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Printablenyse said:[quote]hit/b-sides [quote]
+ the single peach, the momentum was gone... | |
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ForbiddenFruit said:[quote]nyse said:[quote]hit/ b-sides
+ the single peach, the momentum was gone... but i think that's an album that if someone has never been into prince and just wants some kind of generic introduction to his music, they would buy the hits. that or now, i suppose, ultimate prince. and that can't hurt his career, even if he wants to pitch a fit about it. | |
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vivid said: 3232 said: You right about "peaks and valleys"...and prince seem to have more VALLEYS than any of the other big names in the biz...think about it, who else has so many flops? COME...GB...THE VAULT...ATWIAD...CHAOS & DISORDER...EMANCIPATION...RAVE 2 THE JOY FANTASTIC...LOVESEXY...& could go on & on...dont get me wrong, some of these are simply brilliant and at times groundbreaking...so when i say "flop" I am simply talking about commercial success...the success(sales)& airplay an artist of Prince's caliber should be generating...so I guess instead, one should be asking what is it about Prince (the person/ musician / the biz man)overall thats limiting /stifling his bankability? ATWIAD sold 3 million - not a flop. GB and Lovesexy were both Number 1 albums in the UK, and I suspect did quite well in other European markets. I'm not saying he hasn't had any flop albums - but not as many as you make out. ATWIAD selling 3 million back in '85 is considered a flop...coming off the heels of purple rain? Oh thats a big flop considering that Prince ruled around that era...selling 3 million now is considered great..not in 85...not for an artist of Prince's caliber...MJ's follow up to triller, how many did it sell? | |
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xlr8r said: ATWIAD
Man after PR, I and the world was wondering what he was going to feed us next. And it was ATWIAD (smh). Granted, it may have been the best move or the ONLY move he could have done considering expectations, but with PR he became "the" rock god. We were waiting to be taken higher, not to Pailey Park(s). hahahah! yeah..not to paisley park : ) | |
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3232 said: squirrelgrease said: It wasn't Purple Rain Part 2, so the fair-weather fans went elsewhere. But I don't know that it hurt his career. A career in music that lasts for thirty-plus years will have peaks and valleys. I'm not particularly sure that an album could ever do the damage that his reputation as a litigious, cash-centric and spoiled nut-job have done. You right about "peaks and valleys"...and prince seem to have more VALLEYS than any of the other big names in the biz...think about it, who else has so many flops? COME...GB...THE VAULT...ATWIAD...CHAOS & DISORDER...EMANCIPATION...RAVE 2 THE JOY FANTASTIC...LOVESEXY...& could go on & on...dont get me wrong, some of these are simply brilliant and at times groundbreaking...so when i say "flop" I am simply talking about commercial success...the success(sales)& airplay an artist of Prince's caliber should be generating...so I guess instead, one should be asking what is it about Prince (the person/ musician / the biz man)overall thats limiting /stifling his bankability? It's not like that many other big names have released anywhere close to as many albums at the same pace as Prince. Release more albums, you'll have more valleys, simple math. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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NouveauDance said: Come didn't feature MBGITW, a number one single, Letitgo, a real buzz kill of a track, was the lead single, with no video or promo. Space was a brilliant song, and single, but again, no video and no promo. The album didn't stand a chance As far as TMBGITW that was Warners fault. When Prince offered it to them they refused it and gave him permission to release it on Bellmark. When it hit number one they blocked Lovesign as a second independent single. He got 1 800 NEW FUNK out because it wasn't a Prince/  album. Letitgo had a video thrown together by Warner Brothers and released a series of clips from the Sacrifice of Victor era (typhoon hair and Prince esta muerte vibe). Race, Pheromone, Come, Loose, Papa & Orgasm all had videos that were aired as part of the "Beautiful Experience" starring Nona Gaye. That was actually one of his most heavily video translated albums ever. Only 2 tracks didn't get videos(Dark & Solo).[Edited 7/24/09 19:31pm] When  go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all  up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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ElCapitan said: 3232 said: You right about "peaks and valleys"...and prince seem to have more VALLEYS than any of the other big names in the biz...think about it, who else has so many flops? COME...GB...THE VAULT...ATWIAD...CHAOS & DISORDER...EMANCIPATION...RAVE 2 THE JOY FANTASTIC...LOVESEXY...& could go on & on...dont get me wrong, some of these are simply brilliant and at times groundbreaking...so when i say "flop" I am simply talking about commercial success...the success(sales)& airplay an artist of Prince's caliber should be generating...so I guess instead, one should be asking what is it about Prince (the person/ musician / the biz man)overall thats limiting /stifling his bankability? It's not like that many other big names have released anywhere close to as many albums at the same pace as Prince. Release more albums, you'll have more valleys, simple math. So true. It's not any one album that discouraged the casual listener from exploring his career as enthusiastically as the diehard - it's ALL of them. I enjoy them all on some level, and that's what music is made for, right? Enjoyment. Guess it's hard for some people to keep up with a pop artist who released albums almost as often as Frank Zappa did in his time. Before the advent of the download, it got to be a rather expensive affair to keep up with either artist. Is it worth it in the end, to chase every release, when some are satisfied with the five or six that are easy to love? As a wise man once told me, it's good if you like it. | |
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exenn said: ElCapitan said: It's not like that many other big names have released anywhere close to as many albums at the same pace as Prince. Release more albums, you'll have more valleys, simple math. So true. It's not any one album that discouraged the casual listener from exploring his career as enthusiastically as the diehard - it's ALL of them. I enjoy them all on some level, and that's what music is made for, right? Enjoyment. Guess it's hard for some people to keep up with a pop artist who released albums almost as often as Frank Zappa did in his time. Before the advent of the download, it got to be a rather expensive affair to keep up with either artist. Is it worth it in the end, to chase every release, when some are satisfied with the five or six that are easy to love? As a wise man once told me, it's good if you like it. I ask him whether he minds having records that aren't very successful. "No," he says. "They all serve a purpose. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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GRAFFITI BRIDGE
I found it weird enough that he had a couple of hits after that. Come didnt help either | |
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My pick is ATWIAD. When I talk to most people and they find out I am a Prince fan they always say, " I loved his old stuff. He was cool then..". The line in the sand usually starts with ATWIAD. Its the beginning of the end for the black R&B rooted listeners in my opinion. There were songs here and there that people picked up on later but, it was never the same. Even my Dad, who is one of the reasons I am a Prince fan, started buying only singles after Parade. Shake....shake, shake, shake. |
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ForbiddenFruit said:[quote]nyse said:[quote]hit/ b-sides
+ the single peach, the momentum was gone... 
For me, this album was the entrance to the Prince galaxy. After i bought Batman and Grafiti Bridge back in the days, the Hits/B-sides album made me to buy all the other albums and i was totally stunned by his music from that point on... | |
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purpleizpassion said: My pick is ATWIAD. When I talk to most people and they find out I am a Prince fan they always say, " I loved his old stuff. He was cool then..". The line in the sand usually starts with ATWIAD. Its the beginning of the end for the black R&B rooted listeners in my opinion. There were songs here and there that people picked up on later but, it was never the same. Even my Dad, who is one of the reasons I am a Prince fan, started buying only singles after Parade.
One of my best friends in HS was a HUGE fan up to and including Purple Rain. He was a moderate fan of ATWIAD and its b-sides, but lost interest at Parade completely. I don't even think he owned SOTT, which is a shame. A lot of the people who followed him coming up wanted him to be the new Hendrix, a rock virtuoso who happened to look really cool. |
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purpleizpassion said: My pick is ATWIAD. When I talk to most people and they find out I am a Prince fan they always say, " I loved his old stuff. He was cool then..". The line in the sand usually starts with ATWIAD. Its the beginning of the end for the black R&B rooted listeners in my opinion. There were songs here and there that people picked up on later but, it was never the same. Even my Dad, who is one of the reasons I am a Prince fan, started buying only singles after Parade.
around the world is not the beginning of the end, it was the beginning - here in europe. | |
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purpleizpassion said: My pick is ATWIAD. When I talk to most people and they find out I am a Prince fan they always say, " I loved his old stuff. He was cool then..". The line in the sand usually starts with ATWIAD. Its the beginning of the end for the black R&B rooted listeners in my opinion. There were songs here and there that people picked up on later but, it was never the same. Even my Dad, who is one of the reasons I am a Prince fan, started buying only singles after Parade.
I remember in ATWIAD came out black radio(here) and the black fans of PR Prince were rocking Raspberry Beret, America, Girl, the Ladder, She's Always In My Hair & Hello these were very popular songs where I come from I always find it interesting when the whole black/funk question come around for this album, those same people who supposedly question or are shaky about it were hardcore fans of Purple Rain a more rock oriented album | |
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coolcat said: Graffitti Bridge.
Yep. It didn't matter how popular he was with the general public; he always had the music critics on-side with him - until Graffiti Bridge. | |
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GirlBrother said: coolcat said: Graffitti Bridge.
Yep. It didn't matter how popular he was with the general public; he always had the music critics on-side with him - until Graffiti Bridge. Parade had a pretty fair share of negative reviews and more than a few reviewers said that SOTT would have been a lot better as a single album. At the time, Rolling Stone was pretty disappointed with SOTT, although they've since changed their review. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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Without a doubt Lovesexy. Between the cover, the cd being one long track and the lack of a second single Lovesexy was Prince's first real commercial disappointment. | |
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rialb said: Without a doubt Lovesexy. Between the cover, the cd being one long track and the lack of a second single Lovesexy was Prince's first real commercial disappointment.
Lovesexy had three singles, all with music videos. Alphabet Street, Glam Slam, and Eye Wish U heaven. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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I always thought 'the hits' was a bad idea. You should only put out a greatest hits collection when you are going to take a break or retire (in my opinion). I think after that people paid less attention to him... | |
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ElCapitan said: rialb said: Without a doubt Lovesexy. Between the cover, the cd being one long track and the lack of a second single Lovesexy was Prince's first real commercial disappointment.
Lovesexy had three singles, all with music videos. Alphabet Street, Glam Slam, and Eye Wish U heaven. Oops, what I meant was the lack of a second hit single. "Glam Slam" and "I Wish U Heaven" both performed abysmally on the pop singles chart. | |
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piku said: I always thought 'the hits' was a bad idea. You should only put out a greatest hits collection when you are going to take a break or retire (in my opinion). I think after that people paid less attention to him...
People stopped paying attention to him because with a few exceptions ("The Most Beautiful Girl In The World" and "I Hate U") he stopped having hits. | |
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piku said: I always thought 'the hits' was a bad idea. You should only put out a greatest hits collection when you are going to take a break or retire (in my opinion). I think after that people paid less attention to him...
That was the point - "Prince" was retiring, and the new era of was beginning.
But even that wasn't done smoothly. Retiring "Prince" with the " " album, then releasing a Prince greatest hits, then new albums would've been cool.
As it happened, they were intermingled for a few years and confused the situation. |
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rialb said: ElCapitan said: Lovesexy had three singles, all with music videos. Alphabet Street, Glam Slam, and Eye Wish U heaven. Oops, what I meant was the lack of a second hit single. "Glam Slam" and "I Wish U Heaven" both performed abysmally on the pop singles chart. Ah, I see. I might vote for Parade as the first (post Purple Rain) commercial disappointment. It hit big in Europe but not so much in the States. Like Lovesexy, Parade also had only one top ten U.S. hit single. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: rialb said: Oops, what I meant was the lack of a second hit single. "Glam Slam" and "I Wish U Heaven" both performed abysmally on the pop singles chart. Ah, I see. I might vote for Parade as the first (post Purple Rain) commercial disappointment. It hit big in Europe but not so much in the States. Like Lovesexy, Parade also had only one top ten U.S. hit single. I still don't think that made him "irrelevant" in the mainstream again the sounds from this album influence music into the early 90's just like PR, people still took notice, the videos were still hot and got good airplay It was probably the movie that tarnished the goods of the album I think Parade was like Controversy in the critics eye Dream Factory would have been like the follow-up 1999 | |
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MantuaPharoah said: prime said: To me there was two:LoveSexy and the symbol album. LoveSexy was just terrible and got such bad press with the album cover.The symbol album was a let down.Everyone was waiting for Diamonds and Pearls pt II and we didn't get. It turned out to be a bootleg Chronic cd. What killed his career... The name change and filler cd's. The avg person didn't understand everything and he just seemed crazy. He should have just worked a few more years WB. It wasn't like he was dropping the bombs under his new name. Plus, where is all the music "3 albums or more per year?" He lost a lot. By the time Emancipation came no on cared.
I don't think the Symbol Album hurt his career. It came right after D&P, and right before Come. That had/has some hit material, and wasn't promoted well at all! Sexy MF was hot, The Morning Papers could have been a hit, Blue Light could have gotten some air play, 7 was decent, The Continental could have been a hit... and that's just off the top of my head. Oh... And God Created Woman is AMAZING! Could have been a nice radio tune. I think the Symbol Album was a little bit of a comeback... albeit a drop off from the commercial success of D&P, but proved he still had the talent to be creative and groundbreaking... but by the time Come came out 2 years later, and with only Letitgo getting radio play... black radio at that... Prince was pretty much done being relevant. So I still say Come was the album that hurt his career the most. Very self-indulged... albeit good to many fans... but offered very little to sustain his dimishing reign. There was a lot of "could have been hot" and "could have been a hit"....which ddin't happen. To us the album was cool, but to the public it sucked. It opened with SexyMF and then My name is Prince. Both were duds and got no air play. My point was after Diamonds and Pearls which was received so well by people outside of his core his follow disappointed and he fell off. Don't get me wrong...COME sucked as well, but Symbol was still my pick (after LoveSexy). Prime aka The Kid
"I need u to dance, I need u to strip I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips I need u to grind like Ur working for tips And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE" | |
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prime said: MantuaPharoah said: I don't think the Symbol Album hurt his career. It came right after D&P, and right before Come. That had/has some hit material, and wasn't promoted well at all! Sexy MF was hot, The Morning Papers could have been a hit, Blue Light could have gotten some air play, 7 was decent, The Continental could have been a hit... and that's just off the top of my head. Oh... And God Created Woman is AMAZING! Could have been a nice radio tune. I think the Symbol Album was a little bit of a comeback... albeit a drop off from the commercial success of D&P, but proved he still had the talent to be creative and groundbreaking... but by the time Come came out 2 years later, and with only Letitgo getting radio play... black radio at that... Prince was pretty much done being relevant. So I still say Come was the album that hurt his career the most. Very self-indulged... albeit good to many fans... but offered very little to sustain his dimishing reign. There was a lot of "could have been hot" and "could have been a hit"....which ddin't happen. To us the album was cool, but to the public it sucked. It opened with SexyMF and then My name is Prince. Both were duds and got no air play. My point was after Diamonds and Pearls which was received so well by people outside of his core his follow disappointed and he fell off. Don't get me wrong...COME sucked as well, but Symbol was still my pick (after LoveSexy). I don't know how much airplay SM got in other cities but it was played alot here especially for it's James Brownish vibe I had already fallen out of love with Prince by the time this album came out, but love this song and video | |
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Lovesexy did really well in Europe didn't it? I see Parade and Lovesexy as perhaps harming him in the short-term, helping him in the long-run...
I think Graffitti Bridge was the real downfall both commercially and artistically... I think they are both linked... I think it was mentioned before... but here is where I felt Prince really started following outside trends, in particular New Jack Swing... and it worked against him... | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: ElCapitan said: Ah, I see. I might vote for Parade as the first (post Purple Rain) commercial disappointment. It hit big in Europe but not so much in the States. Like Lovesexy, Parade also had only one top ten U.S. hit single. I still don't think that made him "irrelevant" in the mainstream again the sounds from this album influence music into the early 90's just like PR, people still took notice, the videos were still hot and got good airplay It was probably the movie that tarnished the goods of the album I think Parade was like Controversy in the critics eye Dream Factory would have been like the follow-up 1999 I don't parade or lovesexy made prince irrelevant on the charts. My point was just that lovesexy wasn't his first commercial disappointment after PR. That honor goes to Parade. I think prince's main problem on the charts had more to do with his battle with wb more than any particular album. By the time that was all over people had moved on. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: prime said: There was a lot of "could have been hot" and "could have been a hit"....which ddin't happen. To us the album was cool, but to the public it sucked. It opened with SexyMF and then My name is Prince. Both were duds and got no air play. My point was after Diamonds and Pearls which was received so well by people outside of his core his follow disappointed and he fell off. Don't get me wrong...COME sucked as well, but Symbol was still my pick (after LoveSexy). I don't know how much airplay SM got in other cities but it was played alot here especially for it's James Brownish vibe I had already fallen out of love with Prince by the time this album came out, but love this song and video Where you live? To be honest no one heard of it in my town (not sure about MPLS) until the single was at Musicland (remember that place?).... The video was cool (P was a little pale, but it was cool) and I saw where they filmed it. Prime aka The Kid
"I need u to dance, I need u to strip I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips I need u to grind like Ur working for tips And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE" | |
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