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Well... usually these types of list are very subjective and shows strong bias against black guitarist in general. With the exceptions of a few genre defining guitarist who happen to be black (Hendricks, Berry, Bo Diddly) you rarely see others named. Of course if we mention this... people always throw thier names up as the 'black' representation But they are the exception and not the general rule.and more so... you wouldn't have rock guitar as you know it today if it weren't for these guys. So that is an accomplishment of cultur,e blacks can be proud of.
But there are still many greats past and present who gets ignored. Where's Muddy Waters, BB King, Ernie Isley..? I'm sorry but half of this list couldn't hold their pics. And when you think about it... you know I'm right. I noticed Eddie Hazel on the list which is cool. Its not racist to observe a list with 100 guitarist and only a handful of blacks are named and think a bias may exist. | |
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Rebelution said: Gohi said: Hey cool, it's the internet so I will magically believe that you got your "ex" to post a glowing testimonial of you. (what kind of man tells his friends / exes to respond to young'ns on the web anyways? A total loser, I'm willing to bet). This racism thing is so unfounded considering how the list has black guitarists WHO AREN'T DEAD. Just be quiet. You made an unfounded and dumb statement and you can't back it up. Btw, this is Prince. No more candy 4 u. give me your fucking number you little prick. you wanna hear the "glowing testimonial" straight from the horse's mouth??? you'll hear it...and more. Now you're calling your ex a horseface? Wow... harsh, bro. | |
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No Jack White or Kelly Jones?!? tsk tsk Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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MajesticOne89 said: DerekH said: Is that why Prince plays like and used to try to look like Jimi? Purple Haze came before Purple Rain.... The Experience came before The Revolution..... Like I've said before, I like them both, but Prince WAS and if you listen to "Dreamer" and then listen to "Voodoo Child (slight return)" still IS influenced by Jimi....but I think that's a good thing. Not to argue who's the better guitarist, but on a different note, is it not possible for something or someone to surpass their influence/predecessor? Certainly! However, if you plan making this type of comparison be prepared to offer some solid musical examples to support your claim. People please...before you get your collective draws in a bunch over these bullsh*t list consider the source. Y'all ought to know better by now! LOL! -Peace- -K- [Edited 5/18/09 15:00pm] |
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BigDaddyHQ said: Well... usually these types of list are very subjective and shows strong bias against black guitarist in general. With the exceptions of a few genre defining guitarist who happen to be black (Hendricks, Berry, Bo Diddly) you rarely see others named. Of course if we mention this... people always throw thier names up as the 'black' representation But they are the exception and not the general rule.and more so... you wouldn't have rock guitar as you know it today if it weren't for these guys. So that is an accomplishment of cultur,e blacks can be proud of.
But there are still many greats past and present who gets ignored. Where's Muddy Waters, BB King, Ernie Isley..? I'm sorry but half of this list couldn't hold their pics. And when you think about it... you know I'm right. I noticed Eddie Hazel on the list which is cool. Its not racist to observe a list with 100 guitarist and only a handful of blacks are named and think a bias may exist. Agree. These guitarist lists are always culturally biased and slanted to a particular brand of "rock" guitar that has all showy effects and no soul or compositional quality. For example, I think P is a more interesting guitarist when he is playing funk or blues based licks that are balanced by his brilliant compositional mind. Speed and distortion do not a brilliant guitarist make. Ask George Benson. And by the way, where is Robert Johnson on the list? It's a joke that all the blues mimics (Keith Richards) make the last but not the originals. The problem is that these lists are produced by 50 year-old "classic" rock journalists who don't love Funkadelic, the Ohio Players, Zapp or the Isly's. Hell, Roger Troutman could blow away alot of those guitarists. Angus Young, the Edge...please, those guys have been playing the same tired stuff for thirty years. Half the people on this list have no rythmic or melodic sense. I would dread the "greatest" drummer list. | |
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muirdo said: No Jack White or Kelly Jones?!?
tsk tsk That's what I was thinking. Where is Jack White and Buddy Guy? I have seen 40 of the 100 on that list. [Edited 5/18/09 17:31pm] | |
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free0001 said: Your favorite guitar player is the 'greatest guitar player'.
My favorite 'guitarist' is Prince. Not because he plays the quickest licks; no, it's because he plays some of the most melodious 'slow licks'. Example: Colonised Mind - 1:50 to 2:12 It's Prince's style and technique that I dig. U dig? I dig, lol.....Think your last statement summed up what many think. I'm no guitar player, and don't know much about technique compared to others, but I do know that Princes' style is in a class by itself.....  | |
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This list got No. 1 right on the money, just like I've stated before. It's cool that P is on there though. | |
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jdcxc said: BigDaddyHQ said: Well... usually these types of list are very subjective and shows strong bias against black guitarist in general. With the exceptions of a few genre defining guitarist who happen to be black (Hendricks, Berry, Bo Diddly) you rarely see others named. Of course if we mention this... people always throw thier names up as the 'black' representation But they are the exception and not the general rule.and more so... you wouldn't have rock guitar as you know it today if it weren't for these guys. So that is an accomplishment of cultur,e blacks can be proud of.
But there are still many greats past and present who gets ignored. Where's Muddy Waters, BB King, Ernie Isley..? I'm sorry but half of this list couldn't hold their pics. And when you think about it... you know I'm right. I noticed Eddie Hazel on the list which is cool. Its not racist to observe a list with 100 guitarist and only a handful of blacks are named and think a bias may exist. Agree. These guitarist lists are always culturally biased and slanted to a particular brand of "rock" guitar that has all showy effects and no soul or compositional quality. For example, I think P is a more interesting guitarist when he is playing funk or blues based licks that are balanced by his brilliant compositional mind. Speed and distortion do not a brilliant guitarist make. Ask George Benson. And by the way, where is Robert Johnson on the list? It's a joke that all the blues mimics (Keith Richards) make the last but not the originals. The problem is that these lists are produced by 50 year-old "classic" rock journalists who don't love Funkadelic, the Ohio Players, Zapp or the Isly's. Hell, Roger Troutman could blow away alot of those guitarists. Angus Young, the Edge...please, those guys have been playing the same tired stuff for thirty years. Half the people on this list have no rythmic or melodic sense. I would dread the "greatest" drummer list. I doubt this list was compiled by a 50 year old Classic Rock Jounalist. There is a fair amount of diversity within the (complete) list. Let me state again I don't give any real credence to these list as the critera usually isn't stated up front and it's purely subjective. I put my trust in my own ears & taste. You gotta consider the source & take take it with a grain of salt! However, this list does state it's criteria. "Criteria: - Guitarists are ranked for their impact, influence,creativity, versatility, originality, technical skill and lasting popularity in the genre of Rock guitar." This of course is highly debatable. This list was edited to 100 entries. The entire list at the link is 200 with an unnumbered supplemental list of a slew of other guitarist. Now that whole issue of bias be it racial or even gender is a whole other discussion. |
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Thanks 4 the laugh. | |
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 Only #72? This list is crap. | |
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Revolution said: MajesticOne89 said: Not to argue who's the better guitarist, but on a different note, is it not possible for something or someone to surpass their influence/predecessor? The answer is "yes", and we've all seen it. People rave about Jimi because he was took it up a notch, but have ya seen Prince live? I think that people judge Prince from what they hear on CD and are too lazy to hear him live. Whatever... Right ON. I love this discussion. By the way, Hendrix was a big part of my musical life... listened 2 'Electric Ladyland' and 'Axis: Bold As Love' THOUSANDS of times. Knew about Jimi way before I knew about Prince. YES. Prince has surpassed a few of the great innovators on guitar, including Jimi... but I really don't like comparing one musician 2 another. [Edited 5/19/09 10:47am] "He's a musician's musician..." |
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...and with that being said, I must say this list was well thought out.
FAR better than that Rolling Stone crap. PRINCE should be far higher up, but what can U do, right? At least they gave Jeff Beck a high rating. He's tragically underrated. "He's a musician's musician..." |
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Giovanni777 said: YES. Prince has surpassed a few of the great innovators on guitar, including Jimi... but I really don't like comparing one musician 2 another. [Edited 5/19/09 10:47am] I agree, nothing against the man at all, he revolutionized guitar playing, doing things never seen before, but bring back Jimi as a zombie now and he'd be astounded by Prince. Prince is more than just a guitar player, much more. |
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Well... usually these types of list are very subjective and shows strong bias against black guitarist in general.
Why do you think that? Did you spoke to the people who did set up that list? Maybe you are rather subjective in your bias against journalistst who you simply ASSUME have a bias against black guitarists? | |
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On topic:
Prince should be a lot higher in that list, at least in the top 50. (at least higher then someone like Gary Moore, IMO) And i missing some names also: Were is Bill Frissel? Were is Richard Thompson? And were is Nick Drake for example? Or should a great guitarist, always be someone who plays an electric guitar? | |
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Riverpoet31 said: On topic: Prince should be a lot higher in that list, at least in the top 50. (at least higher then someone like Gary Moore, IMO) And i missing some names also: Were is Bill Frissel? Were is Richard Thompson? And were is Nick Drake for example? Or should a great guitarist, always be someone who plays an electric guitar? Gary Moore is a better player than Prince. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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gary moore is not better guitar player then prince | |
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gary moore is no sloch hes great in what he does but
when he is standing on the same stage with those who he imitates gary stands pale in comparasion. if you wantto go tehnical i think prince can play faster and more expensive licks then gary moore . his timing and rhythm is so perfect that whatever he plays it sounds great,gary moore dont have that kind of timing and i listen to both i listened to thin lizz,gary moore solo as hard rock and blues player so i know what i'm talking about | |
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thebanishedone said: gary moore is no sloch hes great in what he does but when he is standing on the same stage with those who he imitates gary stands pale in comparasion. if you wantto go tehnical i think prince can play faster and more expensive licks then gary moore . his timing and rhythm is so perfect that whatever he plays it sounds great,gary moore dont have that kind of timing and i listen to both i listened to thin lizz,gary moore solo as hard rock and blues player so i know what i'm talking about nice reply. to be honest theriverpoet could have picked someone else and i probably wouldn't have taken the bait lol. I dont like these top guitarist lists. Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
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Riverpoet31 said: Well... usually these types of list are very subjective and shows strong bias against black guitarist in general.
Why do you think that? Did you spoke to the people who did set up that list? Maybe you are rather subjective in your bias against journalistst who you simply ASSUME have a bias against black guitarists?  
I think I answered this question quite well already in the context of what I said. Others added to this thought as well. Read man... READ!!! | |
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Rebelution said: Gohi said: Where does your random racism statement fit in with this linear logic of yours? PS: I may be a "BOY" but it looks like I'm smarter than you already, bro. uh, son--this is rebel's "ex"--I am 100% african-american. rebelution doesn't have an inch of racism in him, you understand? He was tryin to make the point that if prince were white, he wouldn't have to go through the shit that a black guitarist goes through. white rock guitarists are a dime a dozen. it's not the same for black guitarists, or the list would read differently. now, i can't STAND prince because he DOES play rock guitar. i'm more into rhythm and blues. His funk doesn't even do it for me anymore. as far as you being smarter than rebelution, he got a 34 on his ACT. He's got a Master's Degree. Now, beat that, young'n. So, you and rebelution not together anymore..... 
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DerekH said: Revolution said: Jimi couldn't carry Prince's guitar pick....there, I said it.
Is that why Prince plays like and used to try to look like Jimi? Purple Haze came before Purple Rain.... The Experience came before The Revolution..... Like I've said before, I like them both, but Prince WAS and if you listen to "Dreamer" and then listen to "Voodoo Child (slight return)" still IS influenced by Jimi....but I think that's a good thing. Michael Jordan was certainly heavily influenced by Dr. J, that didn't stop him from being better. Prince is too low on both lists. And shouldn't Barry Gibb be somewhere on list #2? |
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mcmeekle said: Rebelution said: uh, son--this is rebel's "ex"--I am 100% african-american. rebelution doesn't have an inch of racism in him, you understand? He was tryin to make the point that if prince were white, he wouldn't have to go through the shit that a black guitarist goes through. white rock guitarists are a dime a dozen. it's not the same for black guitarists, or the list would read differently. now, i can't STAND prince because he DOES play rock guitar. i'm more into rhythm and blues. His funk doesn't even do it for me anymore. as far as you being smarter than rebelution, he got a 34 on his ACT. He's got a Master's Degree. Now, beat that, young'n. So, you and rebelution not together anymore.....
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