some further research and I found that P (and of course David Bowie who collaborated with Renzor on the classic "I'm Afraid of Americans") weren't the only 1s digging TR. Check this out.

According to recording engineer Rob Hoffman, Michael Jackson was a fan of The Downward Spiral.

http://www.gearslutz.com/...ost15.html

I hope Prince influenced Trent and NOT the other way around...

I find his music slightly depressing...

As already mentioned, the "Opal" version of "Head Like A Hole" does indeed sample Release It, and Tamborine.

But also, the NIN song "Ringfinger" from Pretty Hate Machine has a small sample of Alphabet Street.

I went to a NIN concert with a date one time and it was fun and a friend of his went with us, and....a year later the friend shot himself sry to be on a sad note
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it's odd how my favorite musicians always end up being connected in one way or another.

honestly...i was obsessed with Prince when i was like 12 - 14 years old...then left that obsession for Trent Reznor until about 2 or 3 months ago. Trent started being a bit of an a**hole since he got engaged recently, so i guess it was time (now that i'm 30) to pick up where i left off.

they really do share a lot of the same talent, and views on the music industry.

Militant said:

But how does he look in high heels, Prince can do all of the above and dance in heels.

Plus, Prince is in the thanks credits on the first (?) NIN record (together with Public Enemy)

yankem said:

That's right. In the liner notes to Pretty Hate Machine, Trent does thank Prince.

Wow, it's amazing how many comments were posted on this topic.

Look, the reason I brought this up was because I wanted to see who felt as strongly as I did when it came to Trent Reznor being a music industry pioneer. Sure, Prince was if I'm not mistaken the first to use the internet to his advantage as an independent artist, but Bowie and a few other big names have too. I think it's funny though that Prince wants us to pay $77 for a website which, I guess, has nothing on it, according to some of you (I didn't pay it). And he wanted us to pay for NPG Music Club when that was around, but I hear that that site was a lot more interactive. Trent Reznor on the other hand has sooo many cool resources on his website. Hell, the last 2 albums I downloaded for free (and still bought the physical copies), you can download programs so you can remix NIN songs for free, there's just so much going on. I just think that Prince, when Musicology came out, was all about getting the new generation of kids into music, learning how to play and whatnot, but to me it just doesn't seem like he cares about anyone. Trent, though, damn, dude's a visionary, even if it did start with Prince. It just seems like Trent cares and wants us to learn how to remix, how to program, how to create for ourselves.

I don't know, does anyone think Prince could take a page out of Trent's book? I am a diehard fan of the both of them, but in my opinion, the last few Prince albums have sucked. NIN never ceases to amaze me, both live and on record.

Discuss.


(A caring Trent edit).
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One of the mixes of Trent's 'head like a hole' maxi-single samples either Prince's "Release it" from Graffiti Bridge or "Tamborine" from ATWIAD, I believe.
I'll need to find it and listen to it again. But it definitely samples an old Prince song.

Trent thanks Prince for 'Kicking ass way beyond the call of duty' or some such thing on Pretty Hate Machine, and was actually going to do some work with Prince once.

The story goes that Trent was walking down the hall in the recording studio, and Prince walked passed him without even saying hello or acknowledging he was there. And this soured Trent's view of Prince as a person.

Trent also has been critical of Prince's recent releases, but I don't think this is a personal thing--Trent just tends to say whatever is on his mind whether it's PC or not.



I would be VERY surprised of Prince was influenced by Trent in any way, shape or form. Even songs like 'Loose' are more old Moby and Prodigy than NIN.



They're two artists that I really have admired while I grew up. I preferred NIN for the vast majority of the 90's but was a bigger Prince fan. I'd say, that Trent has developed a more honest, more direct, and more successful business model with his fans around the world through his website than Prince has.

But artistically both artists have been on cruise control for their previous releases, lotusflow3r showing the only sign of something refreshing in a few years.

I think what's happening is that Trent has become a lot less self-conscious about the music that he's making, thus releasing it quicker even if it sounds a bit unfinished. While Prince has been this way for ages.

Imago said:

Yea, that's in the biography I mentioned. Prince just seems like such a little diva.

pepper7 said:

Now, PortisHead is a razor blade band.

Trent's music gives a voice that connects with certain individuals because of what they are going through.

"I am not alone. Someone else feels like me."

Most get through what they are going through and become Republicans.

Also, everyone seems very happy after a NIN gig. I know I am elated and that's the connection I see between these two mavericks.

The chorus of "Black Sweat" has a NIN-like backing element on it, actually. I don't think Prince has listened to his music too much after he become more religious though, although who knows.

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According to Reznor's own words:

"I'll tell you a funny story about Prince. I was in this studio and I heard Prince was coming in. There was a time I thought he was awesome, but what a fucking creep! The rules were, you were never to say the word 'Prince', you had to write down that symbol. You were never to look at him, or talk to him unless he approached you first, shit like that. So he shows up in a limo, wearing a fluorescent pink jumpsuit, giant hair, a cane, huge heels and a lollipop. And he's wearing the worst women's perfume you've ever smelt. So he's got two giant bodyguards with him and there was nobody there who was gonna fuck with him! It turns out he wanted us to remix a track and make it harder--apparently he had Broken in his car for a long time. So then I see him at the other end of this hundred yard corridor, and there's only me and him walking towards each other. So we're getting closer, closer and...he walks right past me. I couldn't believe it, I don't care who you are, that's bullshit."

novabrkr said:

i know it wrong, i know it's bad mannered and ignorant but it still makes me laugh at how sick P can be. He needs to get that arrogance back in the recording studio.

legna said:

Name one of his happier more upbeat songs then...

pepper7 said:

I did not say his songs were "happy." His fans go to his gigs to release what ever ailed them during a "dark" time. Thus, many of his songs are upbeat.

"Head Like A Hole" "Terrible Lies"

My sister-in-law said after I took her to a NIN gig that Trent is disturbed, but then I told her he is not like that anymore. She observed all the smiling faces leaving the Palladium and agreed.