Anxiety said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Wait so let me get this straight...
Because he's posting content we paid him to see with the understanding that we were not permitted to share it, though now that he's getting dollars from YouTube, that exclusivity is out the window. What is meant to be special and exclusive for his paying fan site members is only as "special and exclusive" as his next paycheck. This devalues a site that most of its paying members already feel was a rip-off. And the main point of contention is that he charged for the disappointing Lotusflow3r website (which no one was forced to sign up for).
Nobody forces anyone to buy any album or concert ticket or fan site membership, or any entertainment/luxury product for that matter. But if you're a fan of a particular artist, of course you WANT to be part of an official/exclusive fan experience. And if you admire that artist, you'd LIKE to have faith that they're going to deliver something satisfying to the fans. So no, nobody was "forced" to sign up for anything, but I hate this whole double-standard argument from fammish types that's all, "you complain about lotusflow3r.com but it's your fault for joining because everyone knows his web sites are a rip-off" HOLD THE PHONE so because some of us actually HAD FAITH in prince and gave him ONE MORE CHANCE to produce a decent online fan site, and because we had our faith cut down by the disappointment that was lotusflow3r.com, that's somehow ON US? i mean, okay. caveat emptor. and really, i was tossing my $77 into the wind and hoping something pretty flew back at me when *I* joined - believe me, i knew what was up - but if we pay our money and a significant number of people feel they didn't get their money's worth, then guess what? that's just how it is. if the little video game thinger you got for $77 was all you dreamed of and more, that's super for YOU. but ya can't be all "prince can do no wrong!" and at the same time be all "prince's sites are bogus so it's your fault" at people who are just voicing their dissatisfaction. there's some really stale pretzel logic going on there and it doesn't get a pass from me, sorry. Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing. And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. . [Edited 9/17/09 8:46am] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: I damn sure would, if I couldn't have what I wanted. That's the difference between you and I. If Prince were to invite me to dinner, I'd want something that I like to eat and would expect to be able to have that. If I couldn't, yes I would have a problem with it and would say so to Prince because I'm not afraid to speak up for myself to anybody. If Prince were to invite you to dinner and served you 3 bean sprouts and some parsley because that's what he wanted, you wouldn't say a word. Even though you haven't eaten anything all day because you were looking so forward to eating dinner with Prince. Who do you think Prince would respect more? Me for saying, "Prince, I can't eat this bird food, man! I need some real food because I haven't eaten all day." Or you, sitting around for the rest of the evening with your stomach growling so hard, it's drowning out the conversation? . [Edited 9/17/09 5:29am] Don't worry I'm sure Prince would bring out some pancakes... | |
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MuyMalaPersona said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: I damn sure would, if I couldn't have what I wanted. That's the difference between you and I. If Prince were to invite me to dinner, I'd want something that I like to eat and would expect to be able to have that. If I couldn't, yes I would have a problem with it and would say so to Prince because I'm not afraid to speak up for myself to anybody. If Prince were to invite you to dinner and served you 3 bean sprouts and some parsley because that's what he wanted, you wouldn't say a word. Even though you haven't eaten anything all day because you were looking so forward to eating dinner with Prince. Who do you think Prince would respect more? Me for saying, "Prince, I can't eat this bird food, man! I need some real food because I haven't eaten all day." Or you, sitting around for the rest of the evening with your stomach growling so hard, it's drowning out the conversation? . [Edited 9/17/09 5:29am] Don't worry I'm sure Prince would bring out some pancakes... And we'd still have a problem because I like waffles. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MuyMalaPersona said: Don't worry I'm sure Prince would bring out some pancakes... And we'd still have a problem because I like waffles. With maple syrup and jam? | |
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Tremolina said: JayJai said: Errrrrbody just needs to CTFO!
Nobody can bitch back the past and change it! , take a and have some Nothing personal jayjay, but seriously, who needs a chillpill here really? That would have to be all the fams getting their panties in a bunch over a couple of fans complaining about prince's bullshit website. People have every right to complain about his website since they paid 77$ for shit. Doesn't matter that they were stupid for joining in the 1st place, even tho they were stupid. They paid him 77$ to get "exclusive" stuff only to find they can get that stuff for free or much cheaper elsewhere. That's bad business practice. Fams complain that others are complaining. Well, if you don't like the complaining why do you guys complain back? And why don't you guys take a hike off this thread if you dont like it? Or do you really believe you are helping prince with your "support"? Once again people are getting all in an uproar over a RUMOR thread. There is ONE video, Crimson & Clover which is on YouTube, PRESUMABLY on a Prince approved channel. There are a lot more videos on the Lotus site, including the new live ones. Do you have any boots, Tremolina? If so, consider the $77 your payment to him for those. | |
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Prince has MANY videos on youtube right now, but he has NOT approved them. (so they say). [Edited 9/17/09 9:31am] | |
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Dayclear said: Prince has MANY videos on youtube right now, but he has NOT approved them. (so they say).
[Edited 9/17/09 9:31am] I mean the Mplsound channel. | |
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porfyrivrohi said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Says the queen of bitchood
I didn't pay one red cent to join Lotusfail! BUT, you are boring the fuck out of most of the sane members of this board with your non-stop bitching nonetheless... Yet you can't help typing responses to my boring ass shit! I hope to bore the fams the hell off this board. I hated NPGMC the forum but damn did it serve a purpose. The floons were happy there and we were happy here. . [Edited 9/17/09 12:12pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Prince is such a money hog. Heck yes I want him to allow his stuff on youtube, but not under these concieted circumstances! I would want him to do it for the love of fans and the younger generation. "Not to sound cosmic, but I've made plans for the next 3,000 years," he says. "Before, it was only three days at a time." | |
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Serena said: Do you have any boots, Tremolina? If so, consider the $77 your payment to him for those.
I haven't joined serena. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: pplrain said: You know I think if Prince invited some of his so called fans for a sit down dinner.... they would find something to complain about. I damn sure would, if I couldn't have what I wanted. That's the difference between you and I. If Prince were to invite me to dinner, I'd want something that I like to eat and would expect to be able to have that. If I couldn't, yes I would have a problem with it and would say so to Prince because I'm not afraid to speak up for myself to anybody. If Prince were to invite you to dinner and served you 3 bean sprouts and some parsley because that's what he wanted, you wouldn't say a word. Even though you haven't eaten anything all day because you were looking so forward to eating dinner with Prince. Who do you think Prince would respect more? Me for saying, "Prince, I can't eat this bird food, man! I need some real food because I haven't eaten all day." Or you, sitting around for the rest of the evening with your stomach growling so hard, it's drowning out the conversation? . [Edited 9/17/09 5:29am] I will chalk this as a drunk response... It's OK, you don't have to explain anything to me.. If Prince invited me to dinner...LOL, I would eat before I go [Edited 9/17/09 14:33pm] | |
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Tremolina said: Serena said: Do you have any boots, Tremolina? If so, consider the $77 your payment to him for those.
I haven't joined serena. So what the hell are you complaining about.. | |
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Dayclear said: Prince has MANY videos on youtube right now, but he has NOT approved them. (so they say).
[Edited 9/17/09 9:31am] Link? | |
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pplrain said: Dayclear said: Prince has MANY videos on youtube right now, but he has NOT approved them. (so they say).
[Edited 9/17/09 9:31am] Link? I've gone to youtube and find maybe one or 2 prince videos. The rest is a real prince from arabia 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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pplrain said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: I damn sure would, if I couldn't have what I wanted. That's the difference between you and I. If Prince were to invite me to dinner, I'd want something that I like to eat and would expect to be able to have that. If I couldn't, yes I would have a problem with it and would say so to Prince because I'm not afraid to speak up for myself to anybody. If Prince were to invite you to dinner and served you 3 bean sprouts and some parsley because that's what he wanted, you wouldn't say a word. Even though you haven't eaten anything all day because you were looking so forward to eating dinner with Prince. Who do you think Prince would respect more? Me for saying, "Prince, I can't eat this bird food, man! I need some real food because I haven't eaten all day." Or you, sitting around for the rest of the evening with your stomach growling so hard, it's drowning out the conversation? . [Edited 9/17/09 5:29am] I will chalk this as a drunk response... It's OK, you don't have to answer to me.. If I were drunk, there'd have been excessive cursing involved. I only cursed once! So...would you be brave enough to tell Prince that you didn't want to eat his bird food or would you keep quiet and sit there hungry? I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: pplrain said: I will chalk this as a drunk response... It's OK, you don't have to answer to me.. If I were drunk, there'd have been excessive cursing involved. I only cursed once! So...would you be brave enough to tell Prince that you didn't want to eat his bird food or would you keep quiet and sit there hungry? She'd be shitting sticks the next morning 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: pplrain said: I will chalk this as a drunk response... It's OK, you don't have to answer to me.. If I were drunk, there'd have been excessive cursing involved. I only cursed once! So...would you be brave enough to tell Prince that you didn't want to eat his bird food or would you keep quiet and sit there hungry? I would eat before I go.. hell Prince won't starve ME! I would peck at his bird food .. just to be polite. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: If I were drunk, there'd have been excessive cursing involved. I only cursed once! So...would you be brave enough to tell Prince that you didn't want to eat his bird food or would you keep quiet and sit there hungry? She'd be shitting sticks the next morning I know it! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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Why should anyone behave differently being a guest at Prince's place than being a guest of someone else? I would never tell my host that the food they prepared is shit. I would find an excuse to leave early and get myself a slice of pizza instead. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing.
And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. | |
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bsk3601 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing.
And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. It's hard to resist the purple vortex 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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bsk3601 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing.
And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. So Prince has created a situation in which long-term fans should NOT support any online venture he ever does? Therefore only new and non-fans should join? And we don't care if they get ripped off because they deserve it? And no one should complain about that situation because Prince has a history of doing this and therefore that excuses all his current and future actions? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: bsk3601 said: Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. It's hard to resist the purple vortex The power of the purple compels thee. Until you just have to say, wait one freaking paisley picking minute... Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me for the umpteenth time, save me Jesus I've been a fool! . [Edited 9/17/09 15:13pm] I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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pplrain said: Tremolina said: I haven't joined serena. So what the hell are you complaining about.. I am complaining about you complaining about supa and haterina complaining | |
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bsk3601 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing.
And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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bsk3601 said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing.
And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. Same reasons, I didn't join... It's still amazing at the number of supposedly "old-school" fans who have the nerve to be pissed after the ever-so-consistent Prince track record. You're right. If I may add, it's odd to me that a lot of people who are doing the most complaining about the site are those who haven't joined it. Why does it matter so much to those people if they aren't a part of the situation? It's not like they can do anything to change it cause they're not involved. Some of them have this "I'm better than you" type of attitude because they didn't join and it's totally uncalled for. If the tables were turned, I wouldn't do that to you, so why do that to me or anyone else who did join? I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Efan said: So Prince has created a situation in which long-term fans should NOT support any online venture he ever does? Therefore only new and non-fans should join? And we don't care if they get ripped off because they deserve it? And no one should complain about that situation because Prince has a history of doing this and therefore that excuses all his current and future actions? i think you captured the fam manifesto in a nutshell. | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Well, Anx. See I didn't join Lostusflow3r because I had my doubts over what it would and would not be. I love Prince, but what was being offered (and based on his past history with websites) I was not throwing away my money. And given the fact that I could get the album for $12.00 at Target there was no reason for me to invest $77 in this venture. So I didn't lose a damn thing. And the fact that the press release focused mainly on the offering of pics and videos and one-off concert stops, I got the hint that members would not be getting loads of actual downloadble music. So yeah, for those long time fans that know how he rolls with this type of stuff, it is on you. Now, for the newbies who didn't know any better yeah it sucks. But then again all they needed to do was read one of the many, many posts of fans who gave detailed reasons why they would not join and they too could have saved themselves $77. It's only "on me" inasmuch as the saying "buyer beware" applies. To be honest, in previous incarnations of Prince's pay-to-play web site ventures, I always felt like I got my money's worth, regardless of whether or not we actually got all the stuff he hinted at during interviews and pre-launch hype, so I felt there could be a 50/50 chance that LF.com could actually be something worth joining. I was fully prepared for the 50% chance that the site could turn out to be a big lemon...which, of course, it was. Taking that gamble was the only thing that was "on me", and I accepted that risk from the moment I clicked forked over my $77. That Prince can't be bothered to follow through on the site, and that he can't respond to the overwhelming dissatisfaction from his fans regarding the site by offering some meager trifle of content is on HIM, and it reflects on the amount of respect he has for his fans. If I paid my money and I didn't like what I got, I don't think it's at all inappropriate for me to return to an independent fan forum like this site and share my opinion with those who are on the fence about joining the site. There's absolutely no reason to join, and if someone could put their $77 to use in a better way, they should. I was lucky. I still had plenty of tax return money and I could afford the gamble at the time. And I got played by Prince. Oh well. NOW I can say "never again". | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: laurarichardson said: ----- Dismantling his fan base over the last 12 years but selling out large venues and having some chart success. Funny how he can do both at the same time. Why don't you and all the people that are mad about LotusFlower dispute the charges with your credit card company or contact BBB and stop boring the fuck out of most of the sane members of this board with your non-stop bitching. I didn't pay one red cent to join Lotusfail! ----- Then stop talking about it if you did not pay for it. The only queen of bitchhood on this board is you. You bitch and morn about P dismantling his fanbase while he continues to sell CDs and put money in his pocket none of which has any bearing on your life. Now why don't you go and eat dinner I think your mom is calling you. | |
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