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PrintableBigDaddyHQ said: Geez why is it every time something dealing with copyrights and Prince come up... everyone just propagates a lot of mis-information.
There is a difference between using a sample vs. doing a cover. A. If someone samples a song by Prince.. they need permission of whomever owns the master recordings. That is his actual voice and or music used. B. If someone does a straight cover... they DO NOT need permission. All they have to do is pay the appropriate fees so that royalty payments and such can be met. C. If some one does a cover but alters the lyrics or the music significantly... they must get permission from whom ever owns the copyrights to the song... ie Warner or Prince. D. If they cover or sample in a live performance... as long as the venue has payed all of its performance fees... no permission is needed. As long as its not recorded and later distributed in any form... including video Prince can't say anything. This is just the a simple break down and does not include all situations. Prince usually have issues legally with with 'A' and 'D' situations. He may not like 'B'... but can't legally do anything but bitch about it. [Edited 7/21/09 1:25am] Thx for breakin it down for those of us that didn't kno. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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TheKing662 said: SavonOsco said: That song is horrible..but how do u know its without his permission..you might be right..but how do u know?Unless that song comes out as a single where he will make money from it,not even the prince police can stop a mixtape track...well not yet
first if Prince didn't like Genuwine covering "When Doves Cry",what make u think that he would let Bow Wow put "Shhh" hook on a song? That always makes me wonder.....If he didn't like Ginuwine covering it, why did he let him? Prime aka The Kid
"I need u to dance, I need u to strip I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips I need u to grind like Ur working for tips And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE" | |
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BigDaddyHQ said: Geez why is it every time something dealing with copyrights and Prince come up... everyone just propagates a lot of mis-information.
There is a difference between using a sample vs. doing a cover. A. If someone samples a song by Prince.. they need permission of whomever owns the master recordings. That is his actual voice and or music used. B. If someone does a straight cover... they DO NOT need permission. All they have to do is pay the appropriate fees so that royalty payments and such can be met. C. If some one does a cover but alters the lyrics or the music significantly... they must get permission from whom ever owns the copyrights to the song... ie Warner or Prince. D. If they cover or sample in a live performance... as long as the venue has payed all of its performance fees... no permission is needed. As long as its not recorded and later distributed in any form... including video Prince can't say anything. This is just the a simple break down and does not include all situations. Prince usually have issues legally with with 'A' and 'D' situations. He may not like 'B'... but can't legally do anything but bitch about it. [Edited 7/21/09 1:25am] thank U for clearing that up. A lot of people don't reliaze that there's differences between covers and samples and whatnot. I scannede the thread for the answer b4 I posted and U had it. Anyone can cover any bleedin song they want. As long as they pay for it. And if your dumbass is gonna sample...u're basically giving the songwriting credits to the person u're sampling. Cuz they end up getting the songwriting credits and the lion-share of the publishing royalties | |
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SavonOsco said: TheKing662 said: i knew about this site since 2006,when they had a different theme to it.it use to look different yeah the switched it up...so u feel me then..as long as these cats keep making mixtapes...it's going to be hard to stop all of them..but that posting on youtube shit..is just plain asking for it. ----- Mix tapes are illegal if payment has not been made to the copyright holder. Unfortunately, there are so many of them I doubt if anyone can do anything to put a stop to it. It is really no different than buying a knock off designer bag or a bootleg movie on the street corner. Totally illegal to sale that stuff but how can you stop it when so many people are doing it is much easier to go after idiots on YOUTUBE. | |
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mzspongebob said: it is tevin campbell's version not prince's and doesent warner own that or something..wait was tevin with warner bros? well anyway its not prince...so he doesent have nothing to do with it(but i have 2 admit when i first heard it from bow wows twitter i was like oops dont he know)
----- Prince wrote and he owns it. http://www.ascap.com/ace/...imeout=300 6. SHHH (Title Code: 490762897) Writers: PRINCE Performers: CAMPBELL T CAMPBELL TEVIN PRINCE TEVIN CAMPBELL Variations: SHHH NELSON PRINCE Publishers/Administrators: CONTROVERSY MUSIC % UNIVERSAL MUSIC CORPORATION 2440 SEPULVEDA BLVD. SUITE 100 LOS ANGELES , CA, 90064 Tel. (310) 235-4700 | |
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weird because some of the songs just say Universal and others say Universal and Warner Bros.
Diamonds and Pearls only say Universal, but Billy jack bitch says both. Interesting. Prime aka The Kid
"I need u to dance, I need u to strip I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips I need u to grind like Ur working for tips And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE" | |
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BigDaddyHQ said: Geez why is it every time something dealing with copyrights and Prince come up... everyone just propagates a lot of mis-information.
There is a difference between using a sample vs. doing a cover. A. If someone samples a song by Prince.. they need permission of whomever owns the master recordings. That is his actual voice and or music used. B. If someone does a straight cover... they DO NOT need permission. All they have to do is pay the appropriate fees so that royalty payments and such can be met. C. If some one does a cover but alters the lyrics or the music significantly... they must get permission from whom ever owns the copyrights to the song... ie Warner or Prince. D. If they cover or sample in a live performance... as long as the venue has payed all of its performance fees... no permission is needed. As long as its not recorded and later distributed in any form... including video Prince can't say anything. This is just the a simple break down and does not include all situations. Prince usually have issues legally with with 'A' and 'D' situations. He may not like 'B'... but can't legally do anything but bitch about it. [Edited 7/21/09 1:25am] All true. But 99% of people covering songs on youtube haven't paid any royalty fees. They're just listening to songs they like and playing them. Technically illegal. I think Prince could take down those videos. | |
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What is interesting is he only has about 600 listed. I just assumed he had publisher more than 600
prime said: weird because some of the songs just say Universal and others say Universal and Warner Bros.
Diamonds and Pearls only say Universal, but Billy jack bitch says both. Interesting. | |
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Is it just me or does that Bow Wow vid look a bit gay? As for the Twista track, is he suggesting that his sexual intercourse will make the woman sound like Prince, is that not also kind of... gay?
I therefore surmise that far from being homophobic, most 'rap artists' are in fact very open to the gay experience. A little off topic, I know.... | |
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unkleg said: Is it just me or does that Bow Wow vid look a bit gay? As for the Twista track, is he suggesting that his sexual intercourse will make the woman sound like Prince, is that not also kind of... gay?
I therefore surmise that far from being homophobic, most 'rap artists' are in fact very open to the gay experience. A little off topic, I know.... is that reaching a little?..but twista got that porn star Pinky pregnant(so I heard),I have a feeling he's not gay.I think that Princes(and Tevins) voice sound like a girl sped up,so maybe that's why [Edited 7/22/09 22:07pm] | |
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Shhhhh! | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: minneapolisFunq said: if this song isnt on an official release and he isnt making money there is no need to clear the sample
i thought most people knew this? Oh please, Prince had a hissy fit over a homemade Youtube video of a baby dancing to a snippet of Little Red Corvette playing on the radio, that obviously was not making any money! The song was Let's go Crazy. And you need to just letitgo. Prince did an interview with a woman at Record World. They talked about whatever, then he asked her: "Does your pubic hair go up to your navel?" At that moment, we thought maybe we shouldn't encourage him to do interviews. | |
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I liked Bow wow when he was little, but now that he's all elderly, he has nothing going for himself. He ain't unique. He isn't really bringing much to the table. | |
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i like this song from twister - its kinda cool! | |
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coolcat said: BigDaddyHQ said: Geez why is it every time something dealing with copyrights and Prince come up... everyone just propagates a lot of mis-information.
There is a difference between using a sample vs. doing a cover. A. If someone samples a song by Prince.. they need permission of whomever owns the master recordings. That is his actual voice and or music used. B. If someone does a straight cover... they DO NOT need permission. All they have to do is pay the appropriate fees so that royalty payments and such can be met. C. If some one does a cover but alters the lyrics or the music significantly... they must get permission from whom ever owns the copyrights to the song... ie Warner or Prince. D. If they cover or sample in a live performance... as long as the venue has payed all of its performance fees... no permission is needed. As long as its not recorded and later distributed in any form... including video Prince can't say anything. This is just the a simple break down and does not include all situations. Prince usually have issues legally with with 'A' and 'D' situations. He may not like 'B'... but can't legally do anything but bitch about it. [Edited 7/21/09 1:25am] All true. But 99% of people covering songs on youtube haven't paid any royalty fees. They're just listening to songs they like and playing them. Technically illegal. I think Prince could take down those videos. Yeah.. it sucks but it's his 'right' to do so... even though I will never think he's right for exercising rights in that way. It only hurts the fans. | |
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coolcat said: All true. But 99% of people covering songs on youtube haven't paid any royalty fees. They're just listening to songs they like and playing them. Technically illegal. I think Prince could take down those videos.
Not illegal, just technically a breach of copyright. The word "illegal" is used way too much around Prince's work. | |
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ToraToraDreams said: I liked Bow wow when he was little, but now that he's all elderly, he has nothing going for himself. He ain't unique. He isn't really bringing much to the table.
He tweeted that he feels like he has no more to offer... he's already done so much in his short life already... and he's bored. I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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Bow wow needs to SHHH himself! He royaly sucks! | |
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prime said: TheKing662 said: first if Prince didn't like Genuwine covering "When Doves Cry",what make u think that he would let Bow Wow put "Shhh" hook on a song? That always makes me wonder.....If he didn't like Ginuwine covering it, why did he let him? Read the breakdown. Cover songs that don't significantly alter the lyrics or music don't require permission. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: prime said: That always makes me wonder.....If he didn't like Ginuwine covering it, why did he let him? Read the breakdown. Cover songs that don't significantly alter the lyrics or music don't require permission. That or maybe Prince doesnt own When Doves Cry or Shhh. Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U. | |
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