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Thread started 07/13/09 7:05pm

Swa

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A CELEBRATION: NEWS

Continuing on the one album a day discussion of Prince's music we arrive at NEWS. For other albums being discussed thus far visit http://prince.org/msg/7/312438

N.E.W.S.

I had seen the online teaser campaign that announced N.E.W.S. containing four new tracks each 14 minutes long. Straight away I placed my order, and when it arrived at work I placed it into my ibook and listened to it while I worked.

With the opening watery tinged bass of NORTH I submerged myself in the sound. With its hypnotic repetitive melody it just washes into your soul like fresh waves crashing on the shore. The song builds like a gentle storm brewing away in the distance and threatening to break. With the sax and intermittent guitar solo the track builds and builds to the brink of a crescendo before easing off, to be replaced by the tinkering keys of the piano. North always reminded me of storms in the night, that comfort of being safe and sound in your room while it approaches. Just waiting for it to break.

EAST with its synth-laden intro echoes the feel of the title. With a dash of mystic melody we are thrown into the path of the shuffling rolling beat of Mr Blackwell. This is his track. Allowing his skills as a drummer to work the kit to be more than just a backing instrument and allow it to become more melodic – check out the work over the hi hat gets. Similarly to North, at the 8 minute mark East changes direction. At this point it really gathers a full head of steam and moves more solidly into a jazz fusion track. And once again the skins of Mr Blackwell are at the fore, well at least right along side the purple strings of P. The last section of east seems to slowly untangle like the melody is being pulled apart thread by thread, unravelling itself to make way for the new.

The opening strains to WEST remind me a bit of dolphin of the gold experience. This is perhaps the most cohesive song oriented piece on here – and by that I mean it feels like a song ready made for vocals rather than an exploration of music. The first 3 minutes sooth and seduce you like a classic P ballad before stepping it up and blending in some more jazz fusion. For some reason the main section of this song reminds me of something of Herbie Hancock’s Head Hunters album. Just that mix of a simple melody line played to within an inch of its life that captivates before it even comes close to be tired or overplayed. The piano solo deserves special mention here for its free form playing. The final phrasing of the song just lets it tease you with moments of ebb and flow and it goes from a full boil to a smooth simmer.

For me SOUTH is the jewel in the crown. With its funk lead main groove it travels to the highs of bliss before dipping into the shallows of pure melody. I especially love the moog synth solo with a bass line that bubbles and tweaks before taking the track into a moment of epic rock, then before it gets too carried away slides back into the main groove only to climb again. At the 5 minute mark the power makes way for the silence as the song slows and wanders in a field of experimentation before finding its way to the safe haven of a jazz song the rides the final waves of highs and lows before washing away on that classic of all classic end notes.

I wasn’t 100% sold on N.E.W.S. when I first got it. Each song had moments of brilliance but didn’t seem to be able to sustain the 14 minutes dedicated to each direction. As a result it found its place amongst my collection rarely to be brought back out to play. However listening to it now, I can find new highlights in each song that I had missed before.

Its funny that if people discuss Prince’s work as an artist this is an album that doesn’t immediately spring to mind, but here is the true study of an artist. As we all know a Prince instrumental fusion album was never going to be a big seller, but rather than clamour for a smash, he followed where the music lead him. And the true beauty is that here is a free artist, afterall Warners or any other major label would have been totally reluctant to release it. But being a true independent Prince had the freedom (and maybe even the luxury) to present this new direction to us all. And whether or not it is an album that is played often or rarely, we are richer for the chance to hear it.

So what was your take on NEWS? Did it surprise, delight or disappoint?

Swa
[Edited 7/17/09 0:40am]
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Reply #1 posted 07/13/09 7:34pm

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I love NEWS. I'm a big fan of Prince's instrumental stuff. I love Xpectation. I love Madhouse. I even enjoy Kamasutra, though Scissors makes me nervous.lol
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Reply #2 posted 07/13/09 7:35pm

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I'm not much of a fan of Prince's instrumental albums. Not necessarily because they are instrumental more because I don't think they are very good. Now, a (mostly) instrumental song like the unreleased "U Gotta Shake Something" from 1985 I absolutely love so Prince can make instrumental music that I enjoy. Unfortunately I find that most of his instrumental albums have a "fake" jazz sound to them that I can't get into. I forget exactly what Eric Leeds once said about Prince and jazz but I think it was something along the lines of Prince only having a surface knowledge and appreciation of jazz and therefore the music is not as good as it could be. For me an album like Xpectation is much better than N.E.W.S. because it sounds like a bunch of actual songs with depth and structure rather than made up on the spot improvisations. It seems like the songs on the Xpectation album are much more fully developed and distinctive. To my ears N.E.W.S. largely sounds like aimless drifting, almost like Prince, Eric, John, Rhonda and Renato recorded several hours of spontaneous music and cobbled the best bits together as an album. If you took top level jazz players and attempted something like that the results might be worthwhile but I don't think that Prince is that level of jazz player. I do like to see him stretch and try different things but I did not particularly enjoy the results this time. That does not mean that I think N.E.W.S. was a mistake, quite the contrary. As I said in a previous thread, I think from 2004-2009 he has been playing it a little too safe and, despite the fact that I really enjoy a lot of his recent music, I would love to see him try something outside of his comfort zone.
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Reply #3 posted 07/13/09 8:26pm

ernestsewell

Total waste of a CD.
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Reply #4 posted 07/13/09 8:30pm

Genesia

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johnart said:

I love NEWS. I'm a big fan of Prince's instrumental stuff. I love Xpectation. I love Madhouse. I even enjoy Kamasutra, though Scissors makes me nervous.lol


It's called Cutz, dingdong. lol

But you're right. That track is a bad haircut. disbelief

Love, love, love NEWS, though. One of my favorite writing and chilling albums. cool
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Reply #5 posted 07/13/09 8:31pm

jonylawson

ernestsewell said:[quote]Total waste of a CD

DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon
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Reply #6 posted 07/13/09 8:32pm

ernestsewell

jonylawson said:

ernestsewell said:

Total waste of a CD


DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon


It's an insult to any Prince fan. Total shit.
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Reply #7 posted 07/13/09 8:35pm

jonylawson

ernestsewell said:

jonylawson said:



DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon


It's an insult to any Prince fan. Total shit.


well....it didnt offend me

what a strange post

newbies should be banned from talking shhhh to those in the musical know

lock this fool
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Reply #8 posted 07/13/09 8:38pm

jdcxc

ernestsewell said:

jonylawson said:



DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon


It's an insult to any Prince fan. Total shit.


Why?
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Reply #9 posted 07/13/09 8:42pm

ernestsewell

jonylawson said:

well....it didnt offend me

newbies should be banned from talking shhhh to those in the musical know


I'm not newbie, son, and neither is the original poster, most likely. Swa has went through every single Prince CD thus far, and will continue I suspect.

N.E.W.S. is a large, steaming pile of ox droppings. You don't have to agree with it, but don't you shit on someone else's twocents the way N.E.W.S. shits on all things good about music.
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Reply #10 posted 07/13/09 9:07pm

johnart

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Genesia said:

johnart said:

I love NEWS. I'm a big fan of Prince's instrumental stuff. I love Xpectation. I love Madhouse. I even enjoy Kamasutra, though Scissors makes me nervous.lol


It's called Cutz, dingdong. lol

But you're right. That track is a bad haircut. disbelief

Love, love, love NEWS, though. One of my favorite writing and chilling albums. cool


LMAO! doh! It is Cutz and we've talked about this before. I just had those nightmare scissor sounds in my head when I posted. lol
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Reply #11 posted 07/13/09 9:12pm

Swa

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Genesia said:

johnart said:

I love NEWS. I'm a big fan of Prince's instrumental stuff. I love Xpectation. I love Madhouse. I even enjoy Kamasutra, though Scissors makes me nervous.lol


It's called Cutz, dingdong. lol

But you're right. That track is a bad haircut. disbelief

Love, love, love NEWS, though. One of my favorite writing and chilling albums. cool


Nice to see you back in the celebrations, and nice to see someone else who likes NEWS.
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Reply #12 posted 07/14/09 3:23am

jcurley

Listened to this the other day for the first time since it was released. I didnt like it much at the time but I really got into it this week.I think it deserves more credit than it gets
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Reply #13 posted 07/14/09 3:35am

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ernestsewell said:

N.E.W.S. is a large, steaming pile of ox droppings. You don't have to agree with it, but don't you shit on someone else's twocents the way N.E.W.S. shits on all things good about music.
This is fair enough but you previously said it's an insult to any Prince fan, which is more than what you think, you're speaking for all of us with comments like that!

Anyway, I've never really liked NEWS too much and have probably only listened to it 3 or 4 times. However...

Genesia said:

Love, love, love NEWS, though. One of my favorite writing and chilling albums.


Surprised I never thought of that before. I write software for a living and usually listen to music but sometimes rock or funk is a little too intense. I've found that the Bria Valente album is quite good as background to work to. With this in mind I should give NEWS another chance.
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Reply #14 posted 07/14/09 3:54am

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ernestsewell said:

jonylawson said:



DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon


It's an insult to any Prince fan. Total shit.

yeahthat
So what are u going 2 do? R u just gonna sit there and watch? I'm not gonna stop until the war is over. Its gonna take a long time
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Reply #15 posted 07/14/09 4:33am

Genesia

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TheEnglishGent said:


Genesia said:

Love, love, love NEWS, though. One of my favorite writing and chilling albums.


Surprised I never thought of that before. I write software for a living and usually listen to music but sometimes rock or funk is a little too intense. I've found that the Bria Valente album is quite good as background to work to. With this in mind I should give NEWS another chance.


nod

When I'm writing (which is what I do for a living), I often find that listening to music with lyrics makes it more difficult. Instrumentals just roll on, keeping one side of my brain occupied while the other writes.

NEWS is also great when I'm coming home from an evening rehearsal. It helps me wind down so I can get to sleep sooner when I get home.

Anyway...EAST is my favorite track. Swa mentioned the change at the 8-minute mark. That's always been my favorite part of the entire album. For some reason, it reminds me of the Edgar Winter and Deep Purple I listened to when I was in my teens. cool
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Reply #16 posted 07/14/09 4:51am

jiorjios

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NEWS is a great album. Totally fantastic. I just wish I could get a copy of the other Prince instrumental albums:(
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Reply #17 posted 07/14/09 5:13am

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ernestsewell said:

jonylawson said:



DICK

this cd is brillaint-out of any CD i wanted this one to win the grammy

this will be looked at in years time very very favourably in his canon


It's an insult to any Prince fan. Total shit.


well as a poster I think u are total shit and an insult to prince fans.
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Reply #18 posted 07/14/09 7:27am

ernestsewell

tricky99 said:

well as a poster I think u are total shit and an insult to prince fans.


Here's the deal on that though: I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK OF ME. NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.

Besides, if you're that big of a Princefagg that you get all butt hurt over someone disliking a CD you like, you probably should stay out of these types of forums all together, cuz you're in for a world of anal pain.
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Reply #19 posted 07/14/09 7:37am

Thibaut

I wish Prince would record more stuff like N.E.W.S., I was kind of afraid to buy it but I sure didn't regret it. I really love listening to it.
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Reply #20 posted 07/14/09 7:46am

MrMul

I really like NEWS, but I didnt expect to. I didnt think 4 lenghty instrumental 'jazz' tracks would hold my attention, but its a nice album. A totally different listen than most of his other work. I still listen to it quite often - its good for relaxing
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Reply #21 posted 07/16/09 7:08pm

Swa

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jcurley said:

Listened to this the other day for the first time since it was released. I didnt like it much at the time but I really got into it this week.I think it deserves more credit than it gets


Have to love it when you rediscover something you missed first time round.

Swa
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Reply #22 posted 07/17/09 12:21am

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I love NEWS..
Prince went so out of the box with this some can't handle it. lol


My favorite is "West" love it!
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Reply #23 posted 07/23/09 4:44am

MartyMcFly

ernestsewell said:

N.E.W.S. is a large, steaming pile of ox droppings. You don't have to agree with it, but don't you shit on someone else's twocents the way N.E.W.S. shits on all things good about music.


That's a bit harsh, isn't it Ernie?
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Reply #24 posted 07/23/09 5:04am

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ernestsewell said:

jonylawson said:

well....it didnt offend me

newbies should be banned from talking shhhh to those in the musical know


I'm not newbie, son, and neither is the original poster, most likely. Swa has went through every single Prince CD thus far, and will continue I suspect.

N.E.W.S. is a large, steaming pile of ox droppings. You don't have to agree with it, but don't you shit on someone else's twocents the way N.E.W.S. shits on all things good about music.


stop posting your (stupid) opinion as fact pooptoast

furthermore ; i saw you slagging off Rainbow Children numerous times to my disgust, calling it crap and what not mad

now you may not like it's lyrical content
but let me just say if you can't appreciate the musicianship/song writing displayed on there (Last December f.e) you know fuck all about music
get your fucking head and ears checked

your posts are an insult to sanity
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Reply #25 posted 07/23/09 6:05am

thedance

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NO News is good news. biggrin

Terrible music. neutral
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Reply #26 posted 07/23/09 6:08am

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^ not great , but surely not terrible confused

West is great

overall on a scale of 1/10 i'd rate it 6.5
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Reply #27 posted 07/23/09 6:17am

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I'm not much of a fan of Prince's instrumental albums. Not necessarily because they are instrumental more because I don't think they are very good. Now, a (mostly) instrumental song like the unreleased "U Gotta Shake Something" from 1985 I absolutely love so Prince can make instrumental music that I enjoy. Unfortunately I find that most of his instrumental albums have a "fake" jazz sound to them that I can't get into. I forget exactly what Eric Leeds once said about Prince and jazz but I think it was something along the lines of Prince only having a surface knowledge and appreciation of jazz and therefore the music is not as good as it could be. For me an album like Xpectation is much better than N.E.W.S. because it sounds like a bunch of actual songs with depth and structure rather than made up on the spot improvisations. It seems like the songs on the Xpectation album are much more fully developed and distinctive. To my ears N.E.W.S. largely sounds like aimless drifting, almost like Prince, Eric, John, Rhonda and Renato recorded several hours of spontaneous music and cobbled the best bits together as an album. If you took top level jazz players and attempted something like that the results might be worthwhile but I don't think that Prince is that level of jazz player. I do like to see him stretch and try different things but I did not particularly enjoy the results this time. That does not mean that I think N.E.W.S. was a mistake, quite the contrary. As I said in a previous thread, I think from 2004-2009 he has been playing it a little too safe and, despite the fact that I really enjoy a lot of his recent music, I would love to see him try something outside of his comfort zone.



Yep.
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Reply #28 posted 07/23/09 9:58pm

peter430044

ernestsewell said:

Total waste of a CD.


Yes, disoriented filler.
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Reply #29 posted 07/23/09 10:00pm

peter430044

It's a good sleeping pill though.
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