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Thread started 05/10/09 12:57am

TheKing662

I Think The 90's Prince is Just as Good as The 80's Prince

Just Think about it

Diamonds and Pearls
The Gold Experience
Graffiti Bridge
Girl 6
Emancipation
Love Symbol

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Reply #1 posted 05/10/09 1:11am

peter430044

TheKing662 said:

Just Think about it

Diamonds and Pearls
The Gold Experience
Graffiti Bridge
Girl 6
Emancipation
Love Symbol



Prince continued to make great music throughout the 90s. Cream, Space, I Hate U, The Love We Make, The One etc. The 90s are often criticized too much on this forum in my opinion, but still, it doesn't fully compare to the 80s. The 80s had killer albums like 1999, Purple Rain, Parade and Sign O The Times, albums on which he did almost nothing wrong.
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Reply #2 posted 05/10/09 1:12am

ernestsewell

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For me it's a great decade over all, the high points being Exodus, Come, Gold Experience, and Chaos. Emancipation was a nice cap on it, as it started (for me) with the prince album. CB was a big outtake for the decade, NPS was.....eh. D&P I never did quite get into, although I don't hate the album and I'm just done with GB. I don't hate it, I just lost interest in it.

Overall, a VERY highly productive period for Prince. It's a mirror of the same time period in the mid 80's between 1982 and 1988. Same thing, different decade. I wonder which one he put more music out in though, for those six years? Hmmm.
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Reply #3 posted 05/10/09 1:14am

ernestsewell

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Prince continued to make great music throughout the 90s. Cream, Space, I Hate U, The Love We Make, The One etc. The 90s are often criticized too much on this forum in my opinion, but still, it doesn't fully compare to the 80s. The 80s had killer albums like 1999, Purple Rain, Parade and Sign O The Times, albums on which he did almost nothing wrong.


I think it's apples and oranges. Prince's mood and goals changed. His sound changed. His band changed. His name changed. HE changed. He was more angry, anxious, and heady. The 80's were just good pop fun, despite the turmoil of bad relationships, love or band related. The 90's had him falling in love with a girl, yet falling OUT of love with WB. Very interesting juxtaposition which spawned great music. I've always said when Prince is angry or opposed with something, it's then that he makes great music. When he got free and happy and all that is when his music started to suffer. I don't want the dude miserable, but he needs less yes men around him.
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Reply #4 posted 05/10/09 1:20am

TheKing662

to me i just liked the way he approached the r&b side.with songls like "i hate" "somebody's somebody" the sound of "graffiti bridge"(song). the 80's prince still is my favorite but if i keep on finding more good 90's songs he want be for long
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Reply #5 posted 05/10/09 1:23am

peter430044

ernestsewell said:

peter430044 said:

Prince continued to make great music throughout the 90s. Cream, Space, I Hate U, The Love We Make, The One etc. The 90s are often criticized too much on this forum in my opinion, but still, it doesn't fully compare to the 80s. The 80s had killer albums like 1999, Purple Rain, Parade and Sign O The Times, albums on which he did almost nothing wrong.


I think it's apples and oranges. Prince's mood and goals changed. His sound changed. His band changed. His name changed. HE changed. He was more angry, anxious, and heady. The 80's were just good pop fun, despite the turmoil of bad relationships, love or band related. The 90's had him falling in love with a girl, yet falling OUT of love with WB. Very interesting juxtaposition which spawned great music. I've always said when Prince is angry or opposed with something, it's then that he makes great music. When he got free and happy and all that is when his music started to suffer. I don't want the dude miserable, but he needs less yes men around him.


A really interesting experiment would be to let someone start with listening to the 90s and another one start by listening to the 80s.
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Reply #6 posted 05/10/09 1:24am

eelco

Some of 90's Prince IS actually as good as some of 80's Prince WAS.....wink
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Reply #7 posted 05/10/09 1:25am

eelco

ow and ehm: Girl 6 is 80% 80's Prince smile
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Reply #8 posted 05/10/09 2:27am

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I like both era's, but in the 1990's, his peak was from 1992-1996. The NPG lineup by the time The Gold Experience came out is my favorite lineup of the NPG and the songs from that era are among my favorite. The 1980's are epic in so many ways, but here is my breakdown.

If you compare the two decades in a 10 year flashback (studio albums of original material---excluding Greatest Hits, internet releases, Girl 6)

1990(Grafitti Bridge) vs. 1980 (Dirty Mind)= Dirty Mind

1991(Diamonds & Pearls) vs. 1981(Controversy)=Controversy

1992 (0(+>) vs 1982 (1999)=Tie (my two favorite albums)

1993-nothing

1994(Come) vs 1984(Purple Rain)= Purple Rain

1995 (The Gold Experience) vs. 1985(Around the World in a day)=The Gold Experience

1996(Emancipation/Chaos & Disorder) vs. 1986(Parade)=Parade (although I love Chaos & Disorder)

1997 (nothing) vs. 1987(Sign O the Times)=Sign O the Times

1998(New Power Soul) vs. 1988(Lovesexy)=Lovesexy

1989(Batman soundtrack) vs. 1999(Rave)=Rave
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Reply #9 posted 05/10/09 10:31am

ernestsewell

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I like both era's, but in the 1990's, his peak was from 1992-1996. The NPG lineup by the time The Gold Experience came out is my favorite lineup of the NPG and the songs from that era are among my favorite.


Good layout and comparison. Just think if TGE had been released in 1994, it would have lined up against Purple Rain, and it really is PR part 2, or PR for the 90's.

I agree about that NPG lineup. Once he dropped Levi, the dancers, and just honed it down to Sonny, Michael, Tommy, Morris, and himself, it was a true rock band that could kick anyone's ass. I was really disappointed to see it break up and put in folks like Kat Dyson and Kirk Johnson. It suffered a lot at that time.

I agree also that 92-96 was probably the best time period for him. It's a very close call with the same period in the 80's. But again, it's apple and oranges. A LOT Of the 80's stuff was just him, experimenting and trying new things. The 90's was all that knowledge in full throttle. It's hard to chose a favorite.
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Reply #10 posted 05/10/09 11:13am

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I like both era's, but in the 1990's, his peak was from 1992-1996. The NPG lineup by the time The Gold Experience came out is my favorite lineup of the NPG and the songs from that era are among my favorite.


Good layout and comparison. Just think if TGE had been released in 1994, it would have lined up against Purple Rain, and it really is PR part 2, or PR for the 90's.

I agree about that NPG lineup. Once he dropped Levi, the dancers, and just honed it down to Sonny, Michael, Tommy, Morris, and himself, it was a true rock band that could kick anyone's ass. I was really disappointed to see it break up and put in folks like Kat Dyson and Kirk Johnson. It suffered a lot at that time.

I agree also that 92-96 was probably the best time period for him. It's a very close call with the same period in the 80's. But again, it's apple and oranges. A LOT Of the 80's stuff was just him, experimenting and trying new things. The 90's was all that knowledge in full throttle. It's hard to chose a favorite.



Co-sign. I always felt that those early 90's and late 90's albums where his weakest, but the mid 90's that's 92-96 was awesome. the lyrics were a bit lame from time to time but as for the music it was on point!
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Reply #11 posted 05/10/09 2:29pm

SCORPI09

Not in my opinion. Prince's music has clearly gone downhill starting when he released Chaos & Disorder in 1996. In the 80's, he released fantastic albums all the way thru (except 4 maybe the Batman soundtrack) batman
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Reply #12 posted 05/10/09 2:38pm

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1980-1988... Outstanding, the essential albums:

Dirty Mind,
Controversy
1999
Purple Rain
ATWIAD
Parade
SOTT
The Black Album
Lovesexy

I can't say that about the 1990s,

but the whole "The Dawn" era was outstanding too,

Come - Exodus - The Gold Experience = 1993-1995 cool

1996-1999 was disappointing imo.
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Reply #13 posted 05/10/09 3:06pm

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ernestsewell said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I like both era's, but in the 1990's, his peak was from 1992-1996. The NPG lineup by the time The Gold Experience came out is my favorite lineup of the NPG and the songs from that era are among my favorite.


Good layout and comparison. Just think if TGE had been released in 1994, it would have lined up against Purple Rain, and it really is PR part 2, or PR for the 90's.

I agree about that NPG lineup. Once he dropped Levi, the dancers, and just honed it down to Sonny, Michael, Tommy, Morris, and himself, it was a true rock band that could kick anyone's ass. I was really disappointed to see it break up and put in folks like Kat Dyson and Kirk Johnson. It suffered a lot at that time.

I agree also that 92-96 was probably the best time period for him. It's a very close call with the same period in the 80's. But again, it's apple and oranges. A LOT Of the 80's stuff was just him, experimenting and trying new things. The 90's was all that knowledge in full throttle. It's hard to chose a favorite.


The NPG of the Come/Gold Experience was on point. They were sleek in their delivery and the musicianship was excellent. The Emancipation through present incarnation of the NPG was too clean, too sedate and did not bring as much to the table (IMO)
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Reply #14 posted 05/10/09 3:07pm

Erika2k8

ITS GOOD just not as good as the 80's
80's made more of a mark MUSICALLY on the industry
constantly proved himself
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Reply #15 posted 05/10/09 3:38pm

ernestsewell

Erika2k8 said:

ITS GOOD just not as good as the 80's
80's made more of a mark MUSICALLY on the industry
constantly proved himself


The 90's means he didn't have to prove himself, but he did anyway, which made it spectacular.
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Reply #16 posted 05/10/09 4:13pm

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ernestsewell said:

Erika2k8 said:

ITS GOOD just not as good as the 80's
80's made more of a mark MUSICALLY on the industry
constantly proved himself


The 90's means he didn't have to prove himself, but he did anyway, which made it spectacular.



Yep. Especially early 90's, that's when some of my favorite albums by him were recorded music
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Reply #17 posted 05/11/09 9:27am

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COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I like both era's, but in the 1990's, his peak was from 1992-1996. The NPG lineup by the time The Gold Experience came out is my favorite lineup of the NPG and the songs from that era are among my favorite. The 1980's are epic in so many ways, but here is my breakdown.

If you compare the two decades in a 10 year flashback (studio albums of original material---excluding Greatest Hits, internet releases, Girl 6)

1990(Grafitti Bridge) vs. 1980 (Dirty Mind)= Dirty Mind

1991(Diamonds & Pearls) vs. 1981(Controversy)=Controversy

1992 (0(+>) vs 1982 (1999)=Tie (my two favorite albums)

1993-nothing

1994(Come) vs 1984(Purple Rain)= Purple Rain

1995 (The Gold Experience) vs. 1985(Around the World in a day)=The Gold Experience

I bought the Gold Experience based on I Hate U(one of my favorites) but in my opinion the rest of the music felt same it reminded me of what Janet Was doing after the Velvet Rope with the continuous flow(talking in between all 20 songs) it just didn't have the depth I believe Around the World in a Day had, the broadening of instruments and sounds compared to the same feel of the songs on the Gold Experience just doesn't compare in my book

1996(Emancipation/Chaos & Disorder) vs. 1986(Parade)=Parade (although I love Chaos & Disorder)

1997 (nothing) vs. 1987(Sign O the Times)=Sign O the Times

1998(New Power Soul) vs. 1988(Lovesexy)=Lovesexy

1989(Batman soundtrack) vs. 1999(Rave)=Rave

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Reply #18 posted 05/11/09 9:36am

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TheKing662 said:

Just Think about it

Diamonds and Pearls
The Gold Experience
Graffiti Bridge
Girl 6
Emancipation
Love Symbol



Diamonds & Pearls was a very good album
I always say that he was still riding of the purple vibes of the 80's
Graffiti Bridge he was going thru another change in band presence Sheila E Boni Boyer & Cat were gone,(even though they were on a few songs from GB of course written during the 88years) I think he was still in pain from the Susannah break up. Graffiti Bridge in my opinion isn't that great, a few remakes suck as Tick Tick Bang which the Dirty Mind/Controversy era version bloooowwwwws it out of the water.

Girl 6 is compiled of 80's songs

Emancipation... it's ok for what he was going thru, the battle with WB, money problems etc etc

Some of the songs from Lovesign to me, just felt like top 10 rnb songs with Prince's voice too it

and over all the whole rappish thing he tried to incorporate for me when rating those albums or songs will get a negative, because it just wasn't cutting edge Prince, it was conforming Prince...
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Reply #19 posted 05/11/09 9:46am

ernestsewell

OldFriends4Sale said:

Diamonds & Pearls was a very good album
.....and over all the whole rappish thing he tried to incorporate for me when rating those albums or songs will get a negative, because it just wasn't cutting edge Prince, it was conforming Prince...


He went through the change after Lovesexy. The band had changed after the Lovesexy tour, and when Batman came out in 1989, so by Graffiti Bridge in 1990, the band was all but established (with Fink, who did tour on the Nude Tour, but left camp after that). He was well over his pain of Susannah by early 1987. He had moved on to other chicks like Sheena Easton and Kim Basinger.

Girl 6 had 80's and 90's songs on it.

Emancipation had him OVER the WB fight and free of the contract, not IN it. If any album showed the WB struggle, it was The Gold Experience. Songs like "Dolphin", "Gold", and others noted that struggle, as did a lot of the Exodus album from the NPG.

You mean the 1.800.New.Funk album? "lovesign" was a single, not an album.

Prince and rap was him starting to follow the trends instead of create them, like he used to do.
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Reply #20 posted 05/11/09 10:10am

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ernestsewell said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Diamonds & Pearls was a very good album
.....and over all the whole rappish thing he tried to incorporate for me when rating those albums or songs will get a negative, because it just wasn't cutting edge Prince, it was conforming Prince...


He went through the change after Lovesexy. The band had changed after the Lovesexy tour, and when Batman came out in 1989, so by Graffiti Bridge in 1990, the band was all but established (with Fink, who did tour on the Nude Tour, but left camp after that). He was well over his pain of Susannah by early 1987. He had moved on to other chicks like Sheena Easton and Kim Basinger.

It all depends love pains can linger for a long time, and breakups with lovers and friends (Susannah Lisa & Wendy) I think were still in affect, we see the seclusion he went thru holding up in Paisley Park, Graffiti Bridge was in the works even during the Lovesexy era and bet it's probably worse than it could have been ... I didn't think he was 'seeing' Sheena Easton but Kim Basinger someone who could not replace Susannah, the relationship was a bore.

Girl 6 had 80's and 90's songs on it.

Your right it did but dominated by 80's songs
Even Pink Cashmere was inspired and written during the Lovesexy years


She Spoke 2 Me•
Pink Cashmere•Count The Days
Girls & Boys•
The Screams Of Passion•
Nasty Girl
Erotic City•
Hot Thing•
Adore•
The Cross
How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore?•
Don't Talk 2 Strangers
Girl 6

Emancipation had him OVER the WB fight and free of the contract, not IN it. If any album showed the WB struggle, it was The Gold Experience. Songs like "Dolphin", "Gold", and others noted that struggle, as did a lot of the Exodus album from the NPG.

I'll correct that I meant that Emancipation was the end of the WB fight and I with him going thru all that up to Emancipation I'll cut it some slack.

You mean the 1.800.New.Funk album? "lovesign" was a single, not an album.

Prince and rap was him starting to follow the trends instead of create them, like he used to do.
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Reply #21 posted 05/11/09 3:07pm

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It's all good. cool
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Reply #22 posted 05/11/09 4:35pm

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I actually prefer the 90's than the 80s to be honest...I just find it far more cool for some reason (days of wild etc)
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All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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