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Printablevainandy said: What better way to attempt to get an artist to stop making what you don't like and start making what you do like, than to say..."Hey, that album sounded like shit".
Is it really necessary to insert smelly "shit" in an argument in order to express your dislike? How about "I don't like it" or even "I strongly dislike it for 1,2,3 reasons"??? That's how a civilized conversation can take place. Saying an album is "shit" offends not only the artist who made it but other people who happen to like it too! Why does one need to be rude and offensive to make a point? I think it's because some people have not been taught how to behave themselves and that has nothing to do with Prince or his quality of work whatsoever. vainandy said: And as for the people that absolutely can't stand to hear even one single negative comment about Prince, I think they may be thinking that Prince is reading their comments defending him. From what you said above I assume it's the other way around... It's people making the negative comments who believe that Prince is reading them... 
vainandy said: I don't know why they would feel the need to kiss his ass like that even if he is reading this site unless they are so obsessed and crazy enough to think that they will be rewarded in Prince's Purple Heaven after they die.
I will speak strictly about myself here: YES, I can't stand the rude negative comments as I can't stand bad manners in general. Especially when they're against people I'm fond of and have respect for. NO, I don't think Prince is reading this site and I didn't join in order to communicate with him. I'm neither obsessed nor crazy and I don't fantasize about bearing his children. (I may drool from time to time but that's part of the game as I see it  ) My wildest dream is to be at one of his concerts someday and that seems highly unlikely anyway.
I've been accused of ass-kissing before (on other artists' fan-forums), or even of having financial benefits, because some people are inherently suspicious and can't conceive how someone can be nice and giving without gaining something in return. The truth is it's just my personal code of ethics. I'm a fan of artists that I admire for their work AND personality. I can't support someone whom I disapprove of. Those artists contribute to my happiness with their existence and I feel it's fair that I return some of those good vibes I receive from them to the other fans and the world. I like getting more people into appreciating them and I support them as good as I can. It feels the right thing to do. And positivity is the key. Moreover, bitching and bashing an artist in his own fan-forum is an unacceptable behaviour for me. It's like I've invited you to a party at my house and you come and insult me. I won't let you ruin my party and you will be surely kicked out in a snap! I've even been to fan-forums of artists I despise, but it never crossed my mind to insult the celebrated artist! That would be utterly disrespectful to his fans first of all! I can diss him anywhere else, but in his own "home"? Totally unacceptable! I am but mad north-northwest
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: assuming 88 is your birthyear, you're part of the generation that believes the Cher voicebox effect is proof that someone is a good singer.....
That wasn't an effect! It was Cher's ovaries vibrating in her throat, after one-too-many facelifts! | |
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Earth to you, this isn't Prince's site!  And yes, someone can use any and all language to describe both their likes and dislikes! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Earth to you, this isn't Prince's site!
And yes, someone can use any and all language to describe both their likes and dislikes! I'm receiving you Houston!
Yet a lot of you can't (don't want to) distinguish an opinion from an insult. And that's really sad. An insult has never and will never constitute an opinion. NEVER! Over... I am but mad north-northwest
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Jeffiner said: I think that's why he should do 'after party' style shows (as I've just said in another thread) where he can break loose of 'expectations' which he's probably totally bored of too! How many times can he do 'Kiss' and really enjoy it? At the Indigo2 shows he could ANYTHING and being such a good musician and having such a great band, he really could do anything. The night I was there we had Kylie Minogue's 'Can't Get You Out of My Head' just because he felt like it, it was the right vibe and mood, and it was fun, just an example! I really think that's where his future should lie. Where it's almost like a big jamming session depending on his mood and frame of mind. Seeing him live in a smaller venue like that is an incredible and amazing experience, still.... I think he needs to 'loosen up', forget the photoshoped image stuff, and over designed sets, and just BE the jaw dropping musician he is. Well, just my thoughts...
Also, no artist can go on and on indefinitely being innovative, I mean at some point, they're going to run out of new ideas / steam, it's natural even for someone as talented as Prince. I think we should give him a little bit of a break, yes he looks amazing, but he's 51, you know? And, dare I say it, but the Rolling Stones have been doing the same stuff for about 30 years, and no one seems to complain about them! I think we expect a lot from him... [Edited 9/9/09 12:31pm] Wow some of these threads.....i just don't even know  I think it really is all in ones perspective and i appreciate yours Jeffiner. I understand what your saying, but how do you define innovative? I don't see it as running out of ideas/steam - i see it more as where your at in your life and what direction do you want to going - what a wonderful and amazing time to be at in ones life when you can just go where the spirit moves you! I sure don't look at Stevie Wonder and watch him perform now and think he's lost innovation - for me though there are only a select few artists that have that amazing gift.
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[quote] porfyrivrohi said: vainandy said: What better way to attempt to get an artist to stop making what you don't like and start making what you do like, than to say..."Hey, that album sounded like shit".
Is it really necessary to insert smelly "shit" in an argument in order to express your dislike? How about "I don't like it" or even "I strongly dislike it for 1,2,3 reasons"??? That's how a civilized conversation can take place. Saying an album is "shit" offends not only the artist who made it but other people who happen to like it too! Why does one need to be rude and offensive to make a point? I think it's because some people have not been taught how to behave themselves and that has nothing to do with Prince or his quality of work whatsoever. Because we're not in a formal setting in here. We're not in church, we're not at work, we're not politicians trying to solve the world's problems, we are on a website discussing the music of an entertainer. We let our hair down around here. Let's get our priorities straight about what is more important here and whether or not someone doesn't like it because I say a particular album of Prince's sounds like "shit" does not matter in the least. Just like it doesn't matter if I don't like it because someone calls an album I like "shit" either. We're not trying to solve world hunger here, we're talking about music. From what you said above I assume it's the other way around... It's people making the negative comments who believe that Prince is reading them...
If you go back and read my original post carefully, you will see that I said some of both parties may believe Prince is reading this site. Moreover, bitching and bashing an artist in his own fan-forum is an unacceptable behaviour for me. It's like I've invited you to a party at my house and you come and insult me. I won't let you ruin my party and you will be surely kicked out in a snap! I've even been to fan-forums of artists I despise, but it never crossed my mind to insult the celebrated artist! That would be utterly disrespectful to his fans first of all! I can diss him anywhere else, but in his own "home"? Totally unacceptable!
Go up to the top of the page to the right of the "prince.org" logo. It says "independent and unofficial Prince fan community site". This site does not belong to Prince. And further more, I don't think I have ever in the whole time I've been on this site, insulted Prince on a personal level. I have criticized some of his music. And even if this site did belong to Prince, I would still give my honest opinion on his work that I like and dislike and I wouldn't sugarcoat it either. I would think that most real artists would appreciate a real honest opinion rather than an ass kissing one or even a sugarcoated one. But if they don't, oh well, fuck 'em. Oh, and I almost forgot, for someone who doesn't like "rude" and comes to support an artist who you admire for not only their work but their personality also, you do realize that artist you are supporting used to wear a pin that said "Rude Boy". So what's the problem here? You should be admiring me for being "rude". And I used that horrible naughty word "shit", hell I remember when Prince used to cuss also so you should really be admiring me right about now. 
. . . . [Edited 9/10/09 17:40pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Graycap23 said: Interesting.
I've have often wondered what music would have come from Prince if he had never converted 2 the J.Witness. I'm convinced that it is the primary reason 4 what u hear (or don't hear) in Prince's music 2day. Prince career has been a LONG journey.....and it's NOT ova. U mean he is "less" "erotic" ??? Like "Boom" would appear non-sexual at a passing glimpse...yet he has created a 2-fold perception of sensuality thru words... | |
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vainandy said: I think most of the negative comments about Prince come from people simply answering honestly as to whether or not they like particular songs. If someone starts a thread about a song and you don't like it, what should you do, lie and say you love it or just not respond? Hell naw, you're going to say how you really feel about the song because with everyone agreeing and loving everything around here, it would become very dull very quick. And when a negative thread gets started, I think a lot of that comes from the fact that this is the internet, and unlike the past, nowadays people are able to voice their opinion and others can actually hear it and may agree with it and feel the same way do. And also, you never know, Prince himself could be reading it and a lot of people may think that Prince reads the org since it's a site dedicated to him. I know I would be reading it if I were him. Some of the negative comments may be in hopes that Prince himself reads it. What better way to attempt to get an artist to stop making what you don't like and start making what you do like, than to say..."Hey, that album sounded like shit". Like Prince would really change anything anyway. Hell, for every person that says they don't like it, he's got just as many saying they do like it. And as for the people that absolutely can't stand to hear even one single negative comment about Prince, I think they may be thinking that Prince is reading their comments defending him. I don't know why they would feel the need to kiss his ass like that even if he is reading this site unless they are so obsessed and crazy enough to think that they will be rewarded in Prince's Purple Heaven after they die.
. . . [Edited 9/10/09 14:10pm] Well lemme see..there is a big difference between..hey I don't care 4 this song..or I don't care 4 this style because.....than blatant disrespect...I will tell whoever is in my path..on or off the org...how I feel bout prince..there is no pretend..no attacking...it is what it is..I really do love and adore his music,, his message, his style,,,I can go on and on..im like this 24\7..without having a notion in my mind that im ganna go 2 some purple heaven....jeez..there was life b4 the org people... your not any different by attacking those who completely adore him and aren't bored yet....so there are allways 2 sides 2 every story...I have his symbol tattoed on me...it was 4 a very special reason...it was 4 my life experience..prince complimented and enriched me in soo many ways...putting on my headphones and rockin out to ANY tune 2 prince on a bad day..is like drivin thru the hood in the back of a limo.. 
4 how I feel..it don't make me or break me if im called obsessed or crazy...im just that than..but im happy..soo back with purple cam sayz...that's what it boils down 2....yall can't front though..he may bore u...but name just ONE musician that has pumpedout more than prince?? With songs that has had soooo much intensity??? ...while yall even try 2 think bout that....I will be rockin out 2 the longgg version of computer blue!!!  Marry me 2day and 2night we'll make love until the world stops turning | |
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jayquan said: I first heard Prince around '78 when I was 8 years old. Been a fan ever since. He has created some incredible shit , and was a big part of the soundtrack to my youth. I will continue to buy every thing that he releases , even though it doesnt give me the high that it did when I was 12, listening to 1999. But I can't really expect it to. I think his last few releases were good. He probably wont make another Lady Cab Driver, Adore or She's Always In My Hair , but damn who else from that era is still around at all - not to mention making quality music.
Basically im saying that im close to 40 and my responsiblities of work , family ,children etc etc really take priority over whether Prince makes me feel 8 or 9 years old again...nothin will. I just enjoy his old and new shit for what it is. Very Well said. | |
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porfyrivrohi said: vainandy said: What better way to attempt to get an artist to stop making what you don't like and start making what you do like, than to say..."Hey, that album sounded like shit".
Is it really necessary to insert smelly "shit" in an argument in order to express your dislike? How about "I don't like it" or even "I strongly dislike it for 1,2,3 reasons"??? That's how a civilized conversation can take place. Saying an album is "shit" offends not only the artist who made it but other people who happen to like it too! Why does one need to be rude and offensive to make a point? I think it's because some people have not been taught how to behave themselves and that has nothing to do with Prince or his quality of work whatsoever.! I here u, Porfy!!! | |
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SCARLETTPUZY said: vainandy said: I think most of the negative comments about Prince come from people simply answering honestly as to whether or not they like particular songs. If someone starts a thread about a song and you don't like it, what should you do, lie and say you love it or just not respond? Hell naw, you're going to say how you really feel about the song because with everyone agreeing and loving everything around here, it would become very dull very quick. And when a negative thread gets started, I think a lot of that comes from the fact that this is the internet, and unlike the past, nowadays people are able to voice their opinion and others can actually hear it and may agree with it and feel the same way do. And also, you never know, Prince himself could be reading it and a lot of people may think that Prince reads the org since it's a site dedicated to him. I know I would be reading it if I were him. Some of the negative comments may be in hopes that Prince himself reads it. What better way to attempt to get an artist to stop making what you don't like and start making what you do like, than to say..."Hey, that album sounded like shit". Like Prince would really change anything anyway. Hell, for every person that says they don't like it, he's got just as many saying they do like it. And as for the people that absolutely can't stand to hear even one single negative comment about Prince, I think they may be thinking that Prince is reading their comments defending him. I don't know why they would feel the need to kiss his ass like that even if he is reading this site unless they are so obsessed and crazy enough to think that they will be rewarded in Prince's Purple Heaven after they die.
. . . [Edited 9/10/09 14:10pm] Well lemme see..there is a big difference between..hey I don't care 4 this song..or I don't care 4 this style because.....than blatant disrespect...I will tell whoever is in my path..on or off the org...how I feel bout prince..there is no pretend..no attacking...it is what it is..I really do love and adore his music,, his message, his style,,,I can go on and on..im like this 24\7..without having a notion in my mind that im ganna go 2 some purple heaven....jeez..there was life b4 the org people... your not any different by attacking those who completely adore him and aren't bored yet....so there are allways 2 sides 2 every story...I have his symbol tattoed on me...it was 4 a very special reason...it was 4 my life experience..prince complimented and enriched me in soo many ways...putting on my headphones and rockin out to ANY tune 2 prince on a bad day..is like drivin thru the hood in the back of a limo..
4 how I feel..it don't make me or break me if im called obsessed or crazy...im just that than..but im happy..soo back with purple cam sayz...that's what it boils down 2....yall can't front though..he may bore u...but name just ONE musician that has pumpedout more than prince?? With songs that has had soooo much intensity??? ...while yall even try 2 think bout that....I will be rockin out 2 the longgg version of computer blue!!! What's the difference between you saying you want to screw every musical note Prince ever wrote and someone saying some musical notes sound like shit? both are expressing the truth of how that person feels. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Im not bored with his music. His music is constantly changing while some of his fans are stuck on Neutral. Prince is now at a place in his life where he performs/writes and releases music when, where and how he pleases.
You have a choice to stick with him and enjoy what he gives us or depart to a new adventure.....Im sure he could careless.... Following Prince's music is like being married, it has its good and bad, ups and downs, but if you are loyal and in love you stick with it. Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize u simply imagined this So u lean over and give her a kiss Here on earth, here on earth, with u it's not so bad Here on earth, here on earth eye don't feel so sad Stay right here | |
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vainandy said: It's Prince's own fault that he has people that are tired of his work but still come around. Hell, he tries to keep them buying his albums. Look at how the tracks have been all over the place on the last few albums. He's had rock tracks, he's had dance tracks, he's had Minneapolis style tracks, he's had traditional funk with the horns, he's had shit hop. He's had all these tracks thrown on an album together and none of them sound like they really go together in some sort of theme. Take the album "3121" for instance, I love "Lolita" and "Love". Yes, I'm going to buy the album to get those tracks. However, if I get the album home and find shit hop on it like "Incense and Candles", I'm going to shit on it all the way to high heaven. That's just the way it is. Prince isn't the only person who is an individual. Everyone is an individual and we all have different tastes. And if Prince wants to be money hungry and try to keep all of us buying his stuff, then he's going to have to live with the negative comments because with all those different genres on one album, somebody's going to hate something on the album. If you really want to see a lot of the negative comments stop and a lot of the "haters" leave Prince, the only way that's going to happen is if he makes an all funk album, then a lot of the rock lovers are going to leave. Or if he makes an all rock album, then a lot of the funk lovers are going to leave. Or an all shit hop album, then a lot of people are going to leave. Prince isn't going to do that. He's a businessman and he's not stupid. He knows a lot of his sales would leave. So since he wants all those sales, the negative comments are going to come because he's got such a wide variety of fans. He can't have his cake and eat it too. And as for "if you don't like something, just don't comment", I don't think so. Prince doesn't mind voicing his opinion about things he doesn't like so why shouldn't we. He has taught us well.
. . . [Edited 9/10/09 14:48pm] That's some junkie mentality right there. "I'll quit... but what if the next batch is that bomb sh*t. Oh damn that sucked! I'm done with this... well maybe one more time." Most disillusioned Prince fans can't bring themselves to move on for fear of that next big hit dropping and them missing it completely. Then when they aren't dazzled to their expectations they rant about how he's decieved them or it's Prince's fault they bought that CD. Is it time for an intervention? When  go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all  up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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Message boards...full of swearing. It probably is a tad unnecessary but hey! that's the way it goes...
anyway, Prince and boredom. I've been a fan of his for some years now. When I got into him he was, as far as the general consensus goes, embarking on a terrifically underwhelming sequence of recordings (Emancipation through to NewPowerSoul I think) but that didn't matter, I still had all those exciting 80's albums to catch up on. Equally I could go and see him live (Jam of the Year tour) and he was... well blindingly good (if you'd never seen him before etc). Anyway, I thought he was brilliant - I still do. But I've always been aware that he's not perfect. He makes a lot of very poor decisions, it's been ages since he made a 'GREAT' album, he might never do so again. But this doesn't diminish the greatness of his earlier work. Or make it less interesting to discuss. I don't really care for much of Lotusflower but I'll happily discuss the merits of Wendy's guitar playing in '86 if it'll pass a few hours. Indeed I'll happily discuss why I'm not that struck on Lotusflower if it'll pass a few hours. Prince is interesting (to me) beyond his newest release...mind you, I've not spent the last x years of my life writing about his career... I don't think HE knows what he wants to do at the moment. His recent output is something of a mishmash - much of it a re-hashing of former glories. I can't stand 'The Rainbow Children' but I'll concede that it's the work of someone with a vision (albeit a deeply questionable one), everything since has had flashes of interest but no cohesive vision. I like bits of MPLSsound but I find the nostalgia element of it disconcerting...but this is another discussion. And that's the thing, it's a potentially interesting discussion regardless of your opinion on his recent work. I also think (and I'm loathe to echo the 'if you don't love every second of PLANET EARTH then fuck off' brigade) that he gets built up way to much. He's just a bloke. He made some good records, HE MIGHT make some more at some point. If he's been the centre of your universe for x number of years...well yep, you'll end up being disappointed. But THAT really isn't his fault. He's no more tedious now than he was around 'Emancipation' or 'Rave Unto...' We pay his wages and have every right to criticise his work but we can also just walk away. Someone (English) once compared being a pop fan to being a Football ('soccer') supporter. You have your team (Prince), if they win you cheer, if they lose you scream abuse and blame the manager(Larry Graham) - but they're still your team. You still follow them and hope they'll do better next week. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:[quote] SCARLETTPUZY said: Well lemme see..there is a big difference between..hey I don't care 4 this song..or I don't care 4 this style because.....than blatant disrespect...I will tell whoever is in my path..on or off the org...how I feel bout prince..there is no pretend..no attacking...it is what it is..I really do love and adore his music,, his message, his style,,,I can go on and on..im like this 24\7..without having a notion in my mind that im ganna go 2 some purple heaven....jeez..there was life b4 the org people... your not any different by attacking those who completely adore him and aren't bored yet....so there are allways 2 sides 2 every story...I have his symbol tattoed on me...it was 4 a very special reason...it was 4 my life experience..prince complimented and enriched me in soo many ways...putting on my headphones and rockin out to ANY tune 2 prince on a bad day..is like drivin thru the hood in the back of a limo..
4 how I feel..it don't make me or break me if im called obsessed or crazy...im just that than..but im happy..soo back with purple cam sayz...that's what it boils down 2....yall can't front though..he may bore u...but name just ONE musician that has pumpedout more than prince?? With songs that has had soooo much intensity??? ...while yall even try 2 think bout that....I will be rockin out 2 the longgg version of computer blue!!! What's the difference between you saying you want to screw every musical note Prince ever wrote and someone saying some musical notes sound like shit? both are expressing the truth of how that person feels.[/quote 
Im talking about those that go 2 the extreme... Marry me 2day and 2night we'll make love until the world stops turning | |
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SCARLETTPUZY said:[quote] SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SCARLETTPUZY said: Well lemme see..there is a big difference between..hey I don't care 4 this song..or I don't care 4 this style because.....than blatant disrespect...I will tell whoever is in my path..on or off the org...how I feel bout prince..there is no pretend..no attacking...it is what it is..I really do love and adore his music,, his message, his style,,,I can go on and on..im like this 24\7..without having a notion in my mind that im ganna go 2 some purple heaven....jeez..there was life b4 the org people... your not any different by attacking those who completely adore him and aren't bored yet....so there are allways 2 sides 2 every story...I have his symbol tattoed on me...it was 4 a very special reason...it was 4 my life experience..prince complimented and enriched me in soo many ways...putting on my headphones and rockin out to ANY tune 2 prince on a bad day..is like drivin thru the hood in the back of a limo..
4 how I feel..it don't make me or break me if im called obsessed or crazy...im just that than..but im happy..soo back with purple cam sayz...that's what it boils down 2....yall can't front though..he may bore u...but name just ONE musician that has pumpedout more than prince?? With songs that has had soooo much intensity??? ...while yall even try 2 think bout that....I will be rockin out 2 the longgg version of computer blue!!! What's the difference between you saying you want to screw every musical note Prince ever wrote and someone saying some musical notes sound like shit? both are expressing the truth of how that person feels.[/quote
Im talking about those that go 2 the extreme... Why is one extreme saying you want to melt every prince record into a dildo and have your way with it any better than someone saying they want to pass that crap like a kidney stone? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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amorbella said: Im not bored with his music. His music is constantly changing while some of his fans are stuck on Neutral. Prince is now at a place in his life where he performs/writes and releases music when, where and how he pleases.
You have a choice to stick with him and enjoy what he gives us or depart to a new adventure.....Im sure he could careless.... Following Prince's music is like being married, it has its good and bad, ups and downs, but if you are loyal and in love you stick with it. Interesting analogy, because no one's ever been bored in a marriage. Do U Lie? | |
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amorbella said: Im not bored with his music. His music is constantly changing while some of his fans are stuck on Neutral. Prince is now at a place in his life where he performs/writes and releases music when, where and how he pleases.
You have a choice to stick with him and enjoy what he gives us or depart to a new adventure.....Im sure he could careless.... Following Prince's music is like being married, it has its good and bad, ups and downs, but if you are loyal and in love you stick with it. And sometimes it don't work out and you get divorced. But you still have to see his ass because you had his kids! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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LuneCerise said: amorbella said: Im not bored with his music. His music is constantly changing while some of his fans are stuck on Neutral. Prince is now at a place in his life where he performs/writes and releases music when, where and how he pleases.
You have a choice to stick with him and enjoy what he gives us or depart to a new adventure.....Im sure he could careless.... Following Prince's music is like being married, it has its good and bad, ups and downs, but if you are loyal and in love you stick with it. Interesting analogy, because no one's ever been bored in a marriage. nothing is straight to the point or easy when it comes to his music.... ITS PRINCE we are talking about Say it's just a dream...
U open up ur eyes and come 2 realize u simply imagined this So u lean over and give her a kiss Here on earth, here on earth, with u it's not so bad Here on earth, here on earth eye don't feel so sad Stay right here | |
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amorbella said: LuneCerise said: Interesting analogy, because no one's ever been bored in a marriage. nothing is straight to the point or easy when it comes to his music.... ITS PRINCE we are talking about I like what you said about "some fans being stuck on NEUTRAL". There does seem to be a large group that can't get past the 80's and the early 90's in regards to Prince and his output/style. Most artists lose their fanbase because they grow up and move on. Prince is losing his fanbase because they refuse to grow up and move on. How ironic? Don't ya' think? When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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HonestMan13 said: amorbella said: nothing is straight to the point or easy when it comes to his music.... ITS PRINCE we are talking about I like what you said about "some fans being stuck on NEUTRAL". There does seem to be a large group that can't get past the 80's and the early 90's in regards to Prince and his output/style. Most artists lose their fanbase because they grow up and move on. Prince is losing his fanbase because they refuse to grow up and move on. How ironic? Don't ya' think? That's a hell of an assumption. Who won't grow up? If nothing else, alot of us feel Prince is "stuck in neutral". We are waiting for something innovative and ahead of the curve. He seems to be on auto-pilot way too much of the time these days. Do U Lie? | |
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Astasheiks said: jayquan said: I first heard Prince around '78 when I was 8 years old. Been a fan ever since. He has created some incredible shit , and was a big part of the soundtrack to my youth. I will continue to buy every thing that he releases , even though it doesnt give me the high that it did when I was 12, listening to 1999. But I can't really expect it to. I think his last few releases were good. He probably wont make another Lady Cab Driver, Adore or She's Always In My Hair , but damn who else from that era is still around at all - not to mention making quality music.
Basically im saying that im close to 40 and my responsiblities of work , family ,children etc etc really take priority over whether Prince makes me feel 8 or 9 years old again...nothin will. I just enjoy his old and new shit for what it is. Very Well said. Now that's what i'm talking about - thanks for sharing. It is possible to share a opinion; debate and disagree without negative energy and foulness behind it. Now for me I'm a eighties girl and grew up with P's music when Purple Rain came out. I connected through his music - you dig what you dig. Now there are some albums i can do without and can pick and choose only a few songs on some that i like. There are also songs i couldn't get with before that i totally dig now and some that grow on me with time and some that never will! But if we are talking about musicionship as a whole - i dig Him. He is funky! I love the funk! And he brings it - maybe not in every song - but as a whole he brings it! And there is something to be said and special about "growing up" with a artists music. It's personal - Music is personal it touches places that other different kinds of expressional art just cant. That's why it really is to each his own when it comes to connecting with music. | |
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LuneCerise said: HonestMan13 said: I like what you said about "some fans being stuck on NEUTRAL". There does seem to be a large group that can't get past the 80's and the early 90's in regards to Prince and his output/style. Most artists lose their fanbase because they grow up and move on. Prince is losing his fanbase because they refuse to grow up and move on. How ironic? Don't ya' think? That's a hell of an assumption. Who won't grow up? If nothing else, alot of us feel Prince is "stuck in neutral". We are waiting for something innovative and ahead of the curve. He seems to be on auto-pilot way too much of the time these days. Who is on this curve that you're comparing Prince's work to? I'm intrigued by that comment. When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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HonestMan13 said: LuneCerise said: That's a hell of an assumption. Who won't grow up? If nothing else, alot of us feel Prince is "stuck in neutral". We are waiting for something innovative and ahead of the curve. He seems to be on auto-pilot way too much of the time these days. Who is on this curve that you're comparing Prince's work to? I'm intrigued by that comment. Prince. Do U Lie? | |
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"Only boring people get bored"-ConiMarie | |
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LuneCerise said: HonestMan13 said: Who is on this curve that you're comparing Prince's work to? I'm intrigued by that comment. Prince. And by comparing him to/holding him against his past work that means you're stuck in neutral. Prince hasn't made a sequel album yet in 30 years why would he start now? "Purple Rain Part 2" might sound good on paper but since we've all heard the most likely tracks(as bootlegs) why bother with it. When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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HonestMan13 said: vainandy said: It's Prince's own fault that he has people that are tired of his work but still come around. Hell, he tries to keep them buying his albums. Look at how the tracks have been all over the place on the last few albums. He's had rock tracks, he's had dance tracks, he's had Minneapolis style tracks, he's had traditional funk with the horns, he's had shit hop. He's had all these tracks thrown on an album together and none of them sound like they really go together in some sort of theme. Take the album "3121" for instance, I love "Lolita" and "Love". Yes, I'm going to buy the album to get those tracks. However, if I get the album home and find shit hop on it like "Incense and Candles", I'm going to shit on it all the way to high heaven. That's just the way it is. Prince isn't the only person who is an individual. Everyone is an individual and we all have different tastes. And if Prince wants to be money hungry and try to keep all of us buying his stuff, then he's going to have to live with the negative comments because with all those different genres on one album, somebody's going to hate something on the album. If you really want to see a lot of the negative comments stop and a lot of the "haters" leave Prince, the only way that's going to happen is if he makes an all funk album, then a lot of the rock lovers are going to leave. Or if he makes an all rock album, then a lot of the funk lovers are going to leave. Or an all shit hop album, then a lot of people are going to leave. Prince isn't going to do that. He's a businessman and he's not stupid. He knows a lot of his sales would leave. So since he wants all those sales, the negative comments are going to come because he's got such a wide variety of fans. He can't have his cake and eat it too. And as for "if you don't like something, just don't comment", I don't think so. Prince doesn't mind voicing his opinion about things he doesn't like so why shouldn't we. He has taught us well.
. . . [Edited 9/10/09 14:48pm] That's some junkie mentality right there. "I'll quit... but what if the next batch is that bomb sh*t. Oh damn that sucked! I'm done with this... well maybe one more time." Most disillusioned Prince fans can't bring themselves to move on for fear of that next big hit dropping and them missing it completely. Then when they aren't dazzled to their expectations they rant about how he's decieved them or it's Prince's fault they bought that CD. Is it time for an intervention? I'm not completely bored with him, if I was, I wouldn't be buying his albums. I'm just bored with particular tracks or particular albums. I think even his most obsessed fans are bored with something he has made in his career but they will never admit it for fear that Prince might read their negative comment and they would lose their place in his purple heaven when they die.
I didn't start this thread, someone else did. I just defended his right to voice his opinion that he's bored with Prince. But if I ever did become completely bored with Prince and stopped buying his music, of course I would still be a member of the org and even post in the Prince section from time to time because Prince isn't only known for his new music but he's also known for his old music also. And if I did stop buying his albums and then I heard that he had a new album out that was something that I would really enjoy, of course I would buy it. When you don't buy a new Prince album, that doesn't mean that you're not allowed to ever buy another Prince album again. There is no punishment being given out for not buying a new Prince album. There's no prison sentence. It's not like betraying a family member and they say...."when you leave here, don't you ever come back". See, I buy music because it sounds good to me, not because it's Prince that made the album and he wants me to buy it. I could care less what Prince wants. I care about what Andy wants because it's Andy that's spending his money buying the product. This worship and "loyalty" to an entertainer to the point that the entertainer can do no wrong is rediculous. Entertainers need their fans. Fans don't need the entertainers. . . . [Edited 9/10/09 19:47pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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HonestMan13 said: LuneCerise said: Prince. And by comparing him to/holding him against his past work that means you're stuck in neutral. Prince hasn't made a sequel album yet in 30 years why would he start now? "Purple Rain Part 2" might sound good on paper but since we've all heard the most likely tracks(as bootlegs) why bother with it. Okay, you really need to get past the notion I'm after a re-tread. Just accept the fact that there are fans who think he isn't as daring as he once was but still love him and would like to see him get wild again. Do U Lie? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: SCARLETTPUZY said: What's the difference between you saying you want to screw every musical note Prince ever wrote and someone saying some musical notes sound like shit? both are expressing the truth of how that person feels.[/quote
Im talking about those that go 2 the extreme... Why is one extreme saying you want to melt every prince record into a dildo and have your way with it any better than someone saying they want to pass that crap like a kidney stone?
HaTE is 4 haterz LOVE is 4 loverz Why is it mostly men on the org. Really hatin on woman really loving prince?? Mabey its cause they need 2 step up their game... Marry me 2day and 2night we'll make love until the world stops turning | |
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LuneCerise said: HonestMan13 said: And by comparing him to/holding him against his past work that means you're stuck in neutral. Prince hasn't made a sequel album yet in 30 years why would he start now? "Purple Rain Part 2" might sound good on paper but since we've all heard the most likely tracks(as bootlegs) why bother with it. Okay, you really need to get past the notion I'm after a re-tread. Just accept the fact that there are fans who think he isn't as daring as he once was but still love him and would like to see him get wild again. Someone posted on here once that most orgers have some fantasy album playing in their heads of what they'd love to hear from Prince. The flaw in that is we all have different fantasy albums playing in our heads and Prince can't craft one Cd to please us all. Maybe in trying to mix it up and be more eclectic he's alienated some of us in the process. I've always felt the music was a gift because he's is under no contractual obligation to drop another CD at a given date. He could stop tomorrow and take up basket weaving and never play again. The fact that despite his disillusionment with the industry that he still loves making music is great. Plenty of artists before him got screwed over and then immediately hung it up and got out of the business. Prince loves making music and HonestMan13 loves to listen to it. [Edited 9/10/09 19:55pm] When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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