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Printableernestsewell said: OldFriends4Sale said: He was definately a part of the Prince camp early on like 83 but via Sheila E.....
Eddie M. Jill Jones, engineer Susan Rogers & Miko Weaver this is like 83/84 I have that pic of the 4 of them. Okay "part of the Prince camp" and "in the band" are different. that's my point. And yes he was on Mountains, but that was released in 1986, and recorded in late 85 at some point. So we're talking the difference of a couple of months. In 1985 The Revolution released a video while filming UTCM. Miko and the other 5 members weren't in the band YET, officially - not in public. We're on the same page. Oh, you're on the same page NOW. You weren't BEFORE OldFriends posted that pic. You were swearing up and down that Miko wasn't connected to P untill 86. Wrong. All joy was saying was that Miko would play in P's band ,The Revolution, during the PR tour wich was 84/85. Which is true. Anybody that actually went to the shows would have seen that. What u were swearing up and down about Miko, that wasn't even what joy was talking about. But there u go again, trying to go against what somebody was saying. That's what I was just saying in the other post. You come across like you're this major ass authoritive on everything when you're obviously not. MANY people on here know the facts, i.e. dates, etc. about stuff. You're too quick on the draw when you really don't even have the bullets in your pistol. If you're going to be so quick to come at somebody in the manner that u do, it's best that you know what you're talking about first... SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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I've always felt, like someone above said, that it's actually Prince wearing Dr. Fink's getup. It looks like 'im, and sounds like the kind of joke he'd pull.
Either way, I'm so glad that this artwork was chosen for the final album cover. The original was too literal, and butt-ugly, to boot!  |
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: I always thought that Michael Jackson is in this painting Not. Even. That's the beauty in it, isn't it? But you KNOW that isn't Michael HOW? Just because YOU say it isn't? You're NOT the first to think it's Sheila. It's OBVIOUS to think it's Sheila strictly based on the outfit the figure is wearing. BUT the same is with the figure who MANY people thought was P just because the figure is wearing the cloud outfit and playing P's guitar. When it looks nothing like P in the face or body type. It looks like Brown Mark, who I believe that's who it is. It looks just like Mark in a Prince outfit minus P's heels. But it looks just like Mark as much as the figure looks just like Matt and Bobby. Many of us assume that the figure playing the violin is Lisa although it looks NOTHING like Lisa in the face. My point is is that I believe it to be Michael...My opinion. Don't know it to be FACT. Just like someone else mentioned that Prince is one of the figures in the hooded robes. That's a good pick because one of them in the face does resemble P. That's their opinion just like I said the Old man could represent P for the reasons I gave. But none of us on here is coming across like their the ONLY person who KNOWS except for you. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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simm0061 said: It is actually Susannah holding the violin. She mentioned to a friend of mine that she had to hold that pose for something like 3 hours...
Cool...That's WHY the album cover is cool, like I stated much earlier. THIS has been going on since the album came out. Which is exactly what I think P wanted. But yeah, I stated that everyone ALWAYS thought it was Lisa, including me. Although like I said, it doesn't look shit like Lisa in the face. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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I'm with BGZ.
It's really cool to read all the interpretations people can get from that cover; one may agree or disagree with a given opinion, but you have to respect it and not go WRONG just because you don't think the same. Lion -- Go Peter go!! | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Sheila E was a part of the Prince camp too but not an official band member until SOTT, even though she played/sang on ATWIAD Parade & Dream Factory same with Jill Jones I'm not even saying Mico was a part of the band for the Parade tour, I'm saying he wasn't official until SOTT(tour) Mico was a touring guitarist from 84Glamorous Life/Purple Rain Romance 1600/the Family Parade Sign of the Times, Mico was a studio guitarist for Romance 1600 the Family Mountains (don't know what he contributed via Jill Jones or the Dream Factory or SOTT) most likely recorded on the Black album and definately on Lovesexy Batman & Graffiti Bridge[/quote] Exactly. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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ernestsewell said:  The guy holding the tiger is right out of the Watchtower!  My Legacy
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blackguitaristz said: simm0061 said: It is actually Susannah holding the violin. She mentioned to a friend of mine that she had to hold that pose for something like 3 hours...
Cool...That's WHY the album cover is cool, like I stated much earlier. THIS has been going on since the album came out. Which is exactly what I think P wanted. But yeah, I stated that everyone ALWAYS thought it was Lisa, including me. Although like I said, it doesn't look shit like Lisa in the face. yes, that's why the cover they used is so much more interesting than the original. They are posed or dressed like _____ but don't have their faces. It's weird & cool. And there's no right or wrong answer, just an interpretation. Isn't that what art is all about? My Legacy
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I remember reading somewhere back in 85 that the old man crying was supposed to be Prince's father. I too always thought that was Lisa with the violin and Wendy I thought was the Clara Bow figure. So if its not them then where are they? And the reason I said Miko with the ice cream is what I read too along with the old man being Prince's pops. So where is W&L? And is it safe to say that the two purple robed figures are Brooks and Wally guarding Prince in the white robe? __________________________________________________
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joyinrepetition said: I remember reading somewhere back in 85 that the old man crying was supposed to be Prince's father. I too always thought that was Lisa with the violin and Wendy I thought was the Clara Bow figure. So if its not them then where are they? And the reason I said Miko with the ice cream is what I read too along with the old man being Prince's pops. So where is W&L? And is it safe to say that the two purple robed figures are Brooks and Wally guarding Prince in the white robe?
I always believed Wendy to be the little girl on the see saw. Although the face of that figure doesn't look jack like Wendy. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: ernestsewell said: He wasn't in the band, partner, until 1986. Regardless, that's not Miko on the album cover. It's plainly a girl. A girl in a moustache? You're saying that it's Sheila when joy is saying it's Miko. Who it does also look like Miko. I believe it's Michael Jackson. But it DOES also look like Miko, who I have thought that in the past as well. I just know that P was always looking to do something "sick" so the pose is dead on Michael from Thirller. Like I stated earlier, I dig it because it's open for many different things. You also SWORE that Wendy was the figure in the skirt, which you were wrong about. Because that's obvioulsy Clara Bow. My point is is that you act like you know for a FACT who is who when you obviously don't. I stated right away that people like myself, who were into Prince from the jumpstreet all had different opinions on who was who. And that's all fine. Because it is all opinions. There is no debate on Bobby, Matt etc. I think it's cool that people think the members are different people. But when you're coming back at everyone like "No! It's NOT them...Hmmmphh, It's THAT person!" when you already was dead wrong about where Wendy was, just shows that you don't have the knowledge to be attempting to shoot down everybody's opinion. NONE of us were there when P was telling the artist, "I want this and this" and so on. Your  vs my . It's a draw. | |
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blackguitaristz said: Oh, you're on the same page NOW. You weren't BEFORE OldFriends posted that pic. You were swearing up and down that Miko wasn't connected to P untill 86. Wrong. All joy was saying was that Miko would play in P's band ,The Revolution, during the PR tour wich was 84/85. Which is true. Anybody that actually went to the shows would have seen that. What u were swearing up and down about Miko, that wasn't even what joy was talking about. But there u go again, trying to go against what somebody was saying. That's what I was just saying in the other post. You come across like you're this major ass authoritive on everything when you're obviously not. MANY people on here know the facts, i.e. dates, etc. about stuff. You're too quick on the draw when you really don't even have the bullets in your pistol. If you're going to be so quick to come at somebody in the manner that u do, it's best that you know what you're talking about first... Dude, if you're going to ride my dick so much today, you could at least take me to dinner first. | |
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NDRU said: blackguitaristz said: Cool...That's WHY the album cover is cool, like I stated much earlier. THIS has been going on since the album came out. Which is exactly what I think P wanted. But yeah, I stated that everyone ALWAYS thought it was Lisa, including me. Although like I said, it doesn't look shit like Lisa in the face. yes, that's why the cover they used is so much more interesting than the original. They are posed or dressed like _____ but don't have their faces. It's weird & cool. And there's no right or wrong answer, just an interpretation. Isn't that what art is all about? Exactly. P is TOO clever, he doesn't do the OBVIOUS with anything. ESPECIALLY back then. P always wanted to keep people guessing. That was his thing. He KNEW people would be searching for where he was in the painting. As a kid, my first thought was that the Old man was supposed to be P's dad. But as time went by, I thought that it could "represent" P himself for the reasons I stated much earlier. The white robed figure, in the face, DOES resemble Prince in a way. I noticed that when I was a kid too. The band members who I have always been the most ceratin of in my mind was Fink, Bobby, Brown Mark. Lisa and Wendy. Although with Lisa and Wendy, the figures are nothing like either one. And the face of Fink looks like an "AGED" version of Fink. The only two members in the band where u can really see their faces and the faces actually looks like them are Bobby and Mark. And KINDA Matt. And the face in the white robe does resemble P. But the figure with the ice cream, that pose I feel is too evoke that of Michael on the cover of Thriller. THAT'S an ICONIC album cover and EVERYBODY knows MJ's pose on that cover. I have ALWAYS thought that's who it was to represent. Doesn't mean it's true of course cuz fuck if I know BUT that's what I feel. To me, that FITS Prince like a glove to throw Michael up in the painting. ESPECIALLY dressed in a females outfit. The face kinda resembles Michael as well as does it resembles Miko. Obviously it's Sheila's outfit but again, I think it's on MJ's body!  SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: A girl in a moustache? You're saying that it's Sheila when joy is saying it's Miko. Who it does also look like Miko. I believe it's Michael Jackson. But it DOES also look like Miko, who I have thought that in the past as well. I just know that P was always looking to do something "sick" so the pose is dead on Michael from Thirller. Like I stated earlier, I dig it because it's open for many different things. You also SWORE that Wendy was the figure in the skirt, which you were wrong about. Because that's obvioulsy Clara Bow. My point is is that you act like you know for a FACT who is who when you obviously don't. I stated right away that people like myself, who were into Prince from the jumpstreet all had different opinions on who was who. And that's all fine. Because it is all opinions. There is no debate on Bobby, Matt etc. I think it's cool that people think the members are different people. But when you're coming back at everyone like "No! It's NOT them...Hmmmphh, It's THAT person!" when you already was dead wrong about where Wendy was, just shows that you don't have the knowledge to be attempting to shoot down everybody's opinion. NONE of us were there when P was telling the artist, "I want this and this" and so on. Your vs my . It's a draw.Nah, I was ONLY giving my 2 cents. YOU were being MR.Know It ALL and "I'm the ONLY one who KNOWS and everyone else is WRONG". Big difference. It's no "draw" because I'm not in a compettion with anybody. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: Oh, you're on the same page NOW. You weren't BEFORE OldFriends posted that pic. You were swearing up and down that Miko wasn't connected to P untill 86. Wrong. All joy was saying was that Miko would play in P's band ,The Revolution, during the PR tour wich was 84/85. Which is true. Anybody that actually went to the shows would have seen that. What u were swearing up and down about Miko, that wasn't even what joy was talking about. But there u go again, trying to go against what somebody was saying. That's what I was just saying in the other post. You come across like you're this major ass authoritive on everything when you're obviously not. MANY people on here know the facts, i.e. dates, etc. about stuff. You're too quick on the draw when you really don't even have the bullets in your pistol. If you're going to be so quick to come at somebody in the manner that u do, it's best that you know what you're talking about first... Dude, if you're going to ride my dick so much today, you could at least take me to dinner first. Sorry dude, but I DON'T swing that way. I don't ride dicks and I certainly wasn't riding yours. But if you equate me commenting on what you do to everyone simply stating their opinons to "riding your dick" then that's ALL on you. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Nah, I was ONLY giving my 2 cents. YOU were being MR.Know It ALL and "I'm the ONLY one who KNOWS and everyone else is WRONG". Big difference. It's no "draw" because I'm not in a compettion with anybody.
I never said I knew it all. YOU said that about ME. But then again, there's a great saying that "What you think of me is none of my business." YOU made it a personal battle. Perhaps when we can just have a good debate or conversation, we'll revisit it. | |
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EmeraldSkies said: ernestsewell said: [
And you can plainly see the mountain region in the back to be a woman in a prone position with her legs propped up at the knee.  I never noticed that before. Anyway the artist that painted the cover for ATWIAD,and "The Face" in the Purple Rain album insert is Doug Henders. 
That guy behind the doctor looks like Edward Scissorhands. Wow, that is amazing, i had never noticed that either. A record I've had for 20 years, and Im still finding new things. And the scissorhands has very nice cheekbones too.  My name is Naz!!! and I have a windmill where my brain is supposed to be.....
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Madhouse always reminded me of the 3 robed people from the ATWIAD album
the orchestra from the Raspberry Beret video were dressed in the robes Bobby Z the man in black Wendy the woman sticking her finger in a hole(that was something we did back then to signify sex) Wendy the woman playing the violin Dr Fink of course Brown Mark clothing isn't seen on the cover Prince in the sky suit This album was so colorful and mysterious, one of the things I love about this album in particular. So much going on lyrically musically and the history behind a lot of stuff | |
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: Nah, I was ONLY giving my 2 cents. YOU were being MR.Know It ALL and "I'm the ONLY one who KNOWS and everyone else is WRONG". Big difference. It's no "draw" because I'm not in a compettion with anybody.
I never said I knew it all. YOU said that about ME. But then again, there's a great saying that "What you think of me is none of my business." YOU made it a personal battle. Perhaps when we can just have a good debate or conversation, we'll revisit it. Nope...Me commenting on what I did doesn't make it a battle. It's simply me commenting. Period. Because you were NEVER dabating with me or anyone else. You were on that absolute trip where you're right and EVERYBODY else is wrong. That's NOT debating and certainly NOT conversing. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: Nope...Me commenting on what I did doesn't make it a battle. It's simply me commenting. Period.
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: Nope...Me commenting on what I did doesn't make it a battle. It's simply me commenting. Period.
Back atcha sunshine. Nah, THAT doesn't work either. Gotta take my WHOLE post into the matter. NOT just the part you think you can use just for a benifit of a comeback. Besides, the part that u lifted from me doesn't even apply to me....Damn. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Nice thread, ooh look at Prince with the cloud outfit on,  [Edited 6/1/09 19:02pm] | |
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ernestsewell said: blackguitaristz said: Nope...Me commenting on what I did doesn't make it a battle. It's simply me commenting. Period.
Back atcha sunshine. Give up D.W. the man's exposed your know it all ass! Ha Ha. |
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OldFriends4Sale said: joyinrepetition said: Not to beat a dead horse and no fighting words but Miko was in Prince's band during the PR Tour and in 85. Maybe Boris can give you some insight. Sheila E's band toured with Prince & the Revolution on the PR tour(opening act) Mico was the guitarist for Sheila E along with Susie(keyboards), Eddie M(sax) Miko wasn't an official band member for Prince until SOTT he was a touring/recording guitarist 4 Sheila E and the Family he was pulled in at the disbanding of the Family the way:Jerome,Eric Leeds & Susannah were pulled in, for the tour. He played guitar on Mountains. But he was a part of Sheila's band officially for the Sheila E album He was definately a part of the Prince camp early on like 83 but via Sheila E. (they were high school friends) and became friends with Prince then, through an interview he said he was hanging out at Prince's house when Prince let him get a peak at the ATWIAD album. Eddie M. Jill Jones, engineer Susan Rogers & Miko Weaver this is like 83/84 [Edited 6/1/09 10:50am] Wow, that first picture is cool and rare. Jill Jones looks so young and cute. Anymore studio shots? I don't think I've ever seen Susan Rogers in the mix. Any pictures of her and Prince in the studio? Please, baby, baby, Please! | |
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I just noticed the girl on the see saw wearing a SKI BOOT !! Damn all these years and still finding new stuff . . . .amazing
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jdcxc said: OldFriends4Sale said: Sheila E's band toured with Prince & the Revolution on the PR tour(opening act) Mico was the guitarist for Sheila E along with Susie(keyboards), Eddie M(sax) Miko wasn't an official band member for Prince until SOTT he was a touring/recording guitarist 4 Sheila E and the Family he was pulled in at the disbanding of the Family the way:Jerome,Eric Leeds & Susannah were pulled in, for the tour. He played guitar on Mountains. But he was a part of Sheila's band officially for the Sheila E album He was definately a part of the Prince camp early on like 83 but via Sheila E. (they were high school friends) and became friends with Prince then, through an interview he said he was hanging out at Prince's house when Prince let him get a peak at the ATWIAD album. Eddie M. Jill Jones, engineer Susan Rogers & Miko Weaver this is like 83/84 Wow, that first picture is cool and rare. Jill Jones looks so young and cute. Anymore studio shots? I don't think I've ever seen Susan Rogers in the mix. Any pictures of her and Prince in the studio? Please, baby, baby, Please! Jill DOES look super cute BUT in this pic, she looks sad as hell. I think P took that girl through some shit. She was in trouble when she fell in love with P, I think. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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I will take "what kind of questions let you know that Prince World is getting boring these days" for 200 Alex. | |
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japanrocks said: I will take "what kind of questions let you know that Prince World is getting boring these days" for 200 Alex.
 It started good, but now it's a pissing contest.  | |
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great thread
i heard that the 'girl on the seesaw' was AMY CARTER. |
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eyewishuheaven said: Either way, I'm so glad that this artwork was chosen for the final album cover. The original was too literal, and butt-ugly, to boot!
what did the original artwork look like?? Love God. Love Music. Love Life. | |
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