I agree with some of you that Lotusflow3r was 3x a disapointment but one true failed piece of work could never make me give up on ANY artist.
As I've said before on another thread, Valentina,the song, would have been a great gift for her parents but wasn't good enough for a CD. however some people say it's their favorite song on the album.
I have yet to come across anyone on these threads that says it is their FAVORITE CD of all times.
One of the reasons I liked TRC was that it wasn't all over the place and it was well thought out. Prince got across his beliefs and ideals that he felt strongly about. He also used different styles of music on that album and still made it cohesive. He really felt that album, it was honest and where he was at at the time.
Lotusflow3r lack the spirit of his past albums. It also lacks the humor and wit of his past trips into funk.

Cinnamon234 said:

You need to get out of my head LOL!!!!

amorbella said:

Preach!!!!

doll is right on the money!

I logged onto my prince.org account for the first time in years for this very reason. It was the song "Colonized Mind". Finally I caught the lyrics and had to shake my head. I got through Rainbow Children and enjoyed it, despite the embarrassing lyrics. But Lotusflower and especially "Colonized Mind" are disturbing.

"the evolution principal, U c a rock on the shore and say 'it's always been there'" ... "the master race idea"

What a complete moron. I can't overlook that garbage anymore. I certainly don't want anyone I know to hear that laughable ignorance coming out of my speakers.

What does "a rock on the shore... always been there" have to do with evolution? That's a laughable statement even to other fundamentalist Christians. Everyone on all sides of the evolution "debate" must be scratching their heads at this one. Prince, this time you don't make sense to anyone!

To blame genocide on evolution, and to suggest that scientists are somehow "the one in power [who] makes law" is false propaganda. How many scientists have become presidents and prime ministers? I can't name a single scientist politician. Religions have the most powerful lobby groups, not scientists.

Prince has outdone himself in the stupidity department with Lotusflower, and I am now embarrassed to admit that I am (was?) a huge Prince fan.

geminito said:

Are you moving on because of one song? After this post will you continue to post on other threads? (probably)
Embarrased or not....you are still here.
Don't be so hard on yourself, enjoy the ride
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Cinnamon234 said:

Because it's called a "forum" where people post what they are thinking. No gold star necessary. Oh yeah, freedom of speech has a part in it, too. Please.

I am amiss to understand why people who choose not to be a fan areposting here. It is your right not to be a fan and not to like the music or the man for that matter; then log onto another site and enjoy yourself. I get rather tired of seeing the same old BS postings

I don't understand a thing prince sings about anymore

good the more former fans...means there will be more tickets for the rest of us ....

geminito said:

screen name: geminito

utopia7 said:

That is not what we are saying at all, at least I'm not. It really boils down to still enjoying Prince's music but digging the current output. I really don't understand why we can't say this without there being a "jump ship" mentality from people who are still digging the new stuff.

I can hear Erotic City or Joy In Repetition or Mountains and still get that leap in my heart. I can still go out to Prince Night with my friends and still love hearing the older music and still loving to see the videos. He will always be my favorite artist even if I don't feel him like I used to.

There used to be a time where Prince would do things that were irritating to me and I really didn't give a damn because the music was mind blowing. Now that he continues to do things and the music is uninspiring, there is nothing distracting me from those things. No content on the site, no t-shirt, etc.

For those asking we go away, I will respectfully decline. I will remain a member of this site for as long as I please so that I can discuss the Prince music I do love. I do no harm to anyone remaining here. Those that chose to label us would do well to just ignore us.

Vendetta1 said:

If this is IVY ... then you should have said this to PRINCE in LAS VEGAS when he spoke to you. I personally don't care who likes what or not ( him or music) it's simple enjoy what's left or move on life is too short. And while the man chooses the actions he takes there's plenty of artists to listen to in the interim.

utopia7 said:

Yes, this is indeed Ivy.

I did not say that to Prince then because I did not feel the way I do now, then. Plus a bunch of us were trying to talk to him at the same time. I have no problem expressing these thoughts, the way I feel now, to him if I had the chance.

And I do listen to a multitude of other artists and am always looking for music that excites me.

For the most part, I stay out of this forum for this very reason. I try to leave the conversation to those digging his newest stuff. I didn't post reviews of PE or the latest stuff because I am becoming a believer of not saying anything when I don't have something nice to say (about P's music).

But every now and then, I feel someone understands how I feel and where I am coming from, and when they can articulate this in a respectful manner, I feel like chiming in.

Vendetta1 said:

Planet Earth does not exist not a fav but there are some good ones on there,so with that I wait for something else to come out better and it did. NO
it won't be the same as it was years ago. but there are a vast things in our collections to groove to. I feel bad many feel the way they do ....just lucky my experiences have been great.

utopia7 said:

And I don't begrudge you your experiences. I have had some great ones as well.

I will not criticize anyone that loves the stuff Prince is doing now. I wish I felt the same. I will not say people are crazy or any other insult because they don't agree with me, so I do not understand the anger lobbed at us that don't feel the same of some of you.

I don't know Ms. Utopia.....maybe I am holding on by the skin of my teeth and maybe someday I will completely let Prince go. You can be sure I won't be one of these people who exists here to do nothing but criticize the man.

Gotta say...

I've felt alienated since the Warner's split (was I a fan of WB or Prince?!?!)...

Regardless...

Since '88 and the WB split I was disappointed by the quality of work (you have to wonder if WB saw it comin'). Starting around Musicology I started to feel some hope... lyrics were less preachy, angry, ignorance of an insulated mind, ...there were echoes of what I liked...

But lately, with the bad bizness moves... I'm more like whatevs...

Lotus & MPLS (for me) is the most enjoyable Prince album since the 90's. The synth in Chocolate Box was a weird thrill.

But all that crap Prince used to fire up his fans ("free the music!!!") during the WB split was just that... crap.

This guy can't even make good on a promise to get T-shirt's out in a reasonable amount of time!!! Instead, he's busy giving Dr. FB bank statements as press releases. After penning tunes like "Money Don't Matter 2Nite"...

Hypocrite...

Unlike the cover art for 3121, Prince will be 'back' when he:

1. Is confident enough to share the mic with interesting backing vocalists (i.e. complementary but distinct)
2. Writes lyrics that aren't so lamenting (i.e. whatever happened to "it's gonna be a beautiful night" or "life can be so nice"?)
3. Can be bothered to come up with a real melody instead of re-hashed 90's trash ghetto bump w/'weee-yooo' synth accents.
4. Gets back to turning familiar sounds on their ear.

Wendy and Lisa really (quietly) pointed it out best in a recent interview. When he dumped them, he was on a mission to emphasize he's hetero. Coincidentally, he stopped being an amalgamation of sounds. Tthat's when his music became much more insulated.
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I used to be extremely into him. Now not so much. I still listen to his older music though

I was a 100 % complete obsessed Prince fan, until Emancipation was released in November 1996, then I started to doubt....

I still like his new music from 1996 to 2009, but not like I used to.

Warner Bros years > Brilliant music,

since 1996 > okay and good music, BUT..... there are also a lot of weak songs I don't like.

I guess I'm a 80 % fan these days.

Close2u said:

no , it doesn't. Just because Microsoft releases a shitty O/S like Vista and you don't buy or express discontent with it, doesn't mean you're not into computers, and it certainly doesn't mean you're not into Microsoft's other offerings.

That's a silly assessment, and a dull way to look at things.

As far as former fans, there are orgers I know who used to like Prince but find him rather dull and uninspired now...in short, they've even admitted to not being fans anymore. They come to the org strictly because of the community and the general discussion forum. I know orgers who haven't bought anything from Prince in years.


But I think I'm still a fan. I love his 80's output, am quite fond of much of his early Symbol output (including Emancipation), and thought lotusflow3r was a great effort.

But there is so much uninspired drivel scattered throughout his releases in the last 10 years that it's really hard for me to be enthusiastic about his material.

He toured in my city several times, but the last two times he toured I didn't bother going to see him--just not really into seeing truncated jazzy rundowns of his hits at that time. Sadly, I would have still wanted to see one of his afterparties, but I didn't even know if he was doing those anymore, and I certainly wasn't going to sit through hours and hours of Maceo parker blowing his horn in songs that never had a horn prior.


But just because somebody doesn't like the whole of his work, and freely expresses dissatisfaction about it, doesn't make them any more or less of a fan than someone who likes everything including the boring stuff and invents their own litmus test of fandom to satisfy their egos.

InsatiableCream said:

Same here.To be honest,I mainly just listen to his 80s albums.I guess you could call me an "Old School Prince fan",lol.

Imago said:

WELL SAID!

utopia7 said:

I wish that were true but you know that we will be standing next to these former fans at these shows and that's going to suck big time. Part of the fun in a Prince show is being around people who love or at least know the words to the majority of the songs that he does. From personal experience, I HATE being around folks that only dig certain periods of Prince's catalog cause when it's time for a new song to come out, they stand there looking like they belong in a morgue not a concert cause they don't know the damn song. I still have a great time but you can see the atmosphere change when that happens and it's terrible. I hope these former fans aren't around me the next time I'm at a Prince show. I'll be going buck wild for all the songs while they look lost in the sauce.

I'm still a fan because Prince is one of the only ones out there still making funk but I'm not near as big a fan as I used to be. And if he makes much more stuff like "MPLSound" with the shit hop slang and shit hop style of singing with no real drums behind the drum machines to give the song power, I'll be a full fledged former fan because I don't tolerate shit hop from nobody and that includes Prince also.
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When he releases a new album, I usually listen to it a lot the first few weeks (except for this last time) and then I usually go back to his 1978-1984 stuff if I decide to play him. I'm not obsessed with him and I like to hear his songs in between other artists' songs also. One of the reasons I don't listen to his newer albums more often is because, for years, no one else out there has anything good to sandwich his music inbetween and it sounds kinda awkward to be listening to nothing but 1970s and 1980s music by other artists and all of a sudden, one little new song comes on.

amorbella said:

thanks for making my point regarding the "Prince can do-no-wrong, everything he does is gravy" fans.

I am participating into this forum but I am still fond of his work and am interested into what he plays..I am not a former fan..

ganesh said:

Same here. I'm glad we still have some real fans left in here. I'm scared we are becoming a rare breed up in here.

purplecam said:

It doesn't make me any less a "real" fan if I'm not digging the output right now. I am always hopeful.