HatrinaHaterwitz said:

We were not forced to stick to Prince through his "slave" years when everyone thoght he was crazy, and we were not forced to join him for the TRC era and the One Nite Alone shows. Do you honestly think people stayed with him during those times because they saw it as their human duty or because they wanted to support Prince, the human being?

NO! We followed those career moves he made for one simple reason, and that is that we were expecting him to produce music or play live shows that would fascinate and entertain us. We did it for ourselves, and not for Prince Rogers Nelson, and even when we thought that his latest output was batshit, we were still hoping for the next moment of brilliance to come - because WE wanted to enjoy it!

He doesn't owe us anything, because he never begged for us to be there to start with. We went to his shows voluntarily, and we bought the records because it was our free will. If you think that your time with Prince is over because you can't accept his decisions anymore or you dislike his current music - fine, then draw a line and move on. But please don't act as if you bought a part of Prince, the person, just because you belong to the few people on the planet who know what songs are on "Newpower Soul".

EmancipationLover said:

EmancipationLover said:

Is somebody hacking my posts or something? Where do I say he owes us? Where do I say we were forced? Most times I did things for me, like sleeping on the sidewalk to get up front seats for one of his shows. Other times I did things just because it was to benefit him directly, like buying perfumes, incense, ear wraps and other crap I've never used or worn that's sitting in a box in my garage.

No I didn't have to do any of that but I did and I did because I wanted to. If we "old timers" hadn't continued to do that during his lean years, when the general public wouldn't give him the time of day, he would not be where he is now. Y'all love to say that his talent would have gotten him there anyway to that I say, "Oh really, what good is talent without an audience?"

That's not me saying he owes us, I'm just stating a well documented fact of life in the entertainment business. Why y'all are so afraid to even acknowledge that is beyond me?

funkyhead said:

yeah, but in the past when fans have been dissatisfied with his web ventures, he always managed to throw us a bone to shut us up. this time, i don't think he really cares if we were satisfied with his site or not. i think it's more to his benefit that many of us feel burned by this latest scheme. i don't think he has a lot of love for the internet, and i think the more he can do to distance himself from having anything to do with it, the better.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Listen, YOU SAID "where would the newbies be? Not interested in Prince in any way whatsoever because he would not have survived the 90's and early '00's without us!
and that is what I'm dissagreeing with. Take notes if you can't keep up ok?

you are sooooo dramatic! TMBGITW was a hit in what? 1994 right? so he wasn't too far off the beaten path...and even at his most obscure he was still gaining new fans. Nobody actually thought he was dead. You are exagerating to make a point..and it ain't workin'

Anxiety said:

But if thats the case, then why is Prince working with youtube? You dont do that if you are trying to get away from the internet.

jseven said:

Many of my friends are fams

I have no interest to change the minds of reasonable people. My issue is with those who refuse to admit that Prince has engaged in dispicable actions toward his fans. I can't gloss over obvious wrongs and it makes me want to destroy those who do. Can't stand puppets.

When asked I tell people Prince is my favorite ever of all time.....and that he's a stupid cunt

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[Edited 9/16/09 10:51am]

purplecam said:

easy to manage, other people can do it for him, free, public service, not limited to fans, money for him without an obligation to do a thing. also, it's an easy way to regulate youtube videos that are posted online. if the source isn't his channel, then it's contraband. seems like a good way to profit from and control his material with a minimum of effort for him.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

If you decided to buy merchandising crap from Prince just to fill his oh-so-empty bank accounts, then that's your business. I never bought any of this fammy shit, and the fact you did just makes it obvious that most so-called "haters" of today were the real kool-aid drinkers in the past.

Again: you did him a favour he never asked for. He offered you something. You decided, led by your free will, to buy it. End of story. There is no consequence to be concluded from it. If no one ever had bought a single Prince CD after 1994, he could be broke by now or become a music teacher at a Minneapolis high school or have a job with Watchtower press or who knows. But that would be HIS problem, and it never was your duty or my duty (and it never will be) to save him from reaching that point.

I acknowledge the fact that a strong and dedicated fan base has helped Prince (career-wise) through times with littel positive public attention. I completely deny though that any further conclusion regarding his personal behaviour today or in the future results from that fact.

EmancipationLover said:

of course you would. How can you stand the stench?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Do you mean the one you and your buddies try to implement here?
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EmancipationLover said:

At least you acknowledge the important part, thanks!

I just left there and he must have done a deal because they've got new stuff and it's under his name.
[Edited 9/16/09 12:45pm]

Dayclear said:

Not a bad idea he made an agreement with youtube. Viewers can even leave comments in relation to the vids/song played there and have discussions on it. So that's not a bad thing really.

2elijah said:

Hopefully we'll be able to link and do that here.

Wait so let me get this straight...

Fans were mad because Prince wouldn't let his music/videos get posted on YouTube.

Now fans are mad because he might have come to an agreement with YouTube to let his music/videos get posted?

And the main point of contention is that he charged for the disappointing Lotusflow3r website (which no one was forced to sign up for).

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Yup, makes a lot of sense, eh?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

But why bother linking it here, when the embedding is out anyway, and you still have to go straight to youtube to watch the videos? Youtube is already easy access, that also allows subscribers access to posting comments and discussing the videos/songs already.
[Edited 9/16/09 14:00pm]

2elijah said:

Because this is a forum dedicated to discussing Prince!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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Dismantling his fan base over the last 12 years but selling out large venues and having some chart success. Funny how he can do both at the same time.

Why don't you and all the people that are mad about LotusFlower dispute the charges with your credit card company or contact BBB and stop boring the fuck out of most of the sane members of this board with your non-stop bitching.

laurarichardson said:

Says the queen of bitchood

I didn't pay one red cent to join Lotusfail!

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Welcome 2 the Crazay World of Prince Fandom! Gotta luv it.

I think my question got lost in the debates.

Anyone know why the youtube screen shot on Dr. Funkenberry has a picture of prince playing 1999 on youtube, but all that I seem to be able to find on youtube are the 4 tracks by mplsound, 3 of which aren't even videos? Is the agreement to let youtube play all prince videos, or is it restricted to whatever amount Prince decides to publish.

Instead of complaining that Prince should further isolate his music to lotus, and continue his 15 year path towards an ever diminishing fan base, the only complaint should be that the amount of music accessible on YouTube is so minute. The only actual video, Crimson and Clover, has only been viewed 329 times.

Prince has so much material that he could make available, it's hard to understand why he would have his presence on youtube hyped yet have so little actual content. 1 actual video, 3 other songs with a slideshow. If he's getting paid for views, why not put enough stuff up to keep people watching for a while.

oh wow, alan dail, just realized I remember you from purple and black days!

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Actually, most of the fans bent over backwards to honor his requests regarding YouTube, partially because some fans respected his meticulously proprietary attitude toward his creative product, and partially because many fans were afraid Prince would sue us into the stone age. Of course there was grumbling at first, and of course, some people found their clever little ways around his "edict", but the majority of fans were very compliant, whether out of fear or respect or a mingling of both.



Because he's posting content we paid him to see with the understanding that we were not permitted to share it, though now that he's getting dollars from YouTube, that exclusivity is out the window. What is meant to be special and exclusive for his paying fan site members is only as "special and exclusive" as his next paycheck. This devalues a site that most of its paying members already feel was a rip-off.



Nobody forces anyone to buy any album or concert ticket or fan site membership, or any entertainment/luxury product for that matter. But if you're a fan of a particular artist, of course you WANT to be part of an official/exclusive fan experience. And if you admire that artist, you'd LIKE to have faith that they're going to deliver something satisfying to the fans. So no, nobody was "forced" to sign up for anything, but I hate this whole double-standard argument from fammish types that's all, "you complain about lotusflow3r.com but it's your fault for joining because everyone knows his web sites are a rip-off"

HOLD THE PHONE

so because some of us actually HAD FAITH in prince and gave him ONE MORE CHANCE to produce a decent online fan site, and because we had our faith cut down by the disappointment that was lotusflow3r.com, that's somehow ON US? i mean, okay. caveat emptor. and really, i was tossing my $77 into the wind and hoping something pretty flew back at me when *I* joined - believe me, i knew what was up - but if we pay our money and a significant number of people feel they didn't get their money's worth, then guess what? that's just how it is. if the little video game thinger you got for $77 was all you dreamed of and more, that's super for YOU. but ya can't be all "prince can do no wrong!" and at the same time be all "prince's sites are bogus so it's your fault" at people who are just voicing their dissatisfaction. there's some really stale pretzel logic going on there and it doesn't get a pass from me, sorry.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

But that's what I mean, they have discussions here about his music already and if the embedding is taken off one of his vids from youtube posted here, it's going to lead you straight to youtube anyway, linking you to his other vids there that he allows youtube to display. So, his other vids will be getting a bunch of hits too, but I'm sure you know that already. (just messing with you)

I'm glad he is making agreements to have his vids on youtube. More exposure, and a wider audience. I just hope he does not forget to put the "Question of U" and "Willing and Able" vids on there....hopefully...<--- Ya know.. ..I'm just sayin' I'm looking forward to see what other vids he puts up on youtube, that's all.
[Edited 9/16/09 19:48pm]

Ifsixwuz9 said:

This made me lol

Anxiety said:

Some of Prince's fans will never be happy no matter what.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

BUT, you are boring the fuck out of most of the sane members of this board with your non-stop bitching nonetheless...