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Reply #60 posted 07/28/09 12:51pm

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muleFunk said:

People say "Prince didn't market the song".

He made a video for the song and it was played in the video rotations. The song was a "hit" as far as Prince 2000's was concerned because a video was made.

After the video is made the RECORD COMPANY will make the song a hit or let it die.


Just cause you do a video don't mean squat. besides, WHO plays videos anymore? Seriously...MTV, VH1? What at midnight?...wow that's great for promotion! It was NOT in heavy rotation on radios across the country, though I did hear it here and there.
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Reply #61 posted 07/28/09 12:51pm

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Simple: no strong melody lines / the lack of a chorus.

It might have the kind of refreshing minimalistic funk-sound of Kiss, but Kiss was 'built around' a well written composition, Black Sweat wasn't.

Just like the song 3121 is no If I was your girlfriend or Housequake, and Dance 4 me is no Erotic City, Black Sweat is no Kiss.
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Reply #62 posted 07/28/09 1:19pm

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Riverpoet31 said:

Simple: no strong melody lines / the lack of a chorus.

It might have the kind of refreshing minimalistic funk-sound of Kiss, but Kiss was 'built around' a well written composition, Black Sweat wasn't.

Just like the song 3121 is no If I was your girlfriend or Housequake, and Dance 4 me is no Erotic City, Black Sweat is no Kiss.



clapping I still hear Kiss more than I hear Black Sweat on the radio.
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Reply #63 posted 07/28/09 1:48pm

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L0tusFl0w3r said:

Ive just been listening to black sweat and it made me think why do you think it didn't do better in the charts in 2006? I think its a REALLY good song


I can answer THIS question in one word: Ageism!

Black Sweat was a type of Prince-song that was able to go toe-to-toe against Justin Timberlake's Sexyback in 2006. But most of the Clear Channel-owned Top 40 radio stations wouldn't allow the Prince VS. Justin rivalry to happen, despite that both artists went public with their opinions concerning Sexyback. In other words, Prince was looked down on by some in the music industry as someone that was "too old" to compete against an artist of a younger generation.
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Reply #64 posted 07/28/09 2:56pm

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I reckon it's because the album/studio version is pretty flat and maybe a bit soulless.

Hear it live and it's a different matter! Why didn't he add horns, that crazy keyboard and amazing bass to the studio version? It's possibly my favourite tune from 21 nights.

Prince refers to gatekeepers a lot, and I think it's true, if you're signed to a major label you can guarantee chart success. Look at how much hype surrounded Musicology (released through Sony) - this was his return to form. Personally I thought it was an 'ok' album, albeit with stellar musicianship and production.
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Reply #65 posted 07/28/09 5:13pm

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TonyVanDam said:

L0tusFl0w3r said:

Ive just been listening to black sweat and it made me think why do you think it didn't do better in the charts in 2006? I think its a REALLY good song


I can answer THIS question in one word: Ageism!

Black Sweat was a type of Prince-song that was able to go toe-to-toe against Justin Timberlake's Sexyback in 2006. But most of the Clear Channel-owned Top 40 radio stations wouldn't allow the Prince VS. Justin rivalry to happen, despite that both artists went public with their opinions concerning Sexyback. In other words, Prince was looked down on by some in the music industry as someone that was "too old" to compete against an artist of a younger generation.


what about Madonna ? Born the same year as prince
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Reply #66 posted 07/28/09 8:11pm

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L0tusFl0w3r said:

TonyVanDam said:



I can answer THIS question in one word: Ageism!

Black Sweat was a type of Prince-song that was able to go toe-to-toe against Justin Timberlake's Sexyback in 2006. But most of the Clear Channel-owned Top 40 radio stations wouldn't allow the Prince VS. Justin rivalry to happen, despite that both artists went public with their opinions concerning Sexyback. In other words, Prince was looked down on by some in the music industry as someone that was "too old" to compete against an artist of a younger generation.


what about Madonna ? Born the same year as prince


Are we talking about THE same Madonna that had to lower her standards by appearing on 106 & Park (a shit-hop/r&b [rhythmless bullshit] based show no less) to promote the Hard Candy album by entertaining a bunch of kids that weren't aware that Lucky Star was Madonna's first video to play on BET and not 4 minutes?!?

Madonna herself has also been a victim of ageism within the industry, but in a different way from Prince. And THAT^ story proves my point. She had to step down to the level of kids just to re-kick start USA album sales that weren't there since Bedtime Stories. And those same kids are mostly fans of Beyonce.

Prince didn't have to step down to that level because it was Justin & Timbaland themselves that was stepping to Prince's level (studio production-wise that is, because they're can NOT beat Prince in live performamces!). But in the end, The Clear Channel-owned Top 40 radio stations chosen to NOT allow Prince to compete against the younger MPLS-wannabe sounding Justin.
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Reply #67 posted 07/29/09 12:41am

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Reply #68 posted 07/29/09 12:45am

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"Black Sweat" is a great song, biggrin

but it didn't help the sales with no 12 inch extended version and no real b-side,

I mean "Beautiful Loved & Blessed" is a crappy b-side... sad
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Reply #69 posted 07/29/09 12:50am

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Jasziah said:

didn't "do better"?
what's that mean?


I think it means "Black Sweat" only made it to # 60 on the Billboard Hot 100 list. wink

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Reply #70 posted 07/29/09 4:01am

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but it didn't help the sales with no 12 inch extended version and no real b-side...

The B-Side concept in the music biz is over by far, most major labels don't even press singles anymore, nowadays it's all about digital marketing and that "pay to get played" radio thing, super-sad but true...
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Reply #71 posted 07/29/09 4:06am

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^ yeah thats a pity,

but Black Sweat was a cd single,

I have 2 versions (a normal cd single, and 1 in paper cover whateverthatiscalled),

both - incl. BL&B as b-sides.. confused
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Reply #72 posted 07/29/09 4:36am

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but Black Sweat was a cd single...

I know, I have the red vinyl and the CD single with the video but what I was trying to say is singles charts are not based on physical sells anymore.

My guess is Prince singles are pressed only because of die-hard fans and completists; speaking of BS, a non-album track would have been better than BL&B but Prince was heavily into Tamar at the time.

Plus, who really knowks about the contract between Prince and Universal? Maybe they settled a deal for the 12 album tracks and nothing else and they made the single out of that deal, just guessing...
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Reply #73 posted 07/29/09 6:29am

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There are some good sound in the song
but the song as a whole is kinda weak

Black Sweat, you get a really obvious 'black' woman in black girating while you drink black coffee and people think about how uncool that can be especially when you don't really date women like that. I don't care how he dates but when you do something like that it become non relatable, just like Michael Jacksons songs after Bad that were sexual songs about a woman

If he had a different woman in the video for me I would have probably not been so distracted.
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Reply #74 posted 07/29/09 6:36am

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I think it was his best song that he did in years. It would have been great on MPLSound. Although the video was in heavy rotation, the younger crowd prefer those dreadful younger artist.
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Reply #75 posted 07/29/09 8:24am

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it's cuz there was no crazy dancing or trend starting video promo... and no crazy remix version maybe? And bad artwork?

Prince was too calm and reserved?
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Reply #76 posted 07/29/09 2:19pm

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Don't care at all about charts but that song was not good. Synths were annoying as hell and there was absolutely NO hook. Love would've been a much better choice if he wanted a hit. Personally 3121 & The Word were the two choice cuts from that album.
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Reply #77 posted 07/29/09 2:59pm

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MantuaPharoah said:

Sadly, because Prince has become passe.

If Justin Timberlake did the same song... with the SAME title even, it would have been a #1 SMASH!

Maybe Prince should just start giving his songs away. (I don't mean this. I'm just bitter because "our hero" isn't mainstream anymore.)

Seriously... the song was "okay"... not great... but a contemporary singer could have taken it to the top of the charts.

Same with "Here" from Lotus Flower. Great song! Yet, ignored but the general "non Prince fan" public. So sad.
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Can you imagine if Timberlake or Andre 3000 recorded $.... its the same thing

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