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PrintableRebelution said: chillichocaholic said: Just out of curiosity...is it really THAT important whether they were friends or not?
thank u chilli--i swear, these people are OBSESSED with putting prince and mj together in song. I say enough, and i say there are already too many threads on mj....if u dig him so much, go to his website  AGREED!!!!!
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There's pic of MJ sitting on a hotel bed reading a USA with Prince on the cover. I think it was taken during the Purple Rain era
I use to have it on my computer until it crashed a few months ago and I lost everything. 
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muirdo said: he also kicked MJs ass at table tennis.
and hit on his sis...I think LaToya. | |
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David1974 said: catpark said: Sounds like Prince was quoting one of MJ's own songs. ive heard MJ sing this but forgot what the song is called. Exactly, but it is true that Prince then said something like "Let me say something: I never spoke publicly about Michael, but we don't know what he's got for us in the future. Just chill and wait and see, just wait and see". Hearing that, I always thought Prince and Michael would do something together and maybe they have. We don't know. I do know that Michael admired Prince (he wanted to do Bad together, made a Prince reference in his movie) and don't forget: the whole O2 thing (that speeded up Michael's death IMHO) wasn't just about debt, but also to let Prince see "I can do this too and even better" in a friendly sorta competitive way. At least, that's how I felt the day he did the press conference about the O2 shows. do it better?...he didn't have as many dates scheduled...? | |
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babynoz said: Dayclear said: Well MJ named his first born son PRINCE. so I figured he didn't dislike him too much.
 For the thousanth time,
Mike's sons are named after his grandfather, Prince Albert Scruse. He was Katherine Jackson's father. http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ne_Jackson  ....Sreuse...too funny! | |
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thedance said: he did credit...it said DrFB at the end of his post...I was aware of where he got the info....shoulda put a link to...but the source was credited. | |
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Rebelution said: Dayclear said: Well MJ named his first born son PRINCE. so I figured he didn't dislike him too much.
dayclear: mj called himself "the KING of pop", did he not??? his children/heirs can only be princes. well...when the father of a Prince dies, the Prince becomes King... | |
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I have no clue why they kept being compared as rivals by anybody.
Take Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous. Now during this same period, take Prince's albums, 1999, purple Rain, Around The World in a Day, Parade, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, Graffiti Bridge, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls. Compare the type of albums they were. MJ's Bad and Dangerous where only marginally different from Thriller. It was the same, safe, hit making formula. Albeit, Micheal's 'safe' doesn't mean boring. His ballads ooze emotion and his thumping hits are very very catchy. But, they were safe. They were produced to be hits . With Prince, you had 4 albums that appeared to be designed to be hits (1999, Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls). But none of those albums are exactly 'safe'. Many of the songs are strange, do unexpected things, and are just plane quirky..brilliantly quirky. That leaves you with 4 albums that confound and boggle a record exec's imagination: Around The World in a Day, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, and Graffiti Bridge (I don't think GB was designed to be a hit cause I don't think Prince ever gave a shit about the movie project. He was being pressured to do a PR pt. 2, and I think he disdained the idea). He could have followed up Purple Rain with Purple Rain pt. 2, but instead he released the very beatlesch ATWIAD. His followup album to that was PARADE, an even stranger album. He then went on to disband the revolution during a period that (back then) was considered lackluster for him --a risky move on it's own--and attempt to release a 3 album record. What he released instead was SOTT, which was still risky being a 2 album record , after the breakup of a band that many folks loved, during a period of time when he was probably being pressured by WB to release a hit album. He follows that up with a record pulled from stores (The black album) and quickly releases a psychodelic gospel album!!?!?!?! I mean, come on! I certainly don't think he was particularly interested in being seen as the rival of another pop icon. It probably irritates him that part of his fame is based on a contrast with ANY other artist. Prince has no rivals. He never did. . [Edited 6/28/09 7:48am] | |
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true.....prince has no rivals | |
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Imago said: I have no clue why they kept being compared as rivals by anybody.
Take Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous. Now during this same period, take Prince's albums, 1999, purple Rain, Around The World in a Day, Parade, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, Graffiti Bridge, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls. Compare the type of albums they were. MJ's Bad and Dangerous where only marginally different from Thriller. It was the same, safe, hit making formula. Albeit, Micheal's 'safe' doesn't mean boring. His ballads ooze emotion and his thumping hits are very very catchy. But, they were safe. They were produced to be hits . With Prince, you had 4 albums that appeared to be designed to be hits (1999, Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls). But none of those albums are exactly 'safe'. Many of the songs are strange, do unexpected things, and are just plane quirky..brilliantly quirky. That leaves you with 4 albums that confound and boggle a record exec's imagination: Around The World in a Day, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, and Graffiti Bridge (I don't think GB was designed to be a hit cause I don't think Prince ever gave a shit about the movie project. He was being pressured to do a PR pt. 2, and I think he disdained the idea). He could have followed up Purple Rain with Purple Rain pt. 2, but instead he released the very beatlesch ATWIAD. His followup album to that was PARADE, an even stranger album. He then went on to disband the revolution during a period that (back then) was considered lackluster for him --a risky move on it's own--and attempt to release a 3 album record. What he released instead was SOTT, which was still risky being a 2 album record , after the breakup of a band that many folks loved, during a period of time when he was probably being pressured by WB to release a hit album. He follows that up with a record pulled from stores (The black album) and quickly releases a psychodelic gospel album!!?!?!?! I mean, come on! I certainly don't think he was particularly interested in being seen as the rival of another pop icon. It probably irritates him that part of his fame is based on a contrast with ANY other artist. Prince has no rivals. He never did. . [Edited 6/28/09 7:48am] I believe that was the record companies doing. To make it all more exciting with two of the most popular artists during the mid-80s taking the music world by storm, during that time. I remember seeing articles on "Who is the real King of Pop?" and all that other nonsense. It was basically for publicity purposes, that's all. It was basically fun music rivalry like the "Prince vs MJ" parties, that's been going on to this day, and the lunch hour specials that the radio stations have been doing for years with "Prince and MJ" music. Nothing bitter or too serious to the nature of a "Tupac vs Biggie" situation that ended tragically unfortunately. You had Prince, MJ and even Rick James, 3 black artists putting out good music at the same time. It was an awesome time period, all 3 with their own, unique styles which made for an exciting time in music. [Edited 6/28/09 8:35am] | |
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Has anyone seen a picture of P and MJ together? | |
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Why is this such news? No one ever said they hated each other. Why do people assume that artists just automatically hate each other, or are jealous of each other when either achieve a huge amount of success at the same time. It's a juvenile mentality. Someone said Prince's biggest rival was Rick James. There's a lot more truth in that than MJ and Prince being rivals. Thriller hit a full year and a half before "When Doves Cry" was even released. Thriller was dying down a tad once Purple Rain came out. 1984 saw the Jackson's on tour with the Victory Tour and supporting the Victory album. Yeah it was a spectacle, but so was Purple Rain. History has obviously shown us, if nothing else, that there is, in fact, room for everyone, even at the top.
The comparisons, ad nauseum, are apples and oranges. Prince never rose to the challenge of a great video like MJ did. 99% of Prince's videos are performance videos. Straight up performance videos. A lot of variations on that, but still wasn't anything even like "Billie Jean" or "Beat It", much less something spectacular like "Thriller" or "Bad". But on the other hand, MJ never really delved into extreme types of music on his albums. He was always straight ahead pop much, with some rock thrown in, and the occasional anthem. His formula was the same and it always worked for him. He never put out protege albums or anything of the like. The closest would have been 3T. Even those who were on his record label ended up being 2nd rate acts who were eventually dropped. So to say MJ and Prince being friendly rivals was some sort of revelation really comes from the idea that no one ever really took the time to examine what the hell was going on through the 80's and 90's. It's not exactly Keith Olbermann and Bill O'Reilly. | |
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catpark said: thedance said: at the press conference may 2000, when asked who would win a fist fight Prince or Michael Jackson, Prince said something like:
Michael is a lover not a fighter... Sounds like Prince was quoting one of MJ's own songs. ive heard MJ sing this but forgot what the song is called. "The girl is mine". | |
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2elijah said: Imago said: I have no clue why they kept being compared as rivals by anybody.
Take Thriller, Bad, and Dangerous. Now during this same period, take Prince's albums, 1999, purple Rain, Around The World in a Day, Parade, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, Graffiti Bridge, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls. Compare the type of albums they were. MJ's Bad and Dangerous where only marginally different from Thriller. It was the same, safe, hit making formula. Albeit, Micheal's 'safe' doesn't mean boring. His ballads ooze emotion and his thumping hits are very very catchy. But, they were safe. They were produced to be hits . With Prince, you had 4 albums that appeared to be designed to be hits (1999, Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds & Pearls). But none of those albums are exactly 'safe'. Many of the songs are strange, do unexpected things, and are just plane quirky..brilliantly quirky. That leaves you with 4 albums that confound and boggle a record exec's imagination: Around The World in a Day, Sign of the Times, LoveSexy, and Graffiti Bridge (I don't think GB was designed to be a hit cause I don't think Prince ever gave a shit about the movie project. He was being pressured to do a PR pt. 2, and I think he disdained the idea). He could have followed up Purple Rain with Purple Rain pt. 2, but instead he released the very beatlesch ATWIAD. His followup album to that was PARADE, an even stranger album. He then went on to disband the revolution during a period that (back then) was considered lackluster for him --a risky move on it's own--and attempt to release a 3 album record. What he released instead was SOTT, which was still risky being a 2 album record , after the breakup of a band that many folks loved, during a period of time when he was probably being pressured by WB to release a hit album. He follows that up with a record pulled from stores (The black album) and quickly releases a psychodelic gospel album!!?!?!?! I mean, come on! I certainly don't think he was particularly interested in being seen as the rival of another pop icon. It probably irritates him that part of his fame is based on a contrast with ANY other artist. Prince has no rivals. He never did. . [Edited 6/28/09 7:48am] I believe that was the record companies doing. To make it all more exciting with two of the most popular artists during the mid-80s taking the music world by storm, during that time. I remember seeing articles on "Who is the real King of Pop?" and all that other nonsense. It was basically fun rivalry with the music, nothing bitter of that serious, like the "Tupac vs Biggie" situation. You had Prince, MJ and even Rick James, 3 black artists putting out good music at the time, all 3 with their own unique styles which made for an exciting time in music. [Edited 6/28/09 8:00am] Prince is black? | |
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Imago said: 2elijah said: I believe that was the record companies doing. To make it all more exciting with two of the most popular artists during the mid-80s taking the music world by storm, during that time. I remember seeing articles on "Who is the real King of Pop?" and all that other nonsense. It was basically fun rivalry with the music, nothing bitter of that serious, like the "Tupac vs Biggie" situation. You had Prince, MJ and even Rick James, 3 black artists putting out good music at the time, all 3 with their own unique styles which made for an exciting time in music. [Edited 6/28/09 8:00am] Prince is black? Whatever dude, I don't have time for your nonsense, and not going there. Moving on and staying on topic. [Edited 6/28/09 8:36am] | |
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Se7en said: langebleu said: People are not "always saying" these things. I never once heard the "competition" argument - but what I did hear far too much (and admittedly quite often from this site) is that "Prince and MJ should do a song together". To me, they are comparable equivalents but not interchangeable. Like Beatles/Rolling Stones, Star Trek/Star Wars, or even Apples/Oranges. yeah the competition thing has been out for a long time A lot of it is generated by fans and music media: those 2 being the 2 biggest of the 80's, and black-american. I would think Prince & Bruce would be pit against each other since they both had personal bands and played instruments. So it all really comes down to race. Back in 82/83 at a James Brown show/party. James called Michael up on the stage to do his thang, Mike hit some moves to the bands groove and had everyone yelling. Mike goes to James and tells him Prince is in the audience, to call him up. James calls out for Prince and a few minutes later Chick H is carrying Prince on his back to the stage. Prince does his thing screeches pulls his shirt off does some splits, then looks around barrows a guitar and hits out a few licks, then departs the stage, but thinking a light pole was sturdy he falls into the audience when it doesn't support him Prince had that inbetween 1999-Purple Rain look like he did at the 1st Avenue shows were Electric Intercourse were performed and Wendy Melvoin introduced. | |
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2elijah said: Imago said: Prince is black? Whatever dude, I don't have time for your nonsense, and not going there. Moving on and staying on topic. [Edited 6/28/09 8:36am] ok | |
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BobGeorge909 said: David1974 said: Exactly, but it is true that Prince then said something like "Let me say something: I never spoke publicly about Michael, but we don't know what he's got for us in the future. Just chill and wait and see, just wait and see". Hearing that, I always thought Prince and Michael would do something together and maybe they have. We don't know. I do know that Michael admired Prince (he wanted to do Bad together, made a Prince reference in his movie) and don't forget: the whole O2 thing (that speeded up Michael's death IMHO) wasn't just about debt, but also to let Prince see "I can do this too and even better" in a friendly sorta competitive way. At least, that's how I felt the day he did the press conference about the O2 shows. do it better?...he didn't have as many dates scheduled...? Are you serious? MJ had 50 sold out dates at the O2, even though he is quoted as having "initially only signed on for 10". I personally don't think he would have finished 21 nights, let alone 50. Prince could have sold out more if he wanted to. That 21 nights was already a record-breaking feat. Add to that the frequent aftershows, and he really outdid himself. |
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My voice is getting higher
and Eye ain't never had my nose done That's the other guy | |
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Prince and Michael Jackson were never rivals. Prince's rival was Rick James up until 1984. After that, Prince had no rivals. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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thedance said: Prince is an old family name in the Jackson family? I have heard that, but sorry - I just don't believe a word about that,
it just sounds too goofy. MJ has used hype many many times in his career, and MJ himself has denied he had any surgery, which is obviously untrue, so... I am not believeing everything that was told by MJ/ the Jackson family 
Still it's very sad - his death, RIP MJ.
[Edited 6/28/09 6:40am] [Edited 6/28/09 6:40am] What's so goofy about it? It's simple enough to verify independent of what the Jackson family says. The name Prince was fairly common a generation ago, particularly among southern black folk. http://www.wargs.com/othe...ksonm.html Here's another one for ya...Mike's grandmother was named Mattie...how ya like them apples? 
On topic, Prince and Mike being friendly is nice to hear but not a big deal really. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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vainandy said: Prince and Michael Jackson were never rivals. Prince's rival was Rick James up until 1984. After that, Prince had no rivals.
True. It's mostly fans that keep such nonsense going. A couple of statements here or there does not make a rivalry and there's not enough similarity between the two to make one anyway. It's a silly comparison IMO. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Genesia said: TheKing662 said: mods.please do not lock this thread,its real imformation,im just sharing info that people should know.
In which case, you should give your source credit. You did not get this story. You lifted it from Dr. Funkenberry. i know,it had Dr.F at the end of the post [Edited 6/28/09 13:18pm] | |
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Genesia said: TheKing662 said: mods.please do not lock this thread,its real imformation,im just sharing info that people should know.
In which case, you should give your source credit. You did not get this story. You lifted it from Dr. Funkenberry. Accuracy is swiftly on the heels of attention to detail. And then to hear that it shouldn't matter?  I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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saafiir said: For sure a lot of respect between them + a healthy rivalry :
And the whole world has to answer right now just to tell you once again... Who's Bad ? I don't wanna be King cos I've seen the top & it's just a dream !  I don't get why people are ignoring lines like these... there was SOMETHING between Prince and Michael, rivalry or friendship I don't know... Prince didn't write song lyrics about every other artist out there... he did mention Michael in songs... I think it's perfectly valid to compare the two artists... | |
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TheKing662 said: Genesia said: In which case, you should give your source credit. You did not get this story. You lifted it from Dr. Funkenberry. i know,it had Dr.F at the end of the post So why on earth did you give the thread title as: 'Exclusive:Prince & Michael Were Friends' Describing the information as exclusive is total bollocks if you are copying everything else from another source. ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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moderatorTheKing662 said: Prince and Michael Jackson were friendly rivals? Seriously? According to former band members of the Purple One, it’s true.
A report in the Startribune, Bobby Z., Prince’s drummer for the Revolution, remembers watching the 1984 Grammys with Prince as Michael Jackson swept the Grammys. “We were watching rough cuts of [the movie] ‘Purple Rain,’ and we knew that’s where Prince wanted to be the next year,” Z said Thursday. Michael Jackson even showed up to 2 Purple Rain shows backstage. Although Michael Jackson did want to work with Prince a few years later, Prince declined due to lyrical differences. What night was Micheal Jackson there? Michael Jordan was there????? Michael Bland insisted they got along fine. “They’d shoot hoops at Paisley Park,” Prince’s studio/home in Chanhassen. “We used to get packages from MJJ Productions [with] footage of Sly Stone performing in Europe. Prince would pop it in the VCR, and we’d watch it.” Prince even defended Michael at a press conference in 2000 where he said something along the lines of “we don’t really know what is going on with him and maybe we need to chill on that.” (I can’t find the original transcript so paraphrasing people.) Personally speaking, I did see Michael Jackson attend one of Prince’s shows at 3121 Las Vegas in 2006 with Wil I Am of the Black Eyed Peas and Chris Tucker. Michael did not make the after show as planned where he was to be seated with Michael Jordan. Recently, Prince has been performing Michael Jackson songs in his sets, “Don’t Stop Til You Get Enough” and recently “Dancing Machine” by the Jackson 5 It’s nice to know my favorite artist Prince had an interesting connection with Michael that many of us did not know, beating him in hoops I am sure. -Dr.FB mods.please do not lock this thread,its real imformation,im just sharing info that people should know. Prime aka The Kid
"I need u to dance, I need u to strip I need u to shake Ur lil' ass n hips I need u to grind like Ur working for tips And give me what I need while we listen to PRINCE" | |
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chillichocaholic said: Just out of curiosity...is it really THAT important whether they were friends or not?
Well, let's just say that Prince having lyrics like "U must become a Prince before ur a king anyway", "Big cars and women/and fancy clothes/Might save ur face, but it won't save ur soul"...doing the MJ "Hee hee!!" and leg kick during his performance of "Face Down" on the Chris Rock show...and countless other examples...will start to get the idea spreading that MJ and Prince aren't exactly chummy lol | |
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Byron said: chillichocaholic said: Just out of curiosity...is it really THAT important whether they were friends or not?
Well, let's just say that Prince having lyrics like "U must become a Prince before ur a king anyway", "Big cars and women/and fancy clothes/Might save ur face, but it won't save ur soul"...doing the MJ "Hee hee!!" and leg kick during his performance of "Face Down" on the Chris Rock show...and countless other examples...will start to get the idea spreading that MJ and Prince aren't exactly chummy lol Thank you! | |
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coolcat said: Byron said: Well, let's just say that Prince having lyrics like "U must become a Prince before ur a king anyway", "Big cars and women/and fancy clothes/Might save ur face, but it won't save ur soul"...doing the MJ "Hee hee!!" and leg kick during his performance of "Face Down" on the Chris Rock show...and countless other examples...will start to get the idea spreading that MJ and Prince aren't exactly chummy lol Thank you!You're welcome lol... The whole idea that the idea there was some competitive "tension" between the two is only in the minds of goofy fans or braindead media members completely overlooks things the artists themselves did to fuel the speculative fires... | |
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