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Thread started 08/08/09 7:07pm

NONSENSE

Lotus album & tour

Hindsight. So far, Prince has sold roughly 400,000 copies of LF. How many additional copies could have been sold if P would have toured the United States? Or just given the CD proper promotion? Especially, on the 25th Anniversary of P.R... was this an opportunity blown?
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Reply #1 posted 08/08/09 7:07pm

NONSENSE

cool
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Reply #2 posted 08/08/09 10:30pm

HonestMan13

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3 Hit n' Run shows in Los Angeles
3 nights straight on Leno
1 spot on Ellen
2 nights on Tavis Smiley
Allowing radio in Los Angeles to spin some tracks
(know full well they'd be all over the internet by sundown)
2 shows at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1 more night on Leno for the shows finale
About to hit Monaco
Target had the CD in the circular for weeks after it's release
Also had promotion throughout the stores

What more should he have done?
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #3 posted 08/08/09 10:39pm

GMAN2000

HonestMan13 said:

3 Hit n' Run shows in Los Angeles
3 nights straight on Leno
1 spot on Ellen
2 nights on Tavis Smiley
Allowing radio in Los Angeles to spin some tracks
(know full well they'd be all over the internet by sundown)
2 shows at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1 more night on Leno for the shows finale
About to hit Monaco
Target had the CD in the circular for weeks after it's release
Also had promotion throughout the stores

What more should he have done?


'What more should he have done?'...ok here's a list:

1.)Have an operable 'website' that people paid for on LAUNCH DATE!
2.)Had incorporated materials on his website that were unreleased
3.)Had a professional video 'in the can' on LF release
4.)'Freed' his 'babies-tracks' to all RADIO STATIONS.
5.)HAD 'LF' available for D/L on his website.
6.)Included some B-sides on single track releases.
7.)Maybe tuck away some free concert tickets in those Target LF CD's?
8.)Maybe tuck away some free website passes in those Target CD's?
9.)Maybe have an online web store...exclusive online only merchandise?
10.)Acknowledge the 25th anniversery of 'Purple Rain'....with something?
I can go on and on and on and on and on....
Prince is boring these days....he's burned alot of bridges, fans and insiders in the industry....he's old these days ya know?
GMAN
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Reply #4 posted 08/08/09 11:05pm

HonestMan13

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GMAN2000 said:

HonestMan13 said:

3 Hit n' Run shows in Los Angeles
3 nights straight on Leno
1 spot on Ellen
2 nights on Tavis Smiley
Allowing radio in Los Angeles to spin some tracks
(know full well they'd be all over the internet by sundown)
2 shows at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1 more night on Leno for the shows finale
About to hit Monaco
Target had the CD in the circular for weeks after it's release
Also had promotion throughout the stores

What more should he have done?


'What more should he have done?'...ok here's a list:

1.)Have an operable 'website' that people paid for on LAUNCH DATE!
I got access the minute I joined up. I did hear of some people experiencing trouble but that's the internet not Prince.
2.)Had incorporated materials on his website that were unreleased
The sphere contains video that you won't see on television now and live spots that you had to either watch or tivo to still enjoy them.
3.)Had a professional video 'in the can' on LF release
The 3 videos were hardly shot with a digital camera and uploaded on to YouTube.
4.)'Freed' his 'babies-tracks' to all RADIO STATIONS.
Find one radio station in every state that will play new Prince music without being paid for it.
5.)HAD 'LF' available for D/L on his website.
It was.
6.)Included some B-sides on single track releases.
What singles? Singles were phased out of record promotion in lieu of ringtones and Itunes offering a track for 99 cents. Why pay $5.99 for a CD single if the song you want is that cheap on Itunes.
7.)Maybe tuck away some free concert tickets in those Target LF CD's?
Dream On.
8.)Maybe tuck away some free website passes in those Target CD's?
Are we back on that 77 dollars again? Get over it already! There was no gun pointing at your head.
9.)Maybe have an online web store...exclusive online only merchandise?
This is the only point you have that I can get behind with some validity.
10.)Acknowledge the 25th anniversery of 'Purple Rain'....with something?
He didn't give a rat's ass whne it turned 20 and got a DVD re-release with bonuses. Why did you expect 5 years to suddenly make him nostalgic?
I can go on and on and on and on and on....
Prince is boring these days....he's burned alot of bridges, fans and insiders in the industry....he's old these days ya know?
GMAN
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #5 posted 08/09/09 3:22am

milleniumrain

NONSENSE said:

Hindsight. So far, Prince has sold roughly 400,000 copies of LF. How many additional copies could have been sold if P would have toured the United States? Or just given the CD proper promotion? Especially, on the 25th Anniversary of P.R... was this an opportunity blown?
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not being funny but its been like this since ONA so why so shocked

i don't think he cares for the commercial side i think if u buy it u buy it and if u don't..... i thinks that the attitude of a late. but don't quote me on it what would i know
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Reply #6 posted 08/09/09 3:51am

polkadotbliss

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at least the US had a release.....

i think in general-LF publicity-release-web site-all of it has seemed very hap-hazard. Almost unplanned-there seems no logic to it-and as the web site was the only place outside the US to get the album without paying £30 for it- was to join-and we all know what a disaster that was/is -whatever.....

wasted opportunity.....kind of an understatment there wink
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Reply #7 posted 08/09/09 5:42am

NONSENSE

i think a U.S. summer tour would have definitely increased sales. While touring U.S. cities he could have stopped and chatted with some of the top Radio DJ's. I mean if he wants radio play why not tour and have a conversation with the top Radio DJ's? They'd love to talk with him especially being the 25th Anniversary PR.
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Reply #8 posted 08/09/09 6:51am

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He sold enough to get paid from the deal.

The old cycle of promotion like you used to have from the major labels is over and even if he was with a label like Warners would they put in the promo like they would a younger artist?

I agree with the other points about the website but with these folks stealing and downloading from the site like they are that's a wasted effort as well.

If you love the man and respect his struggle against the industry you realize that he won with the Target deal.
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Reply #9 posted 08/09/09 7:45am

HonestMan13

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NONSENSE said:

i think a U.S. summer tour would have definitely increased sales. While touring U.S. cities he could have stopped and chatted with some of the top Radio DJ's. I mean if he wants radio play why not tour and have a conversation with the top Radio DJ's? They'd love to talk with him especially being the 25th Anniversary PR.
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Exactly. They'll want to talk about the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain. Not about Lotusflow3r or anything current.
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #10 posted 08/09/09 7:47am

sms130

GMAN2000 said:

HonestMan13 said:

3 Hit n' Run shows in Los Angeles
3 nights straight on Leno
1 spot on Ellen
2 nights on Tavis Smiley
Allowing radio in Los Angeles to spin some tracks
(know full well they'd be all over the internet by sundown)
2 shows at the Montreux Jazz Festival
1 more night on Leno for the shows finale
About to hit Monaco
Target had the CD in the circular for weeks after it's release
Also had promotion throughout the stores

What more should he have done?


'What more should he have done?'...ok here's a list:

1.)Have an operable 'website' that people paid for on LAUNCH DATE!
2.)Had incorporated materials on his website that were unreleased
3.)Had a professional video 'in the can' on LF release
4.)'Freed' his 'babies-tracks' to all RADIO STATIONS.
5.)HAD 'LF' available for D/L on his website.
6.)Included some B-sides on single track releases.
7.)Maybe tuck away some free concert tickets in those Target LF CD's?
8.)Maybe tuck away some free website passes in those Target CD's?
9.)Maybe have an online web store...exclusive online only merchandise?
10.)Acknowledge the 25th anniversery of 'Purple Rain'....with something?
I can go on and on and on and on and on....
Prince is boring these days....he's burned alot of bridges, fans and insiders in the industry....he's old these days ya know?
GMAN


I like those ideas!
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Reply #11 posted 08/09/09 8:01am

NONSENSE

HonestMan13 said:

NONSENSE said:

i think a U.S. summer tour would have definitely increased sales. While touring U.S. cities he could have stopped and chatted with some of the top Radio DJ's. I mean if he wants radio play why not tour and have a conversation with the top Radio DJ's? They'd love to talk with him especially being the 25th Anniversary PR.
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Exactly. They'll want to talk about the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain. Not about Lotusflow3r or anything current.


I disagree. Prince has a lot more clout with Urban radio than you think. They'd love to have the opportunity to chat with Prince. I agree Lotus was a success but it could have done better. Urban radio stations in Detroit, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta would love to get Prince on the air. He's done things like this in the past with DJ's like Mojo.
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Reply #12 posted 08/09/09 8:10am

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NONSENSE said:

HonestMan13 said:



Exactly. They'll want to talk about the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain. Not about Lotusflow3r or anything current.


I disagree. Prince has a lot more clout with Urban radio than you think. They'd love to have the opportunity to chat with Prince. I agree Lotus was a success but it could have done better. Urban radio stations in Detroit, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta would love to get Prince on the air. He's done things like this in the past with DJ's like Mojo.


I agree that DJ's would love to chat with Prince. So would reporters and tv personalities. The question is will program directors let his music get on the air once he's left the building. The kiss ass factor is good while he's sitting there but fades once he's gone. Anybody remember his TRL visit for The Greatest Romance. They amped it up while he was there but then forgot it the next day in their rotation. I think he's well aware of who has the balls to play his stuff regardless and gives them that chance like the LA radio station he gave tracks to.
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #13 posted 08/09/09 9:02am

Thumparello

NONSENSE said:

Hindsight. So far, Prince has sold roughly 400,000 copies of LF. How many additional copies could have been sold if P would have toured the United States? Or just given the CD proper promotion? Especially, on the 25th Anniversary of P.R... was this an opportunity blown?
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Keep in mind he is an older artist now and viewed as such by the masses. Plus he is no longer offering anything new, adventurous and exciting musically. It's not a bad lp but he just sounds like he's 20 years behind the times attempting to add a new touch to old sounds.

Musically he has been stuck in neutral for quite some time. I just listen to the live shows these days.
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Reply #14 posted 08/09/09 9:40am

jdcxc

HonestMan13 said:

NONSENSE said:



I disagree. Prince has a lot more clout with Urban radio than you think. They'd love to have the opportunity to chat with Prince. I agree Lotus was a success but it could have done better. Urban radio stations in Detroit, NYC, Chicago, Atlanta would love to get Prince on the air. He's done things like this in the past with DJ's like Mojo.


I agree that DJ's would love to chat with Prince. So would reporters and tv personalities. The question is will program directors let his music get on the air once he's left the building. The kiss ass factor is good while he's sitting there but fades once he's gone. Anybody remember his TRL visit for The Greatest Romance. They amped it up while he was there but then forgot it the next day in their rotation. I think he's well aware of who has the balls to play his stuff regardless and gives them that chance like the LA radio station he gave tracks to.


The reality is that independent artists, even genius music legends, will not get played on contemporary radio stations. They are not linked to the corporate synergy and payola of Clear Channel and the major labels who are in crisis mode. Playlists are tighter than ever. DJ's do not determine what is played anymore. Even older artists who are signed to major labels have trouble in this environment. Can you think of a black artist over the age of 50 who is still on contemporary radio playlists?

Prince has been exploring alternative marketing moves for the last 10 years for a reason. As an aging, African-American artist there is simply very little room in the market.

I don't know the satellite radio business model, but it seems that this may be a great opportunity for Prince to explore.
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Reply #15 posted 08/09/09 10:07am

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I think we need to stop wishing Prince had his act together. Bottom line is... he's passe.

I love his stuff, and will always support his music, but I don't think he wants to be at the top anymore. He just wants to release his music, and do what HE wants to do, and bang Bria, and the next chick of the year.

I can't argue with that.

Sure, I wish he was popular again so I could feel good about my favorite artist being in the limelight... but the fact of the matter is... non artists don't care about him anymore.

I'm coming to grips with that.

Let him do what he does... I'll dig a few tracks on any new album... and I'll always have my favorite eras to fall back on when he comes out with his wierd new looks, and lack of "Purple Rain" appeal.

Life is still very good for the purple man.
The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else!
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