New topic
PrintableBigDaddyHQ said: dothejump said: You are doing the exact same thing. And that is only natural. It doesn't however mean that one is right and the other not.
Maybe I'm using to many words. I'll break it down simple. You DO NOT call some one a liar simply because their life experience is different from your's. Just because you have not experienced something does not qualify you to call them a liar. Before getting into detail of subject matter.. that is an ignorant thing to do regardless. If you think calling some one a liar on a subject you have no clue about is OK... then... I don't know what to tell you. Cultural difference has nothing to do with that aspect. I'll just remember my own words "Always remember that on the Org... you are NOT allowed to associate any style of music with any culture or demographic of people." Prince is a musical icon. He has great importance to the African American community and is an artists we are proud of. Its a shame that on a fan site dedicated to him... its taboo for 'us' to express any relationship he and his music has to the African American Community and R&B music. People speak of being open minded... but its actually very closed minded when you suppress or express a refusal to understand that these aspects exist and are true to the lives of many of his fans. I'm sorry if other communities... other radio... other walks of life... don't get into any aspect of Prince the way that African Americans do his slow jams (and R&B in general) Music is at the very essence of our culture. I'm sorry you guys don't have that same relationship with this aspect of his music we do. It is what it is... and just because you can't understand that does not mean that relationship does not exist. Again...Bravo... | |
- E-mail - orgNote -  Report post to moderator |
SUPRMAN said: The Nazi Party and the Gestapo are older than 1940, no? 1933-1945 but you know what I mean. BigDaddyHQ said: You DO NOT call some one a liar simply because their life experience is different from your's. Just because you have not experienced something does not qualify you to call them a liar. If it was only about being called a liar you should have said a simple "I know what I hear around here." What makes me itchy is that Pat Boone, Elvis and Malcolm X show up in replies. If someone thinks you're lying bringing that up doesn't make it better you are just making it a cultural difference. [Edited 6/14/09 10:19am] Formerly known as Parade @ HQ and formerly proud owner of www.paradetour.com | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
dothejump said: If it was only about being called a liar you should have said a simple "I know what I hear around here." What makes me itchy is that Pat Boone, Elvis and Malcolm X show up in replies. If someone thinks you're lying bringing that up doesn't make it better you are just making it a cultural difference. [Edited 6/14/09 10:19am] I really am not sure... why do you just pick and choose isolated points of an argument and ignore the whole statement? You do realize when you do this you repeatedly take what is said out of context. I should have said,..? You got 'itchy' when Boone, Elvis or X got mentioned...? You think 'that' is what turned this into an issue of cultural difference..? Just leave it alone gurl... you have no clue. Your ability to try and build defenses for the person(s) who were being offensive in the first place will never cease to amaze me MantuaPharoah said: I can't believe I started this whole mess. ANYWAY... can we please get back onto the subject. Yes you did and you need to re-read your original post... and the title of the thread you posted. You asked for the haters to state why they didn't like the song. You said "Whatever the reason... now is your chance. What's your problem with the song????" Well... this is a discussion board... which means you are going to get discussion not just from the 'haters'... but the 'lovers' as well. In other words... everything stated has been on subject and is in fact exactly what you asked for. Got a little deeper and extended when some added their two cents. But as I said, this is a discussion board and their are more than enough pennies to go around whether we like what they say or not. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Forgot to add. I made statements which suggested that the song Adore has always been and still is a very well loved song in the Black Community... so much so that its rated as one of the greatest and still gets airplay and is a favorite in many of 'our' clubs, parties and homes.
Got called a liar... was asked to prove my statements with links. I did. I'm done.  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
BigDaddyHQ said: I really am not sure... why do you just pick and choose isolated points of an argument and ignore the whole statement? You do realize when you do this you repeatedly take what is said out of context. I should have said,..? You got 'itchy' when Boone, Elvis or X got mentioned...? You think 'that' is what turned this into an issue of cultural difference..? Just leave it alone gurl... you have no clue. Your ability to try and build defenses for the person(s) who were being offensive in the first place will never cease to amaze me And again you are downgrading me. First you said I was using 'excuses' and that I defend 'culturally offensive statements' (since when is there a universal standard to call something offensive?). And now you are calling me 'girl', that I should leave it alone and that I am amazing when it comes to building defenses for people who were offensive. Mmmm. I have a total different idea of discussing. Furthermore, the Pat Boone/Elvis thing was already mentioned in two posts before I joined in so I thought, but I'm just a girl who hasn't got a clue, that it was OK to post my opinion about that. Looking forward to our next 'discussion'  Formerly known as Parade @ HQ and formerly proud owner of www.paradetour.com | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
dothejump said: BigDaddyHQ said: I really am not sure... why do you just pick and choose isolated points of an argument and ignore the whole statement? You do realize when you do this you repeatedly take what is said out of context. I should have said,..? You got 'itchy' when Boone, Elvis or X got mentioned...? You think 'that' is what turned this into an issue of cultural difference..? Just leave it alone gurl... you have no clue. Your ability to try and build defenses for the person(s) who were being offensive in the first place will never cease to amaze me And again you are downgrading me. First you said I was using 'excuses' and that I defend 'culturally offensive statements' (since when is there a universal standard to call something offensive?). And now you are calling me 'girl', that I should leave it alone and that I am amazing when it comes to building defenses for people who were offensive. Mmmm. I have a total different idea of discussing. Furthermore, the Pat Boone/Elvis thing was already mentioned in two posts before I joined in so I thought, but I'm just a girl who hasn't got a clue, that it was OK to post my opinion about that. Looking forward to our next 'discussion' I think the point that seems to be going over your head is this: BDHQ was simply responding to a post that basically called him a liar about his experiences dealing with the song "Adore" in the context of African-American culture.... Most of the people who he took to task in this thread were folks who saw little wrong with some folks making questionable statements on things they know nothing about... I never saw BDHQ call anyone a liar or dismiss someone else's cultural experiences as someone else did...But here's the thing...We all say things that can be looked as culturally insensitive....I've done it in the past...But the great thing is we can learn from such mistakes...Unfortunately, some folks in this thread can not admit they made an honest mistake... | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
^Nothing is going over my head. Read my posts again in the specific order that I posted them. Formerly known as Parade @ HQ and formerly proud owner of www.paradetour.com | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
dothejump said: ^Nothing is going over my head.
Actually, it is going over your head.... But it's all good... | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
|
murph said: dothejump said: And again you are downgrading me. First you said I was using 'excuses' and that I defend 'culturally offensive statements' (since when is there a universal standard to call something offensive?). And now you are calling me 'girl', that I should leave it alone and that I am amazing when it comes to building defenses for people who were offensive. Mmmm. I have a total different idea of discussing. Furthermore, the Pat Boone/Elvis thing was already mentioned in two posts before I joined in so I thought, but I'm just a girl who hasn't got a clue, that it was OK to post my opinion about that. Looking forward to our next 'discussion' I think the point that seems to be going over your head is this: BDHQ was simply responding to a post that basically called him a liar about his experiences dealing with the song "Adore" in the context of African-American culture.... Most of the people who he took to task in this thread were folks who saw little wrong with some folks making questionable statements on things they know nothing about... I never saw BDHQ call anyone a liar or dismiss someone else's cultural experiences as someone else did...But here's the thing...We all say things that can be looked as culturally insensitive....I've done it in the past...But the great thing is we can learn from such mistakes...Unfortunately, some folks in this thread can not admit they made an honest mistake... i can and i did, with an apology on top. I was only responding to a sweeping generalisation in the first place but fuck it, every black person "loves them some Maxwell". so be it. I'm an 'individualist', not Racist, person takes it OTT, well fuck them. You walk into me when you aren't looking where you're going, being a good mannered person, I will probably apologise first myself, and you don't apologise to me, you're a cunt, whatever you're colour. |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Wow, way to suck the fun out of this thread. Now it's just like Adore.  | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
TheKing662 said:[quote] murph said: True words... im sayin dat black people love the song,and i know dat other people love the song.Im just sayin it in a cocky way.[/qu I don't feel you have to get defensive about your comment at all. I'm white and worship Adore but I do feel that it is a definitively Black American sound-and there is nothing wrong with that. Someone has said here that on the Org you can't categorise music against a demographic. for Goodness sake this song was written in 1987 and everything was categorised so you have to take that in to consideration when judging how the song was received at the time. Someone asked on the org recently what was the backlash against Prince post Purple Rain-well this was one of the reasons. PR,ATWIAD,Parade could be listened to in the main without any sense of race.SOT's was the first album once he was this famous that drew on the history of Afro American music (Hope I'm terming it right coz UK here). It had a far weightier underbelly-which made it excellent but I feel it was probably the first time since 1982 where princce had face anybody judging him as a Black artist. If we can't bring the history of race in to a debate then we are living in very cowardly times. It wasn't til the late eighties that the black community was given their due with music-God in the sixties white boys fronted black music. Today we can't relate to this and rightly so | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
I don't think there are that many Adore "haters", just people who think it is overrated.
I like Adore, it's a great song. But, I just don't agree with statements like yours that it is the best song of all time. As to "Why" someone doesn't like it, it's just a matter of preference. What sounds great to some won't sound so great to others, as with any song. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
MantuaPharoah said: prodigalfan said: I don't like the organ and the whoops he sings. Even the tone and tempo that he sings and then harmonzies himself... It sounds too gospel to me. The gospel sound is part of the charm. He's diggin' chick on some holy level. No offense, I respect all opinions... but I think that some people who think that this song is nothing special, simply haven't "studied" this song. It's perfect on so many levels that are beyond the obvious. I feel like Charlie Murphy when he said "I CHALLENGE you to play Prince in a game of basketball. I CHALLENGE YOU!!!" With that being said... I CHALLENGE nay sayers of Adore to study the song... every little ethereal nook and cranny. I CHALLENGE YOU!!!! The song is not at all cheesy. Listen to the way Prince says "When we be makin' love..." in the second verse. Have you ever heard the word "love" pronounced so beautifully. What he means here is that it's the most amazingly beautifull thing he's ever experienced! Listen to it!!!!! Like I said... I CHALLENGE YOU to study Adore, nay sayers!! I CHALLENGE YOU!!!!! So we can't genuninely not completely love the song? Believe me, I've "studied" it, and, while I think it's a good song, I just don't like it at the level some others do. I get sick of the "if you don't agree with me, you don't 'get it'" sentiment among proponents of songs, albums, artists, etc. | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
Uh..um....i came in here to say i danced to Adore at my wedding (along with Van Hunt "precious")...but something happend to this thread sinced i last visited it..."running away fast" | |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
|
SavonOsco said: Uh..um....i came in here to say i danced to Adore at my wedding (along with Van Hunt "precious")...but something happend to this thread sinced i last visited it..."running away fast"
Tell me about it, Savon!  They destroyed my thread!! lol  The public is squeezin' you kiddo. You'd better kick ass on your next album or else! |
| - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator |
