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Reply #30 posted 08/28/09 10:55am

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Fascinating read, thank you!

My only question is what was Warner's problem with The Undertaker? Why did they force P to destroy the CDs?
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Reply #31 posted 08/28/09 11:52am

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What about the 1-800 New Funk compliation? Would that feature in one of your Ultimate stories? Around this time it felt that there was a huge amount of albums being written and recorded -new Madhouse, Nona Gaye, NPG Exodus, Mavis Staples, Undertaker, Come, TGE, MPLS, The Steeles (did they do that Colors song?), etc Plus those songs shown on the TGE tour - 18 and Over, Same December, Empty Room. And all those radical remixes of songs, ie TMBGITW ep, the Space ep, the Good Life remixes (loved the rap version of this).
I remember having a dream around this time where all the videos linked together in some huge feature film telling the story of Mayte and Prince a la The Love Symbol videos, and there were hundreds of these videos - just a never ending stream of new quality songs.
It just felt that there was an avalanche of material awaiting release, and it was an exciting time to be listening to Prince. And the 1-800 New Funk gave a hint of the shear volume of material.
Oh yeah and there was the NPG magazine that reviewed the music and made you think there was even more stuff around.

Good work by the way, it is grat to read a proper thread.
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Reply #32 posted 08/28/09 12:14pm

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djfine said:

My only question is what was Warner's problem with The Undertaker? Why did they force P to destroy the CDs?


I suppose because it was seen by Warner Bros. as a breach of their contract - he wasn't allowed to release music independently of them and they didn't want any new music from him at the time. biggrin

I suppose they thought that even a limited print run of 1000 copies still counted as a release. Damn bastards. biggrin
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Reply #33 posted 08/28/09 12:18pm

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Very cool. As well as the "Ultimate Come". (best thread title evar btw) Got any others you've already done. Any chance for a Batman one?
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Reply #34 posted 08/28/09 1:14pm

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scififilmnerd said:

djfine said:

My only question is what was Warner's problem with The Undertaker? Why did they force P to destroy the CDs?


I suppose because it was seen by Warner Bros. as a breach of their contract - he wasn't allowed to release music independently of them and they didn't want any new music from him at the time. biggrin

I suppose they thought that even a limited print run of 1000 copies still counted as a release. Damn bastards. biggrin


Bastards is right! Esp as it was gonna be free anyway.
Oh well I guess that makes sense, thanks for the info!
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Reply #35 posted 08/28/09 1:20pm

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Saw this one in a sales post in marketplace
http://www.funky4you.com/...taker.html
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Reply #36 posted 08/28/09 3:21pm

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Great read...thank you, thank you, thank you!

This is the kind of stuff I wish P would discuss in detail moreso than who he's been partying or shopping with.

I'd love a write up about Exodus too. cool
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Reply #37 posted 08/29/09 12:41am

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From Turn It Up 2.0:
The CDs were destroyed by applying a layer of shellack to the playable side of the discs. However the shellack can be removed with Goo Gone and other products. However many collectors believe it is worth more in the current condition it is in. This is up for you to decide.



Question: Does anyone have a pic of the actual sleeve for The Undertaker CD? All I've ever seen has been the picture disc CD itself. Or perhaps maybe no sleeves survived?
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Reply #38 posted 08/29/09 12:43am

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Japanese Laserdisc:

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Reply #39 posted 08/29/09 12:52am

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Personal anecdote: I remember being in the Uptown Minneapolis NPG Store and seeing the upstairs roped off with a sign saying "NPG Power Trio Performance Screening In Progress". So the name "NPG Power Trio" was at least kicked around at the time.

I was too late to get into the screening according to the staff. mad
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Reply #40 posted 08/29/09 1:57am

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squirrelgrease said:


Question: Does anyone have a pic of the actual sleeve for The Undertaker CD? All I've ever seen has been the picture disc CD itself. Or perhaps maybe no sleeves survived?



According to a post on HQ (rip) this was the art. I could never verify it (don't know Lenny Kravitz who had one according to the story)




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Reply #41 posted 08/29/09 2:22am

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Thanks for posting that. Looks like it may possibly be a pre-production mock-up, being that magazines usually attach slimline jewel-cases or cardboard sleeves vs. the standard jewel-case as shown. Nice find!
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Reply #42 posted 08/29/09 2:40am

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Great threads. Those are the ones that actually still make sense, are interesting, a good read and don't cover things that have been done a hundred times before already. clapping



I'm so much looking forward to:


worship The Gold Experience worship





Please, include every single fucking detail you can find about that album. EVERYTHING, are you listening?!! lol
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Reply #43 posted 08/29/09 4:11am

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squirrelgrease said:

Personal anecdote: I remember being in the Uptown Minneapolis NPG Store and seeing the upstairs roped off with a sign saying "NPG Power Trio Performance Screening In Progress". So the name "NPG Power Trio" was at least kicked around at the time.

I was too late to get into the screening according to the staff. mad


Would that have been 8 October 1993 where 50 fans got to see The Undertaker film at the NPG store? biggrin
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Reply #44 posted 08/29/09 5:50am

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cosmicslop said:

What about the 1-800 New Funk compliation? Would that feature in one of your Ultimate stories?


Love Sign will be included in the Ultimate Gold article, which I am researching even as I write this. biggrin
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Reply #45 posted 08/29/09 12:15pm

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Nice work again, scififilmnerd. You mentioned that the feature on Chaos And Disorder might be a little short, maybe you could include some info on The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale? I could easily be mistaken but I believe both albums were compiled and delivered to WB at about the same time so it might make sense to tackle them together.
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Reply #46 posted 08/29/09 6:39pm

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I *just* put this on to play when I saw the thread title. headbang

I always assumed the release of the home videos for The Undertaker and Sacrifice Of Victor went some way towards fulfilling his contract with Warners.

I must confess I wasn't really feeling his guitar tone when I first heard The Undertaker, I thought it was too synthesised so I don't play it as often as some people who really love it. I appreciate it more now I guess.
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Reply #47 posted 08/30/09 3:32am

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scififilmnerd said:

squirrelgrease said:

Personal anecdote: I remember being in the Uptown Minneapolis NPG Store and seeing the upstairs roped off with a sign saying "NPG Power Trio Performance Screening In Progress". So the name "NPG Power Trio" was at least kicked around at the time.

I was too late to get into the screening according to the staff. mad


Would that have been 8 October 1993 where 50 fans got to see The Undertaker film at the NPG store? biggrin


I was there on the right day at the wrong time.
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Reply #48 posted 08/31/09 1:00am

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scififilmnerd said:

PRINCE VS. WB: THE FANS LOST
Part 2: No records allowed, only videos


By Scififilmnerd

The making of The Undertaker
Having just wrapped up work on the Come album in late May 1993, prince conceived the idea of doing a different kind of album, using just drummer Michael Bland and bassist Sonny Thompson as he had done for the original Come session, 2 January 1993. It would be the first music to actually be recorded by prince, just a week after the name-change from Prince.
Nicknamed The Paisley Park Power Trio, the three of them set up together on the soundstage at Paisley Park 14 June 1993, their amps cranked up full, and did some bluesy jamming. The result was an album called The Undertaker.
“Picture this,” Michael Bland told Guitar World in 1994: “A DAT machine, a 32-channel board, two techs and three players. It was about three o’clock in the morning. We got our sounds together and just let the DAT roll. We took about an hour to make that record, from start to finish, playing straight through with no overdubs. The sequence of songs on the record is exactly the way we played it. The guitar segues from one song to the next, like when we do live stuff.
“He tends to really start opening up and playing a lot of different things when me and Michael do a trio thing with him,” added Sonny Thompson. “There’s no keyboards there – no nothing. So he can venture out and play what he wants to play.”

The songs and the video
The Undertaker was a mixture of two new songs, The Ride and Poorgoo; a cover of The Rolling Stones’ Honky Tonk-Woman from their 1969 hits collection Through The Past, Darkly; a preview of the new song Zannalee; and new versions of old songs: Bambi from the 1979 Prince album, the Mavis Staples-song The Undertaker, and Dolphin from the Come-album.
Mavis Staples’ album featuring The Undertaker had yet to see release. The song had been recorded in August 1992 and was written by Prince, Tommy Barbarella, Michael Bland, Levi Seacer Jr. and Sonny Thompson. It was inspired by Mavis Staples telling Prince about her eight-year marriage to a mortician. Prince doesn’t play on her version of the song.
A camera team filmed the live in the studio-recording of The Undertaker and prince produced a 42-minute film directed by Parris Patton focusing on the Power Trio’s performance and featuring limited acting by Vanessa Marcil from the day-time soap General Hospital. She plays a drug addict in the video. "I don't do any dancing. I wear no makeup and my hair's kinda messy throughout the whole thing,” she told Soap Opera Weekly about her part. “I look pretty scummy. Those are the kinds of roles I really like to play. I'd much rather play someone basic and real than someone who's all done up wearing pretty tight outfits.”

The destruction of a masterpiece
prince privately manufactured a CD in around 1000 copies containing the Power Trio performance. Unfortunately, when the sleeve cover was at the printer’s office, Warner Bros. heard of the record and ordered prince to destroy the whole edition. Luckily, some copies of the 36 minutes album escaped and appeared on the collector’s market in 1995, although at very high prices. Fortunately, it got widely bootlegged, ensuring that fans got to hear it.

prince: The Undertaker (14 June 1993)
1. The Ride (10:54)
2. Poorgoo (4:24)
3. Honky Tonk-Woman (3:01) (Mick Jagger/Keith Richards)
4. Bambi (4:03)
5. Zannalee (Prelude) (0:44)
6. The Undertaker (9:45)
7. Dolphin (3:40)

The album seemed like a natural continuation of the guitar rock style on the 29 May 1993 Come album configuration, which it complimented perfectly. “It starts off in a blues vein,” prince told Guitar World in 1994, “but then quickly goes to funk. But because of the first song, (The Ride,) people tend to want to put it in that glass of water. It’s real garage, you know, but Warners won’t release it.”

The Undertaker live
A few lucky fans got to hear some of The Undertaker performed live at some of the aftershows on the Act II tour of Europe, which started 26 July and ended 7 September 1993. A section of the shows would feature just the Power Trio, usually performing The Ride, Honky Tonk-Woman and a cover of Elvis Presley’s 1957 hit Jailhouse Rock written by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. Bambi and Poorgoo were occasionally included in the set.
The song The Undertaker was also performed at the aftershows, but in a version more resembling the Mavis Staples-recording, as it featured the entire band, including the NPG Hornz. Mavis Staples’ album The Voice featuring The Undertaker was released during the tour, 24 August 1993, and prince would then also introduce the song as being from that album, rather than from The Undertaker. Mavis Staples herself joined prince and the NPG for a performance of it at the tour’s final aftershow in London, 8 September 1993.
The final aftershow was filmed and parts of it were released as a home video, The Sacrifice Of Victor, in March 1995. It included The Ride, Jailhouse Rock and Mavis Staples’ rendition of The Undertaker. The video is currently on show at Lotusflow3r.com.
On 6 March 1994, Holland’s largest radio network, Radio Veronica, began broadcasting songs recorded during a concert at Paisley Park 13 February 1994. They had purchased audio and video tapes of the performance, which included a short version of The Ride. prince also played The Ride at concerts in Monaco and Paris, 3 – 6 May 1994.

The mysterious new blues-album
From 28 May to 26 July 1994, prince embarked upon a summer tour of clubs in Minneapolis, Miami, Los Angeles and New York. The tour, dubbed The Love Experience, included occasional performances of The Ride, usually as the show opener.
At this time, prince gave an interview to Guitar World, which was published in November 1994. prince revealed that, although there’d been talk for a while of a straight-up blues album, The Undertaker was not that album. It is possible that he was hinting at Chaos And Disorder, which was sequenced in late 1994, shortly after the publication of the Guitar World interview. Certainly, the Zannalee prelude on The Undertaker ended up being of the full version on Chaos And Disorder.
As for when The Undertaker would come out, Levi Seacer Jr., head of NPG Records, didn’t know. “The thing here is that he’s always working on something. But I think this needs to be heard.”
prince would have liked to give The Undertaker away with the issue of Guitar World containing the interview. “I’d like to put out 700.000 copies of some blues guitar music with a guitar magazine but Warners won’t let me,” he told New Musical Express in March 1995.
In an interview with Q, also from March 1995, he added: “I have a song called Undertaker, which I wanted to give to Guitar Player, so they could give it away free with the magazine – to remind people that, hey, I’m actually a guitar player, too. (Laughs.) That’s what it is – really long guitar solos. But Warners wouldn’t let me.”

Fan-reaction to The Undertaker video
prince’s European Gold Experience tour, 3 - 31 March 1995, included occasional performances of Dolphin and The Ride. Now keyboards were added to The Ride. The Ride and the Mavis Staples-version of The Undertaker were also performed at aftershows.
To coincide with the tour, the 1993 The Undertaker movie was finally released as a home video. Vanessa Marcil’s character pops some pills and runs rampant at Paisley Park, stumbling upon the Power Trio performance. Strangely, prince doesn’t have her thrown out - not even when she pukes all over his guitar solo during The Ride.
The amusing puking sound was actually used to cover up the video version of The Ride being an edit of the album version. The video version of Poorgoo supposedly also has subtle differences from the album version. Dolphin is an edit of the Come album version with the ending of The Undertaker album version added.
Although one critic complained that prince only played obscure tracks and no hits, fans were delighted with the music in the psychedelic video. It featured prince’s most inspired, awesome and impressive guitar playing to date. It was considered to be a riveting, masterful performance.
To celebrate the release of the video, prince performed the entire The Undertaker album at an aftershow in London, 23 March 1995, except for Dolphin, but with a full version of Zannalee. Keyboards were added to all of the songs, except Bambi.

Release of The Ride (Live)
During the rest of 1995, prince gave concerts at Glam Slam Miami and at Paisley Park, before embarking on a Gold Experience tour of Japan 8 – 20 January 1996 and of Hawaii 17 – 19 February 1996. The Ride and Zannalee were occasionally played.
In 1998, a fairly short live version of The Ride from Paisley Park, 28 October 1995, was released on the Crystal Ball collection. Prior to that, the Crystal Ball version of The Ride had been featured in the TV movie Love 4 One Another that premiered on VH-1 27 January 1996. Fans generally liked the original Power Trio recording of the song better.
In the spring of 2009, The Undertaker movie was posted for viewing on Lotusflow3r.com. The fan-favorite album remains unreleased.

Thanks to:
Virgo and Squirrelgrease

Sources:
David Cavanagh: Sign here…, Q, 1995
Janet Di Lauro: Interview with Vanessa Marcil, Soap Opera Weekly, 21 September 1993
Alan di Perna: The Guitarist Formerly Known As Prince, Guitar World, November 1994
Andy Richardson: My Name Isn’t Prince And I Am Funky, NME, 11 March 1995
Uptown presents Days of Wild – A Documentary of Prince/prince

Part 1:
The Come(back) album that never happened: http://prince.org/msg/7/317254

Coming soon:
Part 3: Ultimate Gold
Part 4: Ultimate Chaos And Disorder
[Edited 8/28/09 7:28am]


As with the Come threads [2009 and 2004] your efforts and research are much appreciated.

It is a great shame this was never released at the time - i guess it still cud be offered as a download on lotusflowe3r for those who have never heard this?? Especailly as the video is up for viewing - ????

I beleive Boris suggested that there were sereval other songs recorded in the session? Peach? Full version of Zannalee? Do we know anything further on this??
This would be before Peach was released so would make sense and although the sequence is referred to as being 'exactly as played' there are definately possible breaks inbetween tracks which suggests this is possible.


Also, I can't believe that the 1994 Bluesey album talked of is not the The Undertaker. Surely we would have some idea of the tracks for this project if not. Otherwise it must be made up of a compliation of tracks recorded at the time, most likely Calhoun Sq., Da Bang, Chaos and Disorder and so on, though these are more rock than blues IMO.

Unless C&D the album c1994, of which the track list is unknown, is that album. But certainly not the 1996 C&D version as this, although is a fantastic rock based album, is not bluesy.
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Reply #49 posted 08/31/09 1:58am

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clapping Another great thread scifi.

Such a shame this wasn't released on CD, it's one of his strongest albums of the 90s.
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Reply #50 posted 08/31/09 9:34am

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GNS said:

Got any others you've already done. Any chance for a Batman one?


There's no Batman article on my schedule. Sorry. comfort

My only Prince related work prior to this series of articles is a Come 2 My House interview with Chaka Khan. You can check it out here: http://prince.org/msg/5/296108

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Reply #51 posted 08/31/09 12:32pm

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KAB said:

It is a great shame this was never released at the time - i guess it still cud be offered as a download on lotusflowe3r for those who have never heard this?? Especailly as the video is up for viewing - ????


Prince seems to have an antipathy towards anything (besides the new albums) being downloadable at Lotusflow3r. If it was me who ran a website like that, I would make sure that the site was continually updated with new downloads to get people to come back. biggrin

KAB said:

I beleive Boris suggested that there were sereval other songs recorded in the session? Peach? Full version of Zannalee? Do we know anything further on this??
This would be before Peach was released so would make sense and although the sequence is referred to as being 'exactly as played' there are definately possible breaks inbetween tracks which suggests this is possible.


Anythings possible, I suppose, but on Housequake it was suggested that Peach being played was misinformation from an old issue of Uptown. confuse

KAB said:

Also, I can't believe that the 1994 Bluesey album talked of is not the The Undertaker. Surely we would have some idea of the tracks for this project if not. Otherwise it must be made up of a compliation of tracks recorded at the time, most likely Calhoun Sq., Da Bang, Chaos and Disorder and so on, though these are more rock than blues IMO.

Unless C&D the album c1994, of which the track list is unknown, is that album. But certainly not the 1996 C&D version as this, although is a fantastic rock based album, is not bluesy.


Maybe that blues-album was never made? Maybe it was just an idea? Maybe all prince is saying is that The Undertaker is not a blues album (besides the first song)? biggrin
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Reply #52 posted 08/31/09 2:41pm

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scififilmnerd said:

KAB said:

It is a great shame this was never released at the time - i guess it still cud be offered as a download on lotusflowe3r for those who have never heard this?? Especailly as the video is up for viewing - ????


Prince seems to have an antipathy towards anything (besides the new albums) being downloadable at Lotusflow3r. If it was me who ran a website like that, I would make sure that the site was continually updated with new downloads to get people to come back. biggrin



Anythings possible, I suppose, but on Housequake it was suggested that Peach being played was misinformation from an old issue of Uptown. confuse

KAB said:

Also, I can't believe that the 1994 Bluesey album talked of is not the The Undertaker. Surely we would have some idea of the tracks for this project if not. Otherwise it must be made up of a compliation of tracks recorded at the time, most likely Calhoun Sq., Da Bang, Chaos and Disorder and so on, though these are more rock than blues IMO.

Unless C&D the album c1994, of which the track list is unknown, is that album. But certainly not the 1996 C&D version as this, although is a fantastic rock based album, is not bluesy.


Maybe that blues-album was never made? Maybe it was just an idea? Maybe all prince is saying is that The Undertaker is not a blues album (besides the first song)? biggrin
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Agreed. That would be the logical way to run a music-based website!

I don't recall that being mentioned in Uptown - i will take another look.

So, perhaps, the blues album via the magazine is merely one possible route of getting music out - in this case a blues album to showcase his guitar playing to a wider audience, and not an actual completed album????
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KAB said:

So, perhaps, the blues album via the magazine is merely one possible route of getting music out - in this case a blues album to showcase his guitar playing to a wider audience, and not an actual completed album????


No, it was The Undertaker he wanted to release with Guitar World, but prince didn't consider The Undertaker to be a blues album. biggrin
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scififilmnerd said:

KAB said:

So, perhaps, the blues album via the magazine is merely one possible route of getting music out - in this case a blues album to showcase his guitar playing to a wider audience, and not an actual completed album????


No, it was The Undertaker he wanted to release with Guitar World, but prince didn't consider The Undertaker to be a blues album. biggrin


You really can't believe anything Prince says in interviews, can you? He's a crafty little bastard with an image-centric agenda. Probably why we cling to every tidbit of information that comes out of his camp.

We're suckers. lol
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Reply #55 posted 09/01/09 12:46pm

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By the way, there's a nice little Flac lossless Undertaker/Come bootleg out there. It's called "The Undertaker [SaTim Records Version]". It contains the test pressing of the Come album and a couple of lesser quality Pheromone tracks (delete these Pheromone cuts for a consistent sounding CD). Of course, I have no idea where you could find this.

01 - The Ride
02 - Poor Goo
03 - Honky Tonk Woman
04 - Bambi
05 - Zannalee
06 - The Undertaker
07 - Dolphin
08 - Poem
09 - Interactive
10 - Endorphinmachine
11 - Space
12 - Strays Of The World
13 - Letter 4 Miles
14 - Pheromone [Instr.]
15 - Pheromone [Instr.] [Edit]
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Reply #56 posted 09/01/09 12:54pm

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That's funny,I did exactly that, and nixed the Pheromone cuts..but of course,i have no idea where i found it...
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SavonOsco said:

That's funny,I did exactly that, and nixed the Pheromone cuts..but of course,i have no idea where i found it...


Of course... wink
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Reply #58 posted 09/02/09 5:28am

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I just added this info to the article:

"On 26 August 1995, a concert at Paisley Park included an Undertaker segment. prince played Dolphin, Zannalee, Bambi, a cover of Steve Vai’s instrumental Tender Surrender and The Ride."

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Don't forget to print the article for inclusion in your personal Prince library. biggrin
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Reply #59 posted 09/02/09 6:50am

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The Undertaker has to be my all time favorite boot. Was so happy to be hooked up with a pristine version from a gal on a.m.p. back in the day

Interesting read, thx
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