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PrintableMantuaPharoah said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: That's blasphemy!! Without songs like Head, there'd be no Prince! Think about it!
I disagree! I became a fan after hearing When Doves Cry for the first time. I didn't need Head and Sister. Personally, I'm a fan DESPITE those songs. It just stuns me that a man could be so overt and brash. Even more recently, I LOVE the song Come. And that's one of Prince's RAUNCHIEST! We all have a little bit of a closet "freak" in us, but I just can't imagine singing a song where I'm going off in a psycho way yelling and screaming about "coming" for all my friends and family to hear. Now that's what makes Prince, Prince. But I just believe that some of his subject matter and content was WAY WAY out there. He's an artist, but I contend that the early smut wasn't art. I'll even go as far as to say that the song "Come" is art. It's musically fascinating in my opinion. But there's nothing "artful" about Sister, or "wanting to fuck the taste out of your mouth". I relate... but I wouldn't overtly relate... or write a damn song about it!! lol You didn't think about it! I was there from the beginning. Had it not been for Prince's "taboo" days that made people stop and go WTF, he would not have lasted to get around to "When Doves Cry"! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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i think its a bit sad that he could ignore any of the art he's created. Unfortunately the majority thats ignored and overlooked today was from a critically acclaimed period that got him where he is today...tis tis what a pity, sometimes life can be so shitty!!!!!
Prince shouldn't be ashamed of anything fropm his catalogue, but he should be ashamed of himself that he could take that stance.....but all in all i think it just shows you how much relgion can potentially twist and warp a person I can understand he may feel a bit too old to sing head, and maybe perform the motions on stage - but hey that is fine, but dont pretend the period never was and instruct people to not go there during interviews - princey that is the period that made you, of course thats what people wanna talk about. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: MantuaPharoah said: I disagree! I became a fan after hearing When Doves Cry for the first time. I didn't need Head and Sister. Personally, I'm a fan DESPITE those songs. It just stuns me that a man could be so overt and brash. Even more recently, I LOVE the song Come. And that's one of Prince's RAUNCHIEST! We all have a little bit of a closet "freak" in us, but I just can't imagine singing a song where I'm going off in a psycho way yelling and screaming about "coming" for all my friends and family to hear. Now that's what makes Prince, Prince. But I just believe that some of his subject matter and content was WAY WAY out there. He's an artist, but I contend that the early smut wasn't art. I'll even go as far as to say that the song "Come" is art. It's musically fascinating in my opinion. But there's nothing "artful" about Sister, or "wanting to fuck the taste out of your mouth". I relate... but I wouldn't overtly relate... or write a damn song about it!! lol You didn't think about it! I was there from the beginning. Had it not been for Prince's "taboo" days that made people stop and go WTF, he would not have lasted to get around to "When Doves Cry"! Ummm... I respectfully disagree. Talent is talent. Cream (no pun intended) rises to the top. Good music is good music. There are plenty of artist who last without needing to sing songs like that. I'm not saying Prince was wrong. In this country we have freedom of speech. But if you're saying that that's something that Prince needed to do in order to last, I beg to differ. True, there was competition like Michael Jackson in the late 70's and early 80's. True there was competition like Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and Kool & the Gang. But I don't think Prince "had to go that route", or else he would not have lasted. If anything, I think hardcore lyrics like that ran the risk of him NOT LASTING to get around to When Doves Cry. The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else! |
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MantuaPharoah said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: You didn't think about it! I was there from the beginning. Had it not been for Prince's "taboo" days that made people stop and go WTF, he would not have lasted to get around to "When Doves Cry"! Ummm... I respectfully disagree. Talent is talent. Cream (no pun intended) rises to the top. Good music is good music. There are plenty of artist who last without needing to sing songs like that. I'm not saying Prince was wrong. In this country we have freedom of speech. But if you're saying that that's something that Prince needed to do in order to last, I beg to differ. True, there was competition like Michael Jackson in the late 70's and early 80's. True there was competition like Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder and Kool & the Gang. But I don't think Prince "had to go that route", or else he would not have lasted. If anything, I think hardcore lyrics like that ran the risk of him NOT LASTING to get around to When Doves Cry. I'm not saying it's what he needed to do! I'm saying it's what he DID do and had he not, he wouldn't have lasted! Those songs are what set him apart from ALL competition including the King of Freaky Funk himself, Mr. Rick James and the could do no wrong then Golden Child, Mr. Michael Jackson! You can beg to differ all you want but I witnessed it and I know what I'm talking about! I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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MantuaPharoah said: ...I can't imagine becoming a fan of Prince's music had I been in my mid-20's during that Dirty Mind - Controversy era... unless I was some kind of a freak!
I must be a freak 
MantuaPharoah said: I also wonder if those risque songs from back in the day are something that deep down inside embarrasses Prince. Aside from all of the Jehovah's Witness stuff, I also wonder if Prince 2009 would be a fan of Prince 1979.
Well, P hasn't performed any of the songs that he used to sing. Not performing them gets rid of some of the embarrassment he may feel, if he is embarrassed by what he's done. [IMO, I don't think he's embarrassed....but it's not possible for me to know what he thinks/feels] errant said: While I don't play them in mixed company, they don't personally embarrass me.
Resolution. Life O' The Party. Undisputed. Freaks On This Side. now THAT shit is embarrassing. 
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HEAD is an amazing song, nothing embarrassing about the subject: oralsex,
In Denmark you are able to sing about that on radio, absolutely no restrictions, no censorship at all 
but... I have never hear HEAD on the radio though, only the usual hits like Gett Off, Cream, TMBGITW, Kiss, Raspberry Beret, Purple Rain, Little Red Corvette, When Doves Cry, Musicology etc.....  Prince 4Ever.  | |
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MantuaPharoah said: I'm a fan just like all of you, and when I was 14.....,
was this last week!?  | |
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MantuaPharoah said: I don't expect a FREAK like you to see where I'm coming from.
 I'll take that as a compliment! | |
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Are u crazy? If u like something toned down...why u ever started to like Prince anyway? | |
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sorry, didn't mean to offend but i think it is kinda strange to look back this way...eventually people grow older and get other ideas and interest ofcourse....thank god for that..he might one day even think why i ever became a JW anyway?...but why look back and feel ashamed? And if the funny Head should be buried then we can bury about 1/3 of his outpit till 1995 can we? Would there be space for Come? or Lovesexy?.... | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: DesireeNevermind said: Sister was embarassing I think. show you where its supposed to go? you should have known that already Princey.
 ahh ahh depending on what age Prince or the Kid was when Sister was showing him where it's supposed to go RIP  | |
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augustwinters said: You must be a woman. The reason we hetrosexual men could even relate to a guy in make-up and high heels and feel comfortable while Prince pranced around singing I wanna be your lover is that we knew his Royal Badness had a similar side as we do...
This is all so true and something that I especially can agree with today. But at the time of Dirty Mind, I was 10 years old and could relate to none of that. I never saw the video for Dirty Mind at the time but I know if I'd seen it back then, I would never have been a fan of that weirdo! I was a 10 year old boy and a few years off of being able to relate to the sexualty of the songs.
songs like Head, Let's pretend we're Married,Bambi, Irristable Bitch, Erotic City, Get Off,Peach, Mad Sex,and Poom Poom, are the reasons why us hetro males can comfortable pump out our chests and say yeah you funking right I'm a Prince fan and if you don't like it...tough, I'm going to grab your girlfriend and make her dance in front of my headlights on a hot summer night nude! Same reason you'll never hear any of us fully commit to being a die-hard Michael Jackson fan...It's a testosterone thing. Today I can listen to those songs, puff the chest up and declare that I'm proud to be a fan. However, I can't watch that Dirty Mind video without seriously cringing. Honestly, what was he thinking? RIP | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Hey now y'all men! Watch that you must be a woman stuff! I'm all woman and I
 those songs!The comment isn't about women in general on the .org but that only a woman would take that point of view, so for 2 guys picked up on it, so it has some bearing | |
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i loved head thats the song that got me hooked on prince in the 1st place & it remains my favorite prince song of all time. I just wish that he does it again in concert. U gonna have 2 fight ure own damn war cuz we dont wanna fight no more!! | |
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TheEnglishGent said: OldFriends4Sale said: ahh ahh depending on what age Prince or the Kid was when Sister was showing him where it's supposed to go my Sister was 32 lovely and loose... I knew a situation like this, (I won't say the brother and sister were having sex) but the older sister was lovely and loose and her younger brother 'watched her have sex' a lot, even we got a few peak shows She don't wear no underwear... his sister didn't either, don't let it be a summer day and she has a summer dress on walking by a few of the fellas washing their car... oh boy | |
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..."Dirty Mind" is like a major Warner underground release that they pressed up in the middle of the night on coke, laughing, because there was no-one around to stop them...
...then sunrise came and they started packing that shit on the truck and it was too late. Then "Controversy" came out... mega star!...” Robert O'Dell http://citinite.wordpress...he-rebels/ | |
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TheEnglishGent said: augustwinters said: You must be a woman. The reason we hetrosexual men could even relate to a guy in make-up and high heels and feel comfortable while Prince pranced around singing I wanna be your lover is that we knew his Royal Badness had a similar side as we do...
This is all so true and something that I especially can agree with today. But at the time of Dirty Mind, I was 10 years old and could relate to none of that. I never saw the video for Dirty Mind at the time but I know if I'd seen it back then, I would never have been a fan of that weirdo! I was a 10 year old boy and a few years off of being able to relate to the sexualty of the songs.
songs like Head, Let's pretend we're Married,Bambi, Irristable Bitch, Erotic City, Get Off,Peach, Mad Sex,and Poom Poom, are the reasons why us hetro males can comfortable pump out our chests and say yeah you funking right I'm a Prince fan and if you don't like it...tough, I'm going to grab your girlfriend and make her dance in front of my headlights on a hot summer night nude! Same reason you'll never hear any of us fully commit to being a die-hard Michael Jackson fan...It's a testosterone thing. Today I can listen to those songs, puff the chest up and declare that I'm proud to be a fan. However, I can't watch that Dirty Mind video without seriously cringing. Honestly, what was he thinking? reminds me of Madonnas Like A Virgin MTV performance or the Blond Ambition tour haa even Madonna was Princed out, her style was serious Erotic City  [Edited 6/10/09 5:59am] | |
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MantuaPharoah said: Dayclear said: Do you realize how old these songs are? They were fun and he got his message across just fine when they came out. I see YOU haven't forgotten them.
That's not my point. True, I remember them, but that doesn't mean I look back on them the same way that I look back on songs like Adore and When Doves Cry. I'm simply saying that I would think that they'd be embarrassing songs for Prince to look back on. This is the same person that many people proclaim a genius. I agree. But songs like this, I consider dirty laundry. That's just my opinion. your what's called a Prude, your modesty & puritanical senses are offended by those songs because you envision what he is saying and see yourself in a situation like that and you get embarrased. Your deflecting. You think sex is dirty and shameful and something to be done in the dark always with the lights off and curtains drawn, and you think about something else when it's happening..when it's over you rush to wash up, and scrub off the dirty of sex but you can't get away from your desire | |
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I don't find those songs embarrasing at all.I like the rebellious,raw Prince! "Head" is a synth/funk classic....one of his most memorable jams. | |
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TheEnglishGent said: augustwinters said: You must be a woman. The reason we hetrosexual men could even relate to a guy in make-up and high heels and feel comfortable while Prince pranced around singing I wanna be your lover is that we knew his Royal Badness had a similar side as we do...
This is all so true and something that I especially can agree with today. But at the time of Dirty Mind, I was 10 years old and could relate to none of that. I never saw the video for Dirty Mind at the time but I know if I'd seen it back then, I would never have been a fan of that weirdo! I was a 10 year old boy and a few years off of being able to relate to the sexualty of the songs.
songs like Head, Let's pretend we're Married,Bambi, Irristable Bitch, Erotic City, Get Off,Peach, Mad Sex,and Poom Poom, are the reasons why us hetro males can comfortable pump out our chests and say yeah you funking right I'm a Prince fan and if you don't like it...tough, I'm going to grab your girlfriend and make her dance in front of my headlights on a hot summer night nude! Same reason you'll never hear any of us fully commit to being a die-hard Michael Jackson fan...It's a testosterone thing. Today I can listen to those songs, puff the chest up and declare that I'm proud to be a fan. However, I can't watch that Dirty Mind video without seriously cringing. Honestly, what was he thinking? Thank you. THANK YOU ENGLISH GENT! SOMEBODY understands what I'm trying to say!! LOL I look back on that old stuff and cringe too!! Someone posted a clip here just below of a vid of prince wearing some lime green scantilly clad outfit, and using his guitar like it's some enlarged penis, and spewing his semen all over the audience!! THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING! I LOVE 90% of Prince's music... but I just think that the Dirty Mind era, and some of his subject matter and lewd behavior was a bit much! That's all I'm trying to say. As the creator of so many beautiful masterpieces like Adore, She Gave Her Angels, Crucial, Pink Cashmere, When Doves Cry, And God Created Woman... looking back on that era is a JOKE! That's just MY OPINION! I respect everyone on this thread... but I'm just saying that I could have done without fucking the taste out of your mouth, the incestual "Sister"... and that whole Dirty Mind - Controvery era. There are some cuts I LOVE from that era... but some of the songs are just rediculous and should have been keep in the closet. I'm talking "family values" people! lol Prince has always had a way about him. Look at songs like "I Love You in Me". Even "Little Red Corvette"... and even "Glam Slam". Those songs are sexual ART! There's nothing artful about Head, and some of the other Horny Toad smut. Good music. Absolutely for their time. Good lyrics??? Ummmmm... I suppose that depends on how much of an overt or closet freak you are! We all mature. Prince has matured. But that era was just "shockadelic"! lol The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else! |
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Efan said: No, no, no, no. Just no.
There's nothing embarrassing about those songs or times. Now, going on TV and saying the government should be based on prophecy or some nonsense like that...that's embarrassing. But Head? That's just good stuff. Beautifully said Efan. I agree with you whole-heartedly. Songs like Head, Sister, Sexy MF are Prince! This other shit about prophecy is just nonsense. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said: MantuaPharoah said: That's not my point. True, I remember them, but that doesn't mean I look back on them the same way that I look back on songs like Adore and When Doves Cry. I'm simply saying that I would think that they'd be embarrassing songs for Prince to look back on. This is the same person that many people proclaim a genius. I agree. But songs like this, I consider dirty laundry. That's just my opinion. your what's called a Prude, your modesty & puritanical senses are offended by those songs because you envision what he is saying and see yourself in a situation like that and you get embarrased. Your deflecting. You think sex is dirty and shameful and something to be done in the dark always with the lights off and curtains drawn, and you think about something else when it's happening..when it's over you rush to wash up, and scrub off the dirty of sex but you can't get away from your desire And obviously you're not a prude. Love the graphic by the way! lol I just think there's some acts that should be kept behind closed doors. Obviously back then, Prince wished we all were nude, and wished there were no rules... and wanted to let his body be free... blah blah blah. But damn dude, put some pants on when your onstage! Was that too much to ask?? And why air familial laundry in songs like Sister... or whatever. I know Prince wasn't Stevie Wonder or Kirk Franklin (back then), but ADMIT IT... some of that sh*t was just pure SMUT!!!! ADMIT IT!!! I'm not saying it was wrong! I'm calling a spade a spade! lol If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat... it must be a rat! I'm just happy that as Prince matured, he was able to turn the pure smut into artistic smut! Listen to Adore compared to Jack U Off! Don't get me wrong, I loved Jack U Off when I was 14, but it does not stand the test of time. I listen to that song and say "What was Prince thinking???" (Obviously, we know what Prince was thinking.) But I can listen to songs like Kiss and Paisley Park and think... "That man is a genious". There was a time and a place for the smut on Dirty Mind and Controversy. I understand this. And many of you... myself included... appreciate/appreciated it. But looking back, at the "non-art smut", I cringe. With that being said, the man is matured into the greatest artist there ever was... or will be... with the state of music and the crap on the radio today, and the direction of music. The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else! |
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Shango said: ..."Dirty Mind" is like a major Warner underground release that they pressed up in the middle of the night on coke, laughing, because there was no-one around to stop them...
...then sunrise came and they started packing that shit on the truck and it was too late. Then "Controversy" came out... mega star!...” Robert O'Dell http://citinite.wordpress...he-rebels/ EXACTLY!!!!! 
Agreed! lol The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else! |
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MantuaPharoah said: There's nothing artful about Head Maybe not, but it's playful and fun. RIP | |
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MantuaPharoah said: Shango said: ..."Dirty Mind" is like a major Warner underground release that they pressed up in the middle of the night on coke, laughing, because there was no-one around to stop them...
...then sunrise came and they started packing that shit on the truck and it was too late. Then "Controversy" came out... mega star!...” Robert O'Dell http://citinite.wordpress...he-rebels/ EXACTLY!!!!!
Agreed! lol Uhm, the controversial hype helped Prince to rise to his stardom. That is what Robert O'Dell is describing there, not the other way around. | |
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MantuaPharoah said: Shango said: ..."Dirty Mind" is like a major Warner underground release that they pressed up in the middle of the night on coke, laughing, because there was no-one around to stop them...
...then sunrise came and they started packing that shit on the truck and it was too late. Then "Controversy" came out... mega star!...” Robert O'Dell http://citinite.wordpress...he-rebels/ EXACTLY!!!!!
Agreed! lol Remember when I met U, baby U were on your way 2 be wed U were such a sexy thing I loved the way U walked, the things U said And I was so nonchalant I didn't want U 2 be misled But I've gotta have U, baby I gotta have U in my bed And U said - "I'm just a virgin and I'm on my way 2 be wed But U're such a hunk so full of spunk, I'll give U..." CHORUS: Head till U're burnin' up Head till U get enough Head till U're love is red Head - love U till U're dead U know U're good, girl I think U like 2 go down U wouldn't have stopped but ah... I came on your wedding gown And U said - "I must confess, I wanna get undressed and go 2 bed" With that, I jammed U fool, U married me instead! Now morning, noon, and night I give U... Head Head Head Head Head Head Head Head Head | |
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Well I'm 41, and not only am I very glad but I'm proud that he released songs like "Head" and "Jack U Off" back in the day. And if he released songs like that today with explicit lyrics like that and with that same sounding funk, I'd still love it.
What's to be embarassed about, that kids might hear it? Well, hell Prince ain't for no damn kids anyway. I'll tell you what is embarassing though, Prince watering his music down with modern shit hop influences and slang. Now that's what's embarassing. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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