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Printablemethodcal said: I agree with the thoughts about his age. My question is, if the 'bad boy' Prince was still as bad today, wouldn't it become a bit pasé or tired after a while? I wouldn't mind it on occasion, but the musical ability on stage that is being offered in exchange for lace, humping the mic, and no-ass pants is a fair trade for me personally. I also think that the musical flirting and lyrical innuendos will never fade away entirely.
[Edited 7/23/09 7:16am] Agreed 
People need to get over this already! I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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purplecam said: peter430044 said: Watch out! The age police is here. 
I'm 29 and being right doesn't have a 40-year-old age limit. Sex is central to the human condition and is to be celebrated, that includes being free-spoken, otherwise you're holding back. Subtle and explicit singing about sex are not enemies of one another, it's variation, one should use all the tools, not throw some of the tools away and become prude. And I'm 30 and that means nothing. People have the right to change how they view sex and how they express it. You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice to express sex how he wants to. That's part of growing up and maturing, which a lot of people in here still need to do, no matter how old they are. Of course it's everybody's right to change how they view sex, that's obvious and shouldn't have to be brought up, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their choice and put a gag on my opinions. One aspect about being mature is to realize this. | |
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HonestMan13 said: peter430044 said: If he sang "in my daddy's car" at 51 it wouldn't be taken literally. [Edited 7/23/09 7:06am] Exactly! It loses it's impact when sung by an older gentleman. While these songs are indeed classics they also are dated by the times they were recorded in for the most part. Some could still translate to a performance now but maybe Prince no longer feels "it" when he sings these lines. Since the part about daddy's car wouldn't be taken literally there would be no problem for him to sing about it. The impact would be stronger at a younger age, but that doesn't mean it loses it's impact at any age. Sung at 51, it would be taken for what it is, a look back at life as a youth. | |
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peter430044 said: purplecam said: And I'm 30 and that means nothing. People have the right to change how they view sex and how they express it. You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice to express sex how he wants to. That's part of growing up and maturing, which a lot of people in here still need to do, no matter how old they are. Of course it's everybody's right to change how they view sex, that's obvious and shouldn't have to be brought up, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their choice and put a gag on my opinions. One aspect about being mature is to realize this. No one's trying to stop you from having the opinion but one needs to realize that people are not going to cater to what you want just cause you want it. Prince shouldn't have to be sexually explicit just to sing about sex. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough. Hardcore isn't always sexy. Look at today's so-called "R&B" or Hip Hop and you'll see what I mean. In fact, people will accuse Prince of trying to sound like that if he does go back to being sexually explicit, I guarantee you that. I respect you having the view that you have. Hell, I'd even love for him to sing those songs again and do songs like that now, but that's not where he is and I choose to accept and respect that. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: peter430044 said: Of course it's everybody's right to change how they view sex, that's obvious and shouldn't have to be brought up, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with their choice and put a gag on my opinions. One aspect about being mature is to realize this. No one's trying to stop you from having the opinion but one needs to realize that people are not going to cater to what you want just cause you want it. Prince shouldn't have to be sexually explicit just to sing about sex. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough. Hardcore isn't always sexy. Look at today's so-called "R&B" or Hip Hop and you'll see what I mean. In fact, people will accuse Prince of trying to sound like that if he does go back to being sexually explicit, I guarantee you that. I respect you having the view that you have. Hell, I'd even love for him to sing those songs again and do songs like that now, but that's not where he is and I choose to accept and respect that. quote: "You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice..." You kind of implicated that I didn't accept that it's his choice. I would never think that someone would do as I say just because I want it. But I do think it's importnant to stand up for my values. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough, sometimes it isn't. My point about explicit sexual expression is that it shouldn't have an age limit, and shouldn't be criticized as "oh, he's trying to sound like those guys" because sex is not about being trendy, it's a natural component of any art form. | |
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peter430044 said: purplecam said: No one's trying to stop you from having the opinion but one needs to realize that people are not going to cater to what you want just cause you want it. Prince shouldn't have to be sexually explicit just to sing about sex. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough. Hardcore isn't always sexy. Look at today's so-called "R&B" or Hip Hop and you'll see what I mean. In fact, people will accuse Prince of trying to sound like that if he does go back to being sexually explicit, I guarantee you that. I respect you having the view that you have. Hell, I'd even love for him to sing those songs again and do songs like that now, but that's not where he is and I choose to accept and respect that. quote: "You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice..." You kind of implicated that I didn't accept that it's his choice. I would never think that someone would do as I say just because I want it. But I do think it's importnant to stand up for my values. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough, sometimes it isn't. My point about explicit sexual expression is that it shouldn't have an age limit, and shouldn't be criticized as "oh, he's trying to sound like those guys" because sex is not about being trendy, it's a natural component of any art form. I hear you but P is that he's going to do what he want to do whenever he wants to do it. Like I said earlier in the thread, we may hear him sing Erotic City again, who knows but I also don't think that the sex is gone either. It's just in a different manner. Prince can't suppress his sexuality, even as a 51 year old JW. Its there for the world to see. I saw it first hand in October, so I know it's true. Wait and see what Prince does next. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: peter430044 said: quote: "You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice..." You kind of implicated that I didn't accept that it's his choice. I would never think that someone would do as I say just because I want it. But I do think it's importnant to stand up for my values. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough, sometimes it isn't. My point about explicit sexual expression is that it shouldn't have an age limit, and shouldn't be criticized as "oh, he's trying to sound like those guys" because sex is not about being trendy, it's a natural component of any art form. I hear you but P is that he's going to do what he want to do whenever he wants to do it. Like I said earlier in the thread, we may hear him sing Erotic City again, who knows but I also don't think that the sex is gone either. It's just in a different manner. Prince can't suppress his sexuality, even as a 51 year old JW. Its there for the world to see. I saw it first hand in October, so I know it's true. Wait and see what Prince does next. Fortunately it's not all gone. He still makes a lot of sexy music. | |
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peter430044 said: purplecam said: I hear you but P is that he's going to do what he want to do whenever he wants to do it. Like I said earlier in the thread, we may hear him sing Erotic City again, who knows but I also don't think that the sex is gone either. It's just in a different manner. Prince can't suppress his sexuality, even as a 51 year old JW. Its there for the world to see. I saw it first hand in October, so I know it's true. Wait and see what Prince does next. Fortunately it's not all gone. He still makes a lot of sexy music. Exactly!!! He still can seduce with with the eyes, he still plays with words in his songs and the bedroom vibe is still here and that's real sexiness right there! Woo! I just love me some Prince man!!!! Where's my iPod?  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: peter430044 said: quote: "You needs to accept and respect the fact that it's Prince's choice..." You kind of implicated that I didn't accept that it's his choice. I would never think that someone would do as I say just because I want it. But I do think it's importnant to stand up for my values. Sometimes just saying certain things in a certain way is enough, sometimes it isn't. My point about explicit sexual expression is that it shouldn't have an age limit, and shouldn't be criticized as "oh, he's trying to sound like those guys" because sex is not about being trendy, it's a natural component of any art form. I hear you but P is that he's going to do what he want to do whenever he wants to do it. Like I said earlier in the thread, we may hear him sing Erotic City again, who knows but I also don't think that the sex is gone either. It's just in a different manner. Prince can't suppress his sexuality, even as a 51 year old JW. Its there for the world to see. I saw it first hand in October, so I know it's true. Wait and see what Prince does next. Erotic City to me is a very mature song, it's just that, about making love either to make babies or not, it's a song about a state of being One of my favorites musically, I don't even need to words for this song, something about that bass line and then the keys coming in He did an instrumental of the song a preview to the new album at his house earlier this year  [Edited 7/23/09 13:24pm] | |
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purplecam said: Prince won't win even if he does sing songs like Head or Erotic City again. People will say "he's to old to be singing that" or in this place specifically, people will wonder how "honest" he's being singing those songs today or how inspiring the performance was behind Darling Nikki or Sexy MF. It's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
I understand that But I also understand that performing songs can be just that I performance * most people know Dirty Diana and some other songs by Michael Jackson were just stories, but it's the performance I think most people know(or believe) Darling Nikki isn't a real story, but it's the performance. A lot of it is 'acting' putting on a show, telling a story with music. Prince was abusive in the movie PR, it didn't mean he is abusive nor agrees with it in real life. some say Papa is real life, some don't even if he refers to 'turning out like me' at the end It's story, true or not, its something that happens Erotic City is not lyrically deep in comparison to Head(which is telling a story) Erotic City is kinda personal, and I don't see anything age restricting about the song ...If we cannont make babies, maybe we can make some time... I can see people from 18 - 88 saying that(and they do in all corners and walks of life) the crowds went crazy over some of those samples he play(mixed) at the 02 shows and the reports say they went crazy when he played Erotic City at his home:preview show Everything isn't about cursing and vulgarity 
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Everything isn't about cursing and vulgarity
When I think of His Royal Badness, I think of PR era Prince RAW unrestrained, not about being nasty anyone who has heard/witnessed the 1st Ave show prior to Purple Rain release understand, that he was H R B if rare form, and I don't remember anything vulgar or nasty or use of swear word 17Days Our Destiny Roadhouse Garden All Day All Night Free Noon Rendezvous Erotic City Something In the Water When Doves Cry Possessed I may be missing one or 2 As many shows as I have hear or seen I still don't think any can compare with those 1983/84 shows at 1st Avenue the magic chemistry and energy was just top notch a lot of the shows of the PR era Parade era were not vulgar over shows that only and 20something year old could perform the Birthday 1st Ave 6.7.84 show is something Prince can still do today [Edited 7/23/09 13:39pm] | |
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Let's also not forget songs like Turn Me Loose
anyone who has a problem with a 50 yr old man singing about sex should really have a problem with this song AGEISM Songs I think of when say HIS ROYAL BADNESS GOD my younger brothers favorite, just the intensity of the song PURPLE RAIN THE BEAUTIFUL ONES EROTIC CITY ANOTHER LONELY CHRISTMAS the WHOLE PR era All the Critics Love U in NY 1999 FREE DMSR Controversy Let's Work Do Me Baby Sexuality America Condition of the Heart Hello the whole Parade era w/proteges Lovesexy era [Edited 7/23/09 13:37pm] | |
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jimmyrogertodd said: Well, Prince is still Prince but if you want him to turn into the 20 year old singing songs about incest and oral sex. Ask yourself this would you want your uncle singing those songs in front of children???
I ain't the only one who thinks that Elixer is most deffinately about oral sex. An Elixir is a noun but clearly he uses the word Elixer as a verb and he didn't change the letters by accident. He has cut out the incest songs for sure. But there is only one barely religious song on the 3 Disc set and it's not as clearly about Baptism as Here I Come is about masturbation. Since TRC is is deffinately swimming away from JW approved lyrics he is just not as witty about it as he use to be. | |
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Vendetta1 said: It's not so much that I miss the cursing and sexuality, I miss the freedom, the wild boy. I've accepted that he has grown and moved on, but I do not have to like it.
Right on 
I'm having trouble deciding how to feel about the changes in Prince myself.  I'm firmly planted in denial |
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