A while back before I joined i was looking at a thread that said Prince said something that was downright sad about a starvos. Because I didn't Join yet i could inquire what it was and had to wait the three days, by then I forgot about it and just remembered. could someone tell me what he said?

I think you mean stauros.Search for it and you should find several threads.

thanks for the correction, but I searched and it said nothing found.

http://www.google.com/cse...&sa=Search


beyond that i can't help,as i stay away from religious stuff here
[Edited 7/24/09 22:24pm]

what is this all about?

in 1997 on VH1 - the Essence awards - Prince performed a different version of The Cross, renameing the song "The Christ", and he said some really weird thing about Jesus didn't die on a cross but on a stauros.... ????

I'm not a religous person and I didn't understand this and I still don't understand, and btw. I have no idea what a stauros actually is....

every church in Denmark have Jesus hanging on a cross

too bad Prince wnted to destroy that beautiful song THE CROSS..

Fuck you larry Graham and all you caused to Prince.

^ I don't care for Larry Graham, either but he isn't all to blame for Prince's direction. Prince is a grown man and he could have said no. Blame Prince for his misguided direction as well.

^ of course Larry Graham is to blame, take a read:

thedance said:

Stauros was a Hebrew or Greek (I think?) word that meant upright stake or pole. A cross having the cross beam (hence the name), but stauros was just a pole. The person being crucified would be hung with their hands over their head, often nailed to the pole, their legs broken (so they couldn't push up to breathe), and left there for days or weeks until they died. It was a brutal and sadistic way to die.

However, Larry and Prince overlooked part of history. The cross, as we know it to be a "t" shape, was used only a short period of time, which happened to be during Jesus' life time. (As a note, there were still many forms of a "cross" or a "stauros" used for crucifixions, not just the two I listed here.) Jesus was believed to be put on a "t" shaped cross, not a pole. However, because of the language of the time, there might not have been a word to describe a "t" shaped cross, so the generic "Stauros" was used instead. It's how you say "Can I have a Kleenex" meaning tissue. We should say "tissue" because "Kleenex" is a brand, not a generic term. But in that time, there wasn't a more specific word for "cross". It was just stauros.

Now, having said all that, Larry and Prince (and probably other JW's) believe that Christ was killed while impaled on a pole (with his hands tied over his head, not the pole literally going through the body, although that was a technique used back then as well; the Bible says that a soldier drove his sword into Christ's side after he died, and blood and water flowed out. Jesus' legs were never broken either. A prophecy in the Old Testament hundreds of years before said that no bone in His body would be broken, and it wasn't. Just as the soldiers went to break his legs to assure his final breaths, someone else jumped in and said "Don't do it, he's already dead.")

Prince's claim about the upright stake or pole is misleading, but it doesn't surprise me since the JW's do everything in their power to distance themselves from Christianity in general. Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Episcopals, etc really aren't that different in their beliefs. The same basic principals and ideas apply. It's the outer rim of those denominations is where they differ (like dunking or sprinkling in Baptisms, etc...silly stuff.) Theologians and other Bible scholars would not say (probably) that Jesus was impaled on a pole, but rather was put on a "t" shaped cross.

Hope that clears it up a bit.

Thank you very much, I just found the video of him on the essence awards, that was flippin ridiculous. I am fully in agreement with those who want Larry and all JW stuff out of Prince's life. That's a distinction that shouldn't even matter, but the JWs insist on coming off as some special cult. I believe them as much as I believe in "the secret". anyway I'm pretty sure the search engine here hates me. I cannot work it for my life. thanks again for the interesting explanation.

i've struggled w/ this 4 a while.when asked about my religious beliefs, i prefer the term "spiritual" because i do not believe that 1 religion embodies all biblical truths. i tend 2 take or believe a combination of religious beliefs from different denominations. i grew up baptist, but i struggle w/ "heaven" and "hell" i truly believe that they r scare tactics. i tend 2 wanna believe the jw's theory of the end of this system of things. i truly believe that life is about balance, not excess. i think 1sidedness impedes vision! w/ that said, i challenge all prince friends 2 deny the fact that P was much more spiritually profound b4 his jw-ism.the journey seems much more rewarding than the destination.please reply,enlighten,or disagree in love.

thedance said:

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2...011208.htm

Hi there!
I'm new here and I happen to be Greek.
I'm not sure if my intervention is going to be of any help but anyway...
I just wanted to tell you that the word "stauros" (pronounced stavros) means "cross" in modern Greek, both in a religious sense and as a shape.
On a little research on the online Liddell Scott dictionary I found that "stauros" had the meaning of an upright pale or stake back in Homer's time (8th cen. B.C.) while in the New Testament era it means "cross" just like today.
http://www.perseus.tufts....3D%2330150

So I can't say what Prince really meant by that (but I confess I'm glad he speaks a little greek! )

It really bothers me when Prince does this type of thing. The JW thing as a whole doesn't bother me but this level of detail about a cross does. I understand that the whole ethos of JW maybe different particularly when it comes to the Apocolypse but to go on about a cross or a pole is just soo pedantic that it comes across like arrogance-either way he was nailed and died-I think that may be the more significant part of the story. Its like everything has to be differentiated to give it any sense of authority. I believe in God and an afterlife but when P goes on about a Cross V a Pole it makes the LIFE OF BRIAN look like a proper documentary about how humans treat faith.Thank God JW wasn't around at the time of the reformation-there would be that much detailto fight over that debating the Sacraments and Transubstantiation would seem like a byline in the whole debate-even Luther would get bored

I always thought it was splitting hairs. I mean making a point about whether Jesus was hung on a cross or a pole is akin to arguing if Dorothy Gales slippers were ruby red or silver.

unless you meant Harry Enfields' character Stavros?

Be careful, this thread will get moved to Politics and religion where it almost belongs. Larry Graham did not tie Prince to a chair and force feed Jehovah down his throat. Plus this was years ago. leave Prince's religious choice alone!
[Edited 8/4/09 7:51am]

Dayclear said:

agreed