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Reply #120 posted 07/08/09 10:51am

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Reply #121 posted 07/08/09 11:08am

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ronnwinter said:

Well, I said Id never post here again due to partiality in moderating... but this topic has really sparked some great comments!
Let me first say that this topic has a very wide field of possible answers. It needs to be narrowed down. Best what of all time? Best musician? Best singer? Writer? Peformer? It seems that most people are taking this to the all time favorite argument.. Who the best.. MJ or Prince?
These 2 were/are the best of all time in different areas. Performers...I see it as a tie, Though, if I absolutely HAD to pick one, I have to give it to MJ. Singers? Michael Jackson. Musicians? Prince hands down! Writer? Prince. Humanitarian? Michael Jackson. Innovator? Both. And the list goes on and on...
Prince will always be my favorite.. But theres things he couldnt touch MJ on, and same goes the other way around.
The one thing that kept Prince from being on the same level with MJ, is his attitude and failure to show affection publicly. What I mean is, he dropped the ball several times to show the world he has a big heart. MJ showed the world more times than we can count. Yes, Prince has done charity work but its over shadowed by his other more unlikeable ways. His failure to participate in We are the World, but MJ was there. Sure he gave a song to the album, but everyone knows he did it just so he would have a "solo" effort on the album and wouldnt have to share the spotlight with"you know who". He failed to show up at James Browns Funeral, but MJ was there. And whether anyone agrees or not, he should have been at MJs memorial. I would almost bet MJ would have been there for Prince's. Its just poor decisions like that, that will forever seperate him from the status MJ reached in his career.
So... yes he is the best of all time at some things but not at everything.

Prince didn't go to his parent's funeral. If he didn't go to his parent's funeral, he isn't going to anyone elses. Some people just don't do funerals. Also, I don't think anyone who watched MJ or James Brown's memorial were sitting in front of their tvs searching to see whether Prince was in attendance. They were to busy honoring and grieving for the perion being memorialized. I'm glad that Prince didn't participate in We Are The World. I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.
Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth".
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Reply #122 posted 07/08/09 11:16am

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candy2277 said:

ronnwinter said:

Well, I said Id never post here again due to partiality in moderating... but this topic has really sparked some great comments!
Let me first say that this topic has a very wide field of possible answers. It needs to be narrowed down. Best what of all time? Best musician? Best singer? Writer? Peformer? It seems that most people are taking this to the all time favorite argument.. Who the best.. MJ or Prince?
These 2 were/are the best of all time in different areas. Performers...I see it as a tie, Though, if I absolutely HAD to pick one, I have to give it to MJ. Singers? Michael Jackson. Musicians? Prince hands down! Writer? Prince. Humanitarian? Michael Jackson. Innovator? Both. And the list goes on and on...
Prince will always be my favorite.. But theres things he couldnt touch MJ on, and same goes the other way around.
The one thing that kept Prince from being on the same level with MJ, is his attitude and failure to show affection publicly. What I mean is, he dropped the ball several times to show the world he has a big heart. MJ showed the world more times than we can count. Yes, Prince has done charity work but its over shadowed by his other more unlikeable ways. His failure to participate in We are the World, but MJ was there. Sure he gave a song to the album, but everyone knows he did it just so he would have a "solo" effort on the album and wouldnt have to share the spotlight with"you know who". He failed to show up at James Browns Funeral, but MJ was there. And whether anyone agrees or not, he should have been at MJs memorial. I would almost bet MJ would have been there for Prince's. Its just poor decisions like that, that will forever seperate him from the status MJ reached in his career.
So... yes he is the best of all time at some things but not at everything.

Prince didn't go to his parent's funeral. If he didn't go to his parent's funeral, he isn't going to anyone elses. Some people just don't do funerals. Also, I don't think anyone who watched MJ or James Brown's memorial were sitting in front of their tvs searching to see whether Prince was in attendance. They were to busy honoring and grieving for the perion being memorialized. I'm glad that Prince didn't participate in We Are The World. I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.



nod and they had the nerve to turn John Denver away and he was a major philanthropist at the time.
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Reply #123 posted 07/08/09 11:17am

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candy2277 said:

I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.

Corny is an understatement. I'll glad that Prince contributed a song instead. The sentiment of the project was legit.
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Reply #124 posted 07/08/09 11:28am

ronnwinter

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ronnwinter said:

Well, I said Id never post here again due to partiality in moderating... but this topic has really sparked some great comments!
Let me first say that this topic has a very wide field of possible answers. It needs to be narrowed down. Best what of all time? Best musician? Best singer? Writer? Peformer? It seems that most people are taking this to the all time favorite argument.. Who the best.. MJ or Prince?
These 2 were/are the best of all time in different areas. Performers...I see it as a tie, Though, if I absolutely HAD to pick one, I have to give it to MJ. Singers? Michael Jackson. Musicians? Prince hands down! Writer? Prince. Humanitarian? Michael Jackson. Innovator? Both. And the list goes on and on...
Prince will always be my favorite.. But theres things he couldnt touch MJ on, and same goes the other way around.
The one thing that kept Prince from being on the same level with MJ, is his attitude and failure to show affection publicly. What I mean is, he dropped the ball several times to show the world he has a big heart. MJ showed the world more times than we can count. Yes, Prince has done charity work but its over shadowed by his other more unlikeable ways. His failure to participate in We are the World, but MJ was there. Sure he gave a song to the album, but everyone knows he did it just so he would have a "solo" effort on the album and wouldnt have to share the spotlight with"you know who". He failed to show up at James Browns Funeral, but MJ was there. And whether anyone agrees or not, he should have been at MJs memorial. I would almost bet MJ would have been there for Prince's. Its just poor decisions like that, that will forever seperate him from the status MJ reached in his career.
So... yes he is the best of all time at some things but not at everything.

Prince didn't go to his parent's funeral. If he didn't go to his parent's funeral, he isn't going to anyone elses. Some people just don't do funerals. Also, I don't think anyone who watched MJ or James Brown's memorial were sitting in front of their tvs searching to see whether Prince was in attendance. They were to busy honoring and grieving for the perion being memorialized. I'm glad that Prince didn't participate in We Are The World. I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.

Well... you pretty much help support my reasoning. But Its not about what a few people think, like you and I, its about what the overwhelming majority think. He got ALOT of bad press for bailing on the We are the World project. NOt showing up at the memorial service didnt help people's view of him at all! And these werent really "funerals", they were memorials. No burials... just recognizing his legacy. Prince was influenced TREMENDOUSLY by James Brown. Musically, Im very influenced by Prince and would find it an honor to attend his memorial.
To see a more "human, heart felt" side of Prince would be a feather in his cap.
After all...all these points that have been made in the comparisons.. what is the one truely big difference between them(besides playing instruments)... Exactly...and thats my point. Thats the one main thing that has seperated the 2.
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Reply #125 posted 07/08/09 11:48am

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ronnwinter said:

candy2277 said:


Prince didn't go to his parent's funeral. If he didn't go to his parent's funeral, he isn't going to anyone elses. Some people just don't do funerals. Also, I don't think anyone who watched MJ or James Brown's memorial were sitting in front of their tvs searching to see whether Prince was in attendance. They were to busy honoring and grieving for the perion being memorialized. I'm glad that Prince didn't participate in We Are The World. I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.

Well... you pretty much help support my reasoning. But Its not about what a few people think, like you and I, its about what the overwhelming majority think.

Well the majority seem to love Britney Spears, does that mean that they have good taste in music? Please. And to keep it real with you, MJ was accused of child molestation twice, plus doing all the things he did to his face. Not very positive things, and yes, he was acquitted of the child molestation charges but from the last couple of weeks, the world has been focused on Michael's music mainly not all of his problems. That's what I think the world will focus on with Prince, cause that's how he became big, not how much he gave to a charity. Besides, he's given to charities in the past and but that doesn't make him look any better to fans so what's the difference? It's all about the music. That's what his legacy will be, good, bad, whatever, just like Mike.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #126 posted 07/08/09 11:51am

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of course goes without saying no one has equalled him for shear talent - song writing, musician, showman sorry but Mj was not a patch on P for my money - he everytime
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Reply #127 posted 07/08/09 11:52am

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ronnwinter said:

candy2277 said:


Prince didn't go to his parent's funeral. If he didn't go to his parent's funeral, he isn't going to anyone elses. Some people just don't do funerals. Also, I don't think anyone who watched MJ or James Brown's memorial were sitting in front of their tvs searching to see whether Prince was in attendance. They were to busy honoring and grieving for the perion being memorialized. I'm glad that Prince didn't participate in We Are The World. I liked the purpose behind it but the song was corny. I doubt that many of the artists that participated in the project did anything for that cause after that.

Well... you pretty much help support my reasoning. But Its not about what a few people think, like you and I, its about what the overwhelming majority think. He got ALOT of bad press for bailing on the We are the World project. NOt showing up at the memorial service didnt help people's view of him at all! And these werent really "funerals", they were memorials. No burials... just recognizing his legacy. Prince was influenced TREMENDOUSLY by James Brown. Musically, Im very influenced by Prince and would find it an honor to attend his memorial.
To see a more "human, heart felt" side of Prince would be a feather in his cap.
After all...all these points that have been made in the comparisons.. what is the one truely big difference between them(besides playing instruments)... Exactly...and thats my point. Thats the one main thing that has seperated the 2.

Memorials and funerals are pretty much the same thing. Trust me nobody noticed or cared whether Prince was at MJ's memorial except for certain folks on the org, so it didn't hurt his image not to be there. If it was a big deal the media would've asked where he was. The media seemed to be more conerned about Liz Taylor, Diana Ross, and Quincy Jones being there. Q Jones IMO is the one whose image is hurt from not being there.
Prince believes he is a musical prophet that has been chosen by Jehova to guide his fans to the "truth".
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Reply #128 posted 07/08/09 11:53am

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candy2277 said:

ronnwinter said:


Well... you pretty much help support my reasoning. But Its not about what a few people think, like you and I, its about what the overwhelming majority think. He got ALOT of bad press for bailing on the We are the World project. NOt showing up at the memorial service didnt help people's view of him at all! And these werent really "funerals", they were memorials. No burials... just recognizing his legacy. Prince was influenced TREMENDOUSLY by James Brown. Musically, Im very influenced by Prince and would find it an honor to attend his memorial.
To see a more "human, heart felt" side of Prince would be a feather in his cap.
After all...all these points that have been made in the comparisons.. what is the one truely big difference between them(besides playing instruments)... Exactly...and thats my point. Thats the one main thing that has seperated the 2.

Memorials and funerals are pretty much the same thing. Trust me nobody noticed or cared whether Prince was at MJ's memorial except for certain folks on the org, so it didn't hurt his image not to be there. If it was a big deal the media would've asked where he was. The media seemed to be more conerned about Liz Taylor, Diana Ross, and Quincy Jones being there. Q Jones IMO is the one whose image is hurt from not being there.

Exactly. Those people were associated with MJ. Prince wasn't. Prince is doing OK.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #129 posted 07/08/09 12:11pm

ronnwinter

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candy2277 said:


Memorials and funerals are pretty much the same thing. Trust me nobody noticed or cared whether Prince was at MJ's memorial except for certain folks on the org, so it didn't hurt his image not to be there. If it was a big deal the media would've asked where he was. The media seemed to be more conerned about Liz Taylor, Diana Ross, and Quincy Jones being there. Q Jones IMO is the one whose image is hurt from not being there.

Exactly. Those people were associated with MJ. Prince wasn't. Prince is doing OK.

Wow, talk about missing the point..lol. You guys are right..it didnt hurt his image. Why? because his image is being an ego maniac, which is pointed out on here quite a bit. Again..this is my point. MJ was known all over the world and respected by most of the world, for what? His music and?... and?.. lets say it together... His heart...his charities...his giving. Musically, MJ cant touch Prince. Live performance, its too close to make a difference. Its what they did to make a difference in the world that seperated them the most.
Again.. you people are right about what you say, but its not my point. No, noone expected Prince to be there..because they have come to accept that he just not "that type" of person. And thats NOT a good thing. Imagine if he would have been there, or even sat at a piano and played one of MJs ballads. Millions of people would have seen Prince in a different, more positive light. Say what you will, but deep down, we all know thats the truth.
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Reply #130 posted 07/08/09 12:18pm

Graycap23

ronnwinter said:

purplecam said:


Exactly. Those people were associated with MJ. Prince wasn't. Prince is doing OK.

Wow, talk about missing the point..lol. You guys are right..it didnt hurt his image. Why? because his image is being an ego maniac, which is pointed out on here quite a bit. Again..this is my point. MJ was known all over the world and respected by most of the world, for what? His music and?... and?.. lets say it together... His heart...his charities...his giving. Musically, MJ cant touch Prince. Live performance, its too close to make a difference. Its what they did to make a difference in the world that seperated them the most.
Again.. you people are right about what you say, but its not my point. No, noone expected Prince to be there..because they have come to accept that he just not "that type" of person. And thats NOT a good thing. Imagine if he would have been there, or even sat at a piano and played one of MJs ballads. Millions of people would have seen Prince in a different, more positive light. Say what you will, but deep down, we all know thats the truth.

This is laughable.....
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Reply #131 posted 07/08/09 12:22pm

ronnwinter

Graycap23 said:

ronnwinter said:


Wow, talk about missing the point..lol. You guys are right..it didnt hurt his image. Why? because his image is being an ego maniac, which is pointed out on here quite a bit. Again..this is my point. MJ was known all over the world and respected by most of the world, for what? His music and?... and?.. lets say it together... His heart...his charities...his giving. Musically, MJ cant touch Prince. Live performance, its too close to make a difference. Its what they did to make a difference in the world that seperated them the most.
Again.. you people are right about what you say, but its not my point. No, noone expected Prince to be there..because they have come to accept that he just not "that type" of person. And thats NOT a good thing. Imagine if he would have been there, or even sat at a piano and played one of MJs ballads. Millions of people would have seen Prince in a different, more positive light. Say what you will, but deep down, we all know thats the truth.

This is laughable.....

Yep...lol...I think Im starting to remember a second reason I went over 4 months without posting anything on here.
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Reply #132 posted 07/08/09 12:36pm

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..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #133 posted 07/08/09 12:36pm

Aninopeace

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While the love fest continues elsewhere...let's put it out there.

Is he the best of all time?

No one compares (IMO)...and it wouldn't surprise me if the question at the pearly gates is: Did you get Prince's music?

Feel me?



Not!! He's a distant 2nd to Micheal, fanbase & Royalties included.

After the cd "Come", I can't bear to listen to anything new.. That's how bad that cd was.
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Reply #134 posted 07/08/09 12:40pm

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..She's Just A Baby..but she's my lady..my loveR..my only friend!..true love that will last!..PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND..WHAT SHE SEES IN AN OLDER MAN..they never stop 2 think that maybe i'm what she's looking 4..THEY NEVER TAKE THE TIME..2 look in her mind
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Reply #135 posted 07/08/09 2:01pm

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In my estimation, yes.

at least in the music field.

You see, he's done it all, no one else has. He ain't just a musician on stage, he's an untouchable performer too! Lovesexy tour for instance. He just has it all.

I could go on and on about his unrivalled genius.
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WetDream Nailed It! yes

I couldn't agree more...
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Reply #136 posted 07/08/09 2:08pm

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MJ - I just don't get the hype? never did / never will!!
How can anyone compare him with Prince?
He wasn't fit to lick P's boots in my opinion!
Is everyone forgeting the child abuse cases / face surgery /
kids in masks / etc, etc.... complete and utter weirdo !!
P is the greatest to me, nobody even comes close, he's my
hero and that's all that matters - to me. biggrin
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Reply #137 posted 07/08/09 2:10pm

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My earlier point was that MJs last few releases (Invincible, Blood On The Dancefloor, HIStory). Most of the general public hasn't heard these, and not much of them has been on the radio or video. Scream was one of the last things people heard - that and the Free Willy song, which was about 14-15 years ago.

Those albums show a very constant decline in not only creativity, but also singing talent. Close observation also reveals a very negative vibe permeating Michael's music. Drugs, hatred, destruction, etc.

The general public knows only the early work through Dangerous. He is often viewed through "rose-colored" glasses when it comes to the music itself. If more people heard the aforementioned 3 latest releases, they wouldn't like it.

In the same way, Prince has been doing this to himself for the last 10 years at least (and arguably for 15 years): diluting his masterpiece library with substandard music for quantity's sake.

I think if Prince has never left WB, and had a management team similar to his mid 80s years, he would be looked upon in an entirely different light. What we consider "missteps" might not have happened, since many of those (name change, contractual obligations) would be moot.

Summary - Compare:

Off The Wall vs. 1999
Thriller vs. Purple Rain
Bad vs. Sign "O" The Times
Dangerous vs. Diamonds & Pearls
HIStory vs. The Hits/B-Sides

Seriously, does Prince not win out in every case? cool
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Reply #138 posted 07/08/09 2:11pm

Timmy84

It's all about opinion, I say. But Prince is WAY up there, I'll just say that. But I don't know how anyone can say someone is the "best of" as fact, it's as much of an opinion. Same with the MJ thing. Just an opinion.
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Reply #139 posted 07/08/09 2:12pm

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joanne55555 said:

MJ - I just don't get the hype? never did / never will!!
How can anyone compare him with Prince?
He wasn't fit to lick P's boots in my opinion!
Is everyone forgeting the child abuse cases / face surgery /
kids in masks / etc, etc.... complete and utter weirdo !!
P is the greatest to me, nobody even comes close, he's my
hero and that's all that matters - to me. biggrin


I think the debate is musical/entertainment talent. Not private lives.

Prince had his share of weird stuff too.
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Reply #140 posted 07/08/09 2:13pm

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Timmy84 said:

It's all about opinion, I say. But Prince is WAY up there, I'll just say that. But I don't know how anyone can say someone is the "best of" as fact, it's as much of an opinion. Same with the MJ thing. Just an opinion.


Nobody can be "best of all time" - there are too many musical acts out there with too many variables.

For example, if the criteria were sales only, Prince would barely rank at all.
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Reply #141 posted 07/08/09 2:17pm

Timmy84

Se7en said:

Timmy84 said:

It's all about opinion, I say. But Prince is WAY up there, I'll just say that. But I don't know how anyone can say someone is the "best of" as fact, it's as much of an opinion. Same with the MJ thing. Just an opinion.


Nobody can be "best of all time" - there are too many musical acts out there with too many variables.

For example, if the criteria were sales only, Prince would barely rank at all.


True. nod And to call someone "the best" is limiting the musical/entertainment choices.
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Reply #142 posted 07/08/09 2:19pm

Graycap23

It boils down 2 taste.....and every one has their own.
I'd go with Pat Boone.
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Reply #143 posted 07/08/09 2:20pm

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^^^^

lol....now thats funny
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Reply #144 posted 07/08/09 2:38pm

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Aninopeace said:

Revolution said:

While the love fest continues elsewhere...let's put it out there.

Is he the best of all time?

No one compares (IMO)...and it wouldn't surprise me if the question at the pearly gates is: Did you get Prince's music?

Feel me?



Not!! He's a distant 2nd to Micheal, fanbase & Royalties included.

After the cd "Come", I can't bear to listen to anything new.. That's how bad that cd was.


There have been stellar songs since "Come" came out...you'll discover them down the line, because you are still here, on the org.

Fanbase and royalties don't have a damn thing to do with the question. I'm not asking who sells the most, who dances the best, who sings the best....That's a popularity contest, and Prince has NOT sold out to win that game. Wouldn't you agree that the most talented person in the world isn't necessarily the same one who sells the most?

The creation of music, from a concept to fruition, which encompasses a ton of stuff (lyrics, performances etc)...Prince excels over everyone, IMO, ever. It's not even close.

B.O.A.T. = Best of all time

Get On The Boat people! music
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #145 posted 07/08/09 3:54pm

3232

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free0001 said:


Look, Prince has a multitude of traits that I dislike. But to deny his ability, based upon this distaste, is invalid, in my opinion.

If we won't give the guy the full and proper respect, who will?



Who is denying his ability? If you don't agree he is the #1 Best of All Time, you're not giving him "full and proper respect"... ??

The question is not whether Prince is an amazing talent - - - that is obviously YES to every person here. The question is if he's the best of all time - - - and that is debatable.

Thank u very much
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Reply #146 posted 07/08/09 4:17pm

3232

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free0001 said:



Just how does one make such an arrogant remark as if it's Law? By what gauge are you measuring this 'influence' that you speak of? Comparing living legends with those no longer with us, is blatantly unfair.

Prince is as talented as any human being who ever drew air on this planet. Throw in a unique sense of style, and you have the most DYNAMIC Musical talent that I have ever seen. PRINCE IS A CLASS OF 1.

Some of the 'elders' in this blog seem afraid to 'man-up' or 'woman-up'and state the obvious.

Look, Prince has a multitude of traits that I dislike. But to deny his ability, based upon this distaste, is invalid, in my opinion.

If we won't give the guy the full and proper respect, who will?

I agree 100%. And I thought I was the only one who thought 3232's remarks were arrogant, not to mention self-absorbed.


So because I DONT join the bandwagon that declares Prince as G.o.a.t, that makes me arrogant? I am just a fanatic as every one else on here (yes we all are fanatics)...and I also have an opinion..Prince is my all time fav musician...BUT, he is NOT the greatest of all time, he is NOT the most influential, he is great yes, innovative yes, cutting edge(use to be), & very influential...but he is not the greatest OF ALL TIMES! Your favorite of all times? hell yeah, no question bout that.Call me arrogant, feelings mutual if u want to shove YOUR views of Prince down my throat.
You're arrogant for preaching that he is..I am arrogant for preaching that he is NOT! And by the way, comparing the living with the dead as u stated is in no way unfair as u put it.."Greatest of all times" covers EVERYONE, living and dead!
Done.
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Reply #147 posted 07/08/09 4:27pm

DesireeNevermi
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^ prince is a goat? wha???
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Reply #148 posted 07/08/09 4:33pm

jonylawson

mj MIXED ROCK,POP AND SOUL???

funny.....i thought his songwriters and producers did that.....
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Reply #149 posted 07/08/09 4:54pm

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DesireeNevermind said:

^ prince is a goat? wha???

spit
This thread is making me LMAO
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I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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