Zinzi said: GiGi319 said: I think your right. Only through his music and while on stage was he able to come out of his semi-prude shell. That reminds me a little of Elvis the pelvis who used to be a sex symbol but behind closed doors he was very uptight and verklemmt. didn't Elvis used to sleep around all the time? lol Of course he had to sleep with some of the women that threw themselves at him. He couldn't turn a woman down and still keep his sex god image alive. People do a lot for show. love the one who is Love! | |
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skywalker said: sro100 said: This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.
But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten. All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs. Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules. Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness. Maybe structure is happiness? I would argue that Prince is even a bigger non-conformist than he was before. 1.How many pop/rap/rock acts today say "fuck" in their lyrics? Certainly more than when Prince was doing it. Swearing is SO very common place in pop music now...who cares or notices when it is so expected. These days, Prince is damn near non conformist by NOT doing it. 2. Prince is not conforming to his fans expectations/wishes/earlier precedents. He is, as always, doing exactly what the duck he wants to do. Prince is being himself...hardly conforming. 3. Prince's religion is hardly mainstream...in fact, there is a lot of intolerance and venom spewed about his faith. I see it here at the org every day. 4. Even if Prince is conforming to JW expectations/rules: Is he really? Look at how he dresses, hear the (still) super sexual lyrics. "Wet circles 'round the toy..."....is that really conforming? Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness.
Maybe structure is happiness? Quite a leap to ask such a redundant question (generalize) about an entire group of people, let alone Prince. I'll die in your arms under the cherry moon... | |
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GiGi319 said: Zinzi said: didn't Elvis used to sleep around all the time? lol Of course he had to sleep with some of the women that threw themselves at him. He couldn't turn a woman down and still keep his sex god image alive. People do a lot for show. want he trying to be discreet with the whole thing when he was doing it when he was married? of course that would have made him look like a pig more than a sex god haha ''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal'' | |
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How did such a non-conformist become such a conformist? | |
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lezama said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You're wrong. Talking can change the world. Discussion might lead some fams to stop supporting him! If you walk out of the org today and never come back I'm 100% positive Prince wouldn't give the slightest tiniest tinyist insy-bitsy miniscule shite... at all... at all at all at all.... google infinity... the org doesn't belong to Prince so make a relevant point! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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jackielove said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He's a liar on many levels I'm just curious, do you know Prince personally? Have you met him? You just seem to have some serious personal issues with Prince. Just wondering. Carry on! [Edited 8/15/09 21:37pm] Do you know me? No? Then shut the fuck up 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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sro100 said: This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.
But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten. All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs. Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules. Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness. Maybe structure is happiness? Perhaps he was fronting the whole time. A conformist pretending to be a noncomformist. Perhaps he is fronting now. A noncomformist pretending to conform. You can be pretty sure that he still says "fuck" just not so matter of factly as he did in his previous songs. Also, I can't blame his change of lyrics solely on his religous beliefs and neither can he. One would think that as you get older and wiser, the level of communication evolves and becomes more **cough** mature and articulate. IOW....Prince too damn old to be singing "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth." | |
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DesireeNevermind said: sro100 said: This question is more of a discussion, than a question, because there's no right answere.
But, as I'm listening to "Come" right now I kind-of got a kick when Prince says "fuck." It was so normal and now it's so verbotten. All of this, of course, ties to his religious beliefs. Is a life so devoid of classification and rules almost attracted to a world of strict rules. Possibly, because they're spinning out of control and have no happiness. Maybe structure is happiness? Perhaps he was fronting the whole time. A conformist pretending to be a noncomformist. Perhaps he is fronting now. A noncomformist pretending to conform. You can be pretty sure that he still says "fuck" just not so matter of factly as he did in his previous songs. Also, I can't blame his change of lyrics solely on his religous beliefs and neither can he. One would think that as you get older and wiser, the level of communication evolves and becomes more **cough** mature and articulate. IOW....Prince too damn old to be singing "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth." Nobody is saying he still has to run around singing that song but changing lyrics changes the totaly dynamic of the song. Imagine he started singing: I sincerly want to bake some bread with your mom! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: DesireeNevermind said: Perhaps he was fronting the whole time. A conformist pretending to be a noncomformist. Perhaps he is fronting now. A noncomformist pretending to conform. You can be pretty sure that he still says "fuck" just not so matter of factly as he did in his previous songs. Also, I can't blame his change of lyrics solely on his religous beliefs and neither can he. One would think that as you get older and wiser, the level of communication evolves and becomes more **cough** mature and articulate. IOW....Prince too damn old to be singing "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth." Nobody is saying he still has to run around singing that song but changing lyrics changes the totaly dynamic of the song. Imagine he started singing: I sincerly want to bake some bread with your mom! Yeah but you know Princey got a special sexy way of saying things. "I sincerely **moan** wanna **oooh and ahhhh* make you weak for some wheat" followed by: "Wanna Pray With Me?" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: DesireeNevermind said: Perhaps he was fronting the whole time. A conformist pretending to be a noncomformist. Perhaps he is fronting now. A noncomformist pretending to conform. You can be pretty sure that he still says "fuck" just not so matter of factly as he did in his previous songs. Also, I can't blame his change of lyrics solely on his religous beliefs and neither can he. One would think that as you get older and wiser, the level of communication evolves and becomes more **cough** mature and articulate. IOW....Prince too damn old to be singing "I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth." Nobody is saying he still has to run around singing that song but changing lyrics changes the totaly dynamic of the song. Imagine he started singing: I sincerly want to bake some bread with your mom! | |
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Vendetta1 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Nobody is saying he still has to run around singing that song but changing lyrics changes the totaly dynamic of the song. Imagine he started singing: I sincerly want to bake some bread with your mom! It should be all or nothing. I know JWs don't approve of just one cheat 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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What amazes me the most is why cant people accept that someone has changed? Im a completely different person than I was 15 years ago. Ive let go of alot of anger, walked away from people who were holding me down, got closer to more positive people, gotten closer to God and other things that have made me and my life much different. I hate when i run into people that bring my past up, like I have no right to be different than I was back then.
Even without all the details that changed my life... we still grow up and grow older. That alone is reason enough for change. If I heard Prince at 51 singing "head", id lose alot of respect for him. He still has a somewhat sexual side musically, but he's alot more mature and classy about it. | |
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ronnwinter said: What amazes me the most is why cant people accept that someone has changed? Im a completely different person than I was 15 years ago. Ive let go of alot of anger, walked away from people who were holding me down, got closer to more positive people, gotten closer to God and other things that have made me and my life much different. I hate when i run into people that bring my past up, like I have no right to be different than I was back then.
Even without all the details that changed my life... we still grow up and grow older. That alone is reason enough for change. If I heard Prince at 51 singing "head", id lose alot of respect for him. He still has a somewhat sexual side musically, but he's alot more mature and classy about it. Exactly. His life is his own. What he does with his songs are what he does to his, let me say that again cause I don't think y'all heard me, HIS songs. Look, I'm not a fan of him changing the lyrics to his songs either but it doesn't change the fact that they are his songs, not ours. I won't allow him changing 3 words of a song that I enjoy stop me from still enjoying the song. He still knows how to make that song funky and that makes it worthwhile for me. [Edited 8/17/09 14:04pm] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: ronnwinter said: What amazes me the most is why cant people accept that someone has changed? Im a completely different person than I was 15 years ago. Ive let go of alot of anger, walked away from people who were holding me down, got closer to more positive people, gotten closer to God and other things that have made me and my life much different. I hate when i run into people that bring my past up, like I have no right to be different than I was back then.
Even without all the details that changed my life... we still grow up and grow older. That alone is reason enough for change. If I heard Prince at 51 singing "head", id lose alot of respect for him. He still has a somewhat sexual side musically, but he's alot more mature and classy about it. Exactly. His life is his own. What he does with his songs are what he does to his, let me say that again cause I don't think y'all heard me, HIS songs. Look, I'm not a fan of him changing the lyrics to his songs either but it doesn't change the fact that they are his songs, not ours. I won't allow him changing 3 words of a song that I enjoy stop me from still enjoying the song. He still knows how to make that song funky and that makes it worthwhile for me. [Edited 8/17/09 14:04pm] CON FOR MIST 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: purplecam said: Exactly. His life is his own. What he does with his songs are what he does to his, let me say that again cause I don't think y'all heard me, HIS songs. Look, I'm not a fan of him changing the lyrics to his songs either but it doesn't change the fact that they are his songs, not ours. I won't allow him changing 3 words of a song that I enjoy stop me from still enjoying the song. He still knows how to make that song funky and that makes it worthwhile for me. [Edited 8/17/09 14:04pm] CON FOR MIST Sic From Not Confirms To Scorn Motif Corn Of Mist Cost If Norm Translation: He can change the lyrics all he wants, he still dirrty. | |
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Tipper Gore won. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Tipper Gore won.
She sure the fuck did with her bobble head ass. Prince owes her a bit of gratitude for her enlightenment. We owe him a bit of gratitude for not having listened to her sooner. | |
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Like others have said, I think given his background and based on some of the comments of his peers during his formative years, Prince was always quite conservative. I think all the 'yesmen' surrounding him in his early years gave him a messiah complex where he thought he could create his own sex/God belief system in which he was the puppeteer and served to swell his fragile ego.
This may explain his obsession with both sexual, emotional and artistic control as he was picked on early in life so this was his way to protect himself from being hurt. I remember reading that when he and Roy Bennet(?) were discussing the plans for the set for the Controversy tour, Prince vetoed Roy's idea to have some sexual image of women in the backdrop as he didn't want to offend the ladies! Also, in PR his anti-drink stance with Appolonia seems a bit puritanical ('You don't need that!'). At the end of the day, He's a clever guy who set out to create a persona that would shock others and get him and his music noticed and make him seem like a badass. Once he'd achieved this, he seemed to lose interest in the more overt sexual themes before trying to recapture them again in the 90s when his popularity was on the decline and maybe he was going through some mid-life crisis. | |
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bigbrother said: Like others have said, I think given his background and based on some of the comments of his peers during his formative years, Prince was always quite conservative. I think all the 'yesmen' surrounding him in his early years gave him a messiah complex where he thought he could create his own sex/God belief system in which he was the puppeteer and served to swell his fragile ego.
This may explain his obsession with both sexual, emotional and artistic control as he was picked on early in life so this was his way to protect himself from being hurt. I remember reading that when he and Roy Bennet(?) were discussing the plans for the set for the Controversy tour, Prince vetoed Roy's idea to have some sexual image of women in the backdrop as he didn't want to offend the ladies! Also, in PR his anti-drink stance with Appolonia seems a bit puritanical ('You don't need that!'). At the end of the day, He's a clever guy who set out to create a persona that would shock others and get him and his music noticed and make him seem like a badass. Once he'd achieved this, he seemed to lose interest in the more overt sexual themes before trying to recapture them again in the 90s when his popularity was on the decline and maybe he was going through some mid-life crisis. swearing was less at issue in the 90s than the fact he was becoming a vegan vampire! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: jackielove said: I'm just curious, do you know Prince personally? Have you met him? You just seem to have some serious personal issues with Prince. Just wondering. Carry on! [Edited 8/15/09 21:37pm] Do you know me? No? Then shut the fuck up Whew!LOL! you sound very angry and evil! I won't shut up, because I have the RIGHT to speak, but I am DONE talking to you! Have and wonderful day! | |
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jackielove said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Do you know me? No? Then shut the fuck up Whew!LOL! you sound very angry and evil! I won't shut up, because I have the RIGHT to speak, but I am DONE talking to you! Have and wonderful day! Obviously you weren't done or you would have kept your mouth shut! I am evil to people like you so don't come back 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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DesireeNevermind said: Sic From Not Confirms To Scorn Motif Corn Of Mist Cost If Norm Translation: He can change the lyrics all he wants, he still dirrty. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Tipper Gore won.
This is truly the kicker. TIPPER. GODDAMN. GORE. WON. THE. FIGHT! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: 2freaky4church1 said: Tipper Gore won.
This is truly the kicker. TIPPER. GODDAMN. GORE. WON. THE. FIGHT! Yep, Prince was just exhausted from the battle. Tipper was really making it hard on him. And as we all know, Prince isnt very good at standing his ground. He has always buckled under pressure. Tell him to jump, and says "How high?" Prince was no match for Tipper. So over 2 decades later he throws in the towel. It was ALL about tipper. (SARCASM) | |
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ronnwinter said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: This is truly the kicker. TIPPER. GODDAMN. GORE. WON. THE. FIGHT! Yep, Prince was just exhausted from the battle. Tipper was really making it hard on him. And as we all know, Prince isnt very good at standing his ground. He has always buckled under pressure. Tell him to jump, and says "How high?" Prince was no match for Tipper. So over 2 decades later he throws in the towel. It was ALL about tipper. (SARCASM) She got her way though didn't she? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ronnwinter said: Yep, Prince was just exhausted from the battle. Tipper was really making it hard on him. And as we all know, Prince isnt very good at standing his ground. He has always buckled under pressure. Tell him to jump, and says "How high?" Prince was no match for Tipper. So over 2 decades later he throws in the towel. It was ALL about tipper. (SARCASM) She got her way though didn't she? She got her way YEARS AGO. The parental advisory was put into place back in the late 80's. Thats all she was after. So if you wanna get technical...Prince may have won, because my Gold Experience album has NO Parental Advisory on it, and if any album he has released needed one, it was that one! | |
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Yes, he has become a conformist, unfortunately. Joining the Jehovah's Witnesses only escalated it. | |
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peter430044 said: Yes, he has become a conformist, unfortunately. Joining the Jehovah's Witnesses only escalated it.
he's conforming by joining a wildly unpopular religion that many people call a "cult"? You do know what "conformist" means, right? "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: peter430044 said: Yes, he has become a conformist, unfortunately. Joining the Jehovah's Witnesses only escalated it.
he's conforming by joining a wildly unpopular religion that many people call a "cult"? You do know what "conformist" means, right? Yes, there's a contradiction between mainstream religion and odd religion, in that way he's not conformist. But what I meant is that he's a conformist in the sense that he has conformed to conservative ideas that society approves of. The JW are really conservative. But I could've formulated myself more clearly. [Edited 8/19/09 14:33pm] | |
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