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Thread started 05/27/09 7:17pm

jill4life

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Can someone explain why the sound of the guitar on 77 Beverly Park sounds differerent than on most other songs?

If its a different type of guitar, please explain.

Thanks,
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Reply #1 posted 05/27/09 7:23pm

nurseV

Mandolin? eek




It reminds me of Mandolin Rain by Bruce Hornsby and the Range
[Edited 5/27/09 19:41pm]
[Edited 5/27/09 19:58pm]
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Reply #2 posted 05/27/09 7:27pm

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I'm not sure what exact patch Prince used to create the upright piano sound on this track, but it's some sort of emulator that he ran his guitar through.
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Reply #3 posted 05/27/09 7:28pm

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squirrelgrease said:

I'm not sure what exact patch Prince used to create the upright piano sound on this track, but it's some sort of emulator that he ran his guitar through.



hmmm
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Reply #4 posted 05/27/09 7:37pm

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squirrelgrease said:

I'm not sure what exact patch Prince used to create the upright piano sound on this track, but it's some sort of emulator that he ran his guitar through.

i agree
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Reply #5 posted 05/27/09 9:01pm

TheKing662

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars
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Reply #6 posted 05/27/09 9:13pm

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TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars


I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.
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Reply #7 posted 05/27/09 9:15pm

jill4life

squirrelgrease said:

I'm not sure what exact patch Prince used to create the upright piano sound on this track, but it's some sort of emulator that he ran his guitar through.



Did you mean "patch" or "pitch" and I guess I look up upright piano and emulator, thanks.
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Reply #8 posted 05/27/09 9:16pm

jill4life

TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars



Is this a brand name?
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Reply #9 posted 05/27/09 9:25pm

jill4life

jill4life said:

TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars



Is this a brand name?



Yipes, Les Paul is the "father" of the electric guitar lol
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Reply #10 posted 05/27/09 9:45pm

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jill4life said:

squirrelgrease said:

I'm not sure what exact patch Prince used to create the upright piano sound on this track, but it's some sort of emulator that he ran his guitar through.



Did you mean "patch" or "pitch" and I guess I look up upright piano and emulator, thanks.


Patch. Meaning, it very well could be software added to a digital effects rig. It could also be a stand-alone digital effects processor that has this sound built into it's firmware. I hear "upright piano" when I listen to it, but it's probably called something else. Plus, Prince most likely had other processes going on to get the sound he was looking for.

There are all-in-one products that can make your guitar sound like a banjo, ukulele, sitar etc., at the touch of a button.
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Reply #11 posted 05/28/09 5:52pm

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I wish that I could tell what kind of guitar Prince is using when he records...but I can't...I'd like to understand those differences. cool
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Reply #12 posted 05/28/09 7:07pm

speedballjamm

squirrelgrease said:

TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars


I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.


The guitar he is playing in those videos is a Gibson Les Paul Junior. they have a single P-90 pickup which has a pretty unique sound… basically an oversized single coil. Great fun to play smile
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Reply #13 posted 05/28/09 8:56pm

TheKing662

squirrelgrease said:

TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars


I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.

he did play a les paul
http://ecnirp.over-blog.c..._jpeg.html
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Reply #14 posted 05/28/09 9:15pm

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speedballjamm said:

squirrelgrease said:



I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.


The guitar he is playing in those videos is a Gibson Les Paul Junior. they have a single P-90 pickup which has a pretty unique sound… basically an oversized single coil. Great fun to play smile


This is the I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar, and after some searching, it is a Gibson, but a Gibson L6S Deluxe. It does have dual humbuckers, is light and has bright Tele/Strat tonal qualities from what I've read. It was the first Gibson to have 24 frets.



This is the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad guitar. Is it an Ibanez? I don't know. But it also features dual humbuckers. Anyone know what this here guitar is?

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Reply #15 posted 05/28/09 9:20pm

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TheKing662 said:

squirrelgrease said:



I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.

he did play a les paul
http://ecnirp.over-blog.c..._jpeg.html


That's actually a George Benson Ibanez semi-hollow body.
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Reply #16 posted 05/28/09 10:11pm

jill4life

nurseV said:

Mandolin? eek




It reminds me of Mandolin Rain by Bruce Hornsby and the Range
[Edited 5/27/09 19:41pm]
[Edited 5/27/09 19:58pm]



Just an aside, I used to looooove Bruce Hornsby's songs. lol
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Reply #17 posted 05/28/09 10:12pm

jill4life

TheKing662 said:

squirrelgrease said:



I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.

he did play a les paul
http://ecnirp.over-blog.c..._jpeg.html



This has got to be the coolest guitar ever:

http://ecnirp.over-blog.c..._jpeg.html
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Reply #18 posted 05/28/09 10:18pm

jill4life

squirrelgrease said:

jill4life said:




Did you mean "patch" or "pitch" and I guess I look up upright piano and emulator, thanks.


Patch. Meaning, it very well could be software added to a digital effects rig. It could also be a stand-alone digital effects processor that has this sound built into it's firmware.

There are all-in-one products that can make your guitar sound like a banjo, ukulele, sitar etc., at the touch of a button.



Is what you've described ^ the thing that a musician steps on? It has pedals - sort of?
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Reply #19 posted 05/28/09 10:31pm

jill4life

Tame said:

I wish that I could tell what kind of guitar Prince is using when he records...but I can't...I'd like to understand those differences. cool





Me 2. biggrin
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Reply #20 posted 05/28/09 11:19pm

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jill4life said:

squirrelgrease said:



Patch. Meaning, it very well could be software added to a digital effects rig. It could also be a stand-alone digital effects processor that has this sound built into it's firmware.

There are all-in-one products that can make your guitar sound like a banjo, ukulele, sitar etc., at the touch of a button.



Is what you've described ^ the thing that a musician steps on? It has pedals - sort of?


Yes. Prince seems to own the entire Boss pedal catalog. He also uses a Wah-Wah and a Digitech Whammy pedal. There are digital and analog guitar effects pedals, computer plug-ins, rack-mount processors, in-line effects and amplifier effects. The endless combinations can make it very difficult to pinpoint exactly what makes a certain song sound the way it does. You really almost have to have some inside information. Unfortunately, Prince has never spoken in-depth about the technical stuff. Hopefully Takumi, an engineer or someone else from Prince's camp will one day fill us in.

Prince's live set-up circa Planet Earth according to http://www.photopix.ch/gu...e&Itemid=2 :



Play around with this. Boss virtual pedal board: http://www.bossus.com/go/vpb-2/

Also more interactive pedals: http://www.bossus.com/exp...ive_demos/

This shows what pedals were used on tons of songs: http://www.bossus.com/go/...index.html
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Reply #21 posted 05/29/09 8:34am

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Reply #22 posted 05/29/09 5:47pm

jill4life

squirrelgrease said:

jill4life said:




Is what you've described ^ the thing that a musician steps on? It has pedals - sort of?


Yes. Prince seems to own the entire Boss pedal catalog. He also uses a Wah-Wah and a Digitech Whammy pedal. There are digital and analog guitar effects pedals, computer plug-ins, rack-mount processors, in-line effects and amplifier effects. The endless combinations can make it very difficult to pinpoint exactly what makes a certain song sound the way it does. You really almost have to have some inside information. Unfortunately, Prince has never spoken in-depth about the technical stuff. Hopefully Takumi, an engineer or someone else from Prince's camp will one day fill us in.

Prince's live set-up circa Planet Earth according to http://www.photopix.ch/gu...e&Itemid=2 :



Play around with this. Boss virtual pedal board: http://www.bossus.com/go/vpb-2/

Also more interactive pedals: http://www.bossus.com/exp...ive_demos/

This shows what pedals were used on tons of songs: http://www.bossus.com/go/...index.html



Thank you, lots of fun and quite amazing. I haven't tried every distortion yet, but I will. biggrin
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Reply #23 posted 05/29/09 7:20pm

Funklov

squirrelgrease said:

TheKing662 said:

i dont know but i hate les paul guitars


I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.


I remember a pic of Prince on stage with The Bangles where he is playing a Les Paul. Was probably borrowed from a band member for the appearance though.
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Reply #24 posted 05/30/09 9:08pm

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Funklov said:

squirrelgrease said:



I don't know if Prince has ever rocked a Gibson, let alone a Les Paul. They're a pretty heavy guitar. I could see him taking to a lighter SG. I've only seen him use dual humbucker configured guitars in a couple of instances - in the Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad and I Wanna Be Your Lover videos. But who knows if he recorded with these guitars. Maybe. The I Wanna Be Your Lover guitar kinda has a Les Paul shape.


I remember a pic of Prince on stage with The Bangles where he is playing a Les Paul. Was probably borrowed from a band member for the appearance though.


Right you are.
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Reply #25 posted 05/30/09 11:16pm

jill4life

So, not to start trouble but was Les Paul really the "father" of the electric guitar? Seems I saw a movie once which showed a crude version of a guitar hooked up to a battery or some other electronic gizzmo of some sort?
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Reply #26 posted 05/30/09 11:29pm

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jill4life said:

So, not to start trouble but was Les Paul really the "father" of the electric guitar? Seems I saw a movie once which showed a crude version of a guitar hooked up to a battery or some other electronic gizzmo of some sort?


It's kind of a Henry Ford deal. Ford didn't invent the automobile, but gave it mass appeal.
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Reply #27 posted 05/30/09 11:58pm

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jill4life said:

So, not to start trouble but was Les Paul really the "father" of the electric guitar? Seems I saw a movie once which showed a crude version of a guitar hooked up to a battery or some other electronic gizzmo of some sort?


I think George Beauchamp is the inventor of the electric guitar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Beauchamp

One of the founders of Rickenbacker.
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Reply #28 posted 05/31/09 12:15am

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coolcat said:

jill4life said:

So, not to start trouble but was Les Paul really the "father" of the electric guitar? Seems I saw a movie once which showed a crude version of a guitar hooked up to a battery or some other electronic gizzmo of some sort?


I think George Beauchamp is the inventor of the electric guitar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Beauchamp

One of the founders of Rickenbacker.


Adolph Rickenbacker is most often recognized as the creator of the electric guitar. His was a semi-hollow body design. Years later, Les Paul put pickups on a solid wooden constructed guitar which he would present to Gibson. Les Paul gets credited for invention of the solid-body electric, but that's up for debate. There are earlier patents on similar designs.

Interestingly, both a Rickenbacker and a Les Paul are shown being played in the above Prince/Bangles pic.
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Reply #29 posted 05/31/09 12:25am

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squirrelgrease said:

coolcat said:



I think George Beauchamp is the inventor of the electric guitar...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w..._Beauchamp

One of the founders of Rickenbacker.


Adolph Rickenbacker is most often recognized as the creator of the electric guitar. His was a semi-hollow body design. Years later, Les Paul put pickups on a solid wooden constructed guitar which he would present to Gibson. Les Paul gets credited for invention of the solid-body electric, but that's up for debate. There are earlier patents on similar designs.

Interestingly, both a Rickenbacker and a Les Paul are shown being played in the above Prince/Bangles pic.


hmmm interesting. the stories I'm reading seem to say that George Beauchamp had invented a crude electric guitar setup... then enlisted the help of others... eventually Adolph rickenbacker... and they built the electric frying pan...

But I've heard the name Adolph Rickenbacker before... never heard of George Beauchamp...
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