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Thread started 05/03/09 9:31pm

SCORPI09

Where's the Lotus Flow3r singles?

Why no singles released by Prince / Bria Valente from their new album(s) yet? music

"Ol' Skool Company", "Here eye Come", "Chocolate Box", "All This Love", "Dreamer" & "2Nite" as CD singles would b GREAT! CD

Especially if Prince released "Disco Jellyfish", "Colonized Mind", "Turn Me Loose", "Crimson & Clover", "Feel Better/Feel Good/Feel Wonderful" & "The Divine" as B-sides. nod
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Reply #1 posted 05/03/09 9:36pm

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Physical CD singles are pretty pointless these days. The album is cheap enough as it is. If he wants to put out some remixes and b-sides, then the website is a better forum for that.
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Reply #2 posted 05/04/09 9:05am

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toejam said:

Physical CD singles are pretty pointless these days. The album is cheap enough as it is. If he wants to put out some remixes and b-sides, then the website is a better forum for that.

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Reply #3 posted 05/04/09 9:33am

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There won't be singles.
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Reply #4 posted 05/04/09 7:27pm

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There won't be singles.


But Prince always releases singles 2 promote a new album! And what about Bria Valente's project?
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Reply #5 posted 05/04/09 7:36pm

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SCORPI09 said:

ernestsewell said:

There won't be singles.


But Prince always releases singles 2 promote a new album! And what about Bria Valente's project?


What single have you seen in the stores? Was there a single released to iTunes? The videos were for members only on his website, and have only gotten 15 seconds at a time played on a TV show. Is there a CD single at Target? Where's the remixes of "Chocolate Box" by Jr. Vasquez, Brothers in Rhythm, David Morales, Tracy Young, H2Q, Frankie Knuckles, Tony Moran, Stuart Price, Shep Pettibone, The Neptunes, Mirwais, or anyone?

And what about Bria's project? It's gotten as much attention as it could on Tavis' show. She's yet to sing anything live, or even appear anywhere singing. She talks about it a lot, but she's yet to take a deep breath and let us see her perform anything.
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Reply #6 posted 05/11/09 12:08pm

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ernestsewell said:

SCORPI09 said:



But Prince always releases singles 2 promote a new album! And what about Bria Valente's project?


What single have you seen in the stores? Was there a single released to iTunes? The videos were for members only on his website, and have only gotten 15 seconds at a time played on a TV show. Is there a CD single at Target? Where's the remixes of "Chocolate Box" by Jr. Vasquez, Brothers in Rhythm, David Morales, Tracy Young, H2Q, Frankie Knuckles, Tony Moran, Stuart Price, Shep Pettibone, The Neptunes, Mirwais, or anyone?

And what about Bria's project? It's gotten as much attention as it could on Tavis' show. She's yet to sing anything live, or even appear anywhere singing. She talks about it a lot, but she's yet to take a deep breath and let us see her perform anything.

I agree with u Ernest. I wish Bria would get out there and promote her own stuff. She should be on Dancing With the Stars singing "Everytime" while 2 dancers do the rumba or some other Latin dance.
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Reply #7 posted 05/11/09 12:27pm

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singles are a product of record labels to promote a new album, and to keep interest in the album in the following weeks. prince is not associated with any record company forcing him to distribute cds with one song on them.

you have all 3 cds. why do you need singles of the songs you already have?
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Reply #8 posted 05/11/09 12:56pm

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musichead said:

singles are a product of record labels to promote a new album, and to keep interest in the album in the following weeks. prince is not associated with any record company forcing him to distribute cds with one song on them.

you have all 3 cds. why do you need singles of the songs you already have?

I think that we are mostly talking about releasing singles to radio. Not singles via iTunes or retail outlets.
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Reply #9 posted 05/11/09 1:41pm

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what's "The Divine", I have never heard about this song????
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Reply #10 posted 05/11/09 2:36pm

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What I don't get is Chocolate Box or Crimson and Clover not getting airplay on MTV, VH1, or BET. I assume that it hasn't been made available to them. Having a video in regular rotation can be very powerful. It's obvious that the appearances don't seem to work past about 200-250K in sales.
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Reply #11 posted 05/11/09 2:41pm

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audience1 said:

What I don't get is Chocolate Box or Crimson and Clover not getting airplay on MTV, VH1, or BET. I assume that it hasn't been made available to them. Having a video in regular rotation can be very powerful. It's obvious that the appearances don't seem to work past about 200-250K in sales.

None of the stations you mentioned play videos. They have countdowns, but they do reality tv all day and night.
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Reply #12 posted 05/11/09 3:11pm

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audience1 said:

What I don't get is Chocolate Box or Crimson and Clover not getting airplay on MTV, VH1, or BET. I assume that it hasn't been made available to them. Having a video in regular rotation can be very powerful. It's obvious that the appearances don't seem to work past about 200-250K in sales.

None of the stations you mentioned play videos. They have countdowns, but they do reality tv all day and night.


MTV has AMTV. Nocturnal State and Jump Start are on VH1 almost every day. There's also VH1 Soul and MTV Hits. Black Sweat got a lot of airplay on those stations, which I think really helped 3121 go Gold. BET Jazz plays non-jazz music, including some Prince; although I'm not sure if they're still around. Sorry, I guess I should have included the affiliated stations in my earlier post. You are definitely right about reality tv dominating the programming, at least the bulk of it, which is sad.
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thedance said:

what's "The Divine", I have never heard about this song????


Prince shows off a different side for '21 Nights'

By Edna Gundersen, USA TODAY

BEVERLY HILLS — Downstairs in a dimly lighted screening room crowded with sofas, Prince leafs through the first authorized book of his career.
"I wanted to document something that was never done before," he says, pausing at a photo of himself immersed in fog onstage. "I don't expect that record to be broken unless I break it."

Just over a year ago, he performed an unprecedented 21 sell-outs in London's 24,000-seat O2 arena, the year's highest-grossing engagement at $22 million.
The residency is chronicled in 21 Nights (Atria Books, $50), a coffee-table tome of Prince's lyrics and poetry and 124 previously unreleased photographs by Randee St. Nicholas, who shadowed His Purple Highness onstage, backstage, on the streets and in his hotel suite at The Dorchester.

Billed as an inner-sanctum invitation, 21 Nights, in stores next week, is hardly a slide show of an unshowered Prince watching pay-per-view in sneakers and beer-stained T-shirts. The style never stops as Prince, his band and his leggy twin dancers are snapped sporting impeccable designer garb in GQ-ready spreads. The shoots were "casual and spontaneous," he says, "but everyone had to be dressed up."

He writes in the book:
Eye'd rather dress 2 make a woman stare
Eye'm puttin' on somethin' that another won't dare
It's a freezer burn compared 2 cool

The Vogue Italia persona is no pose, says Nicholas, director of 150 music videos, the first being Prince's Gett Off in 1991.
"It may be glamorous to others, but that's his comfort zone," she says. "It's not like he changes to go out and be Prince. The guy looks amazing 24 hours a day."
When Prince suggested collaborating on a book, she proposed a fashion-centric chronicle of his London run.
"I knew I'd have him in one city, so he'd show up for photo shoots; he's a very elusive guy," says St. Nicholas, who has photographed music icons Bob Dylan, Diana Ross and Whitney Houston, as well as such Hollywood luminaries as Charlize Theron and Tom Cruise.
Because she shot primarily after hours, "there's a certain mood of isolation," she says. "You get a very intimate look at him by himself. His mystery is not something he works at. It's who he is."

Change of religion, life
Tonight, that mood of isolation permeates Prince's luxurious 30,000-square-foot Tuscan-style villa, perched high in a gated Beverly Hills enclave. The royal one, clad in a filmy white sweater over a black shirt and slacks with (shocker!) flip-flops, lives solo in the nine-bedroom home, where a cook is upstairs preparing food for a post-midnight gathering with friends and bandmates.
"I'm single, celibate and sexy," he says with a laugh. "I feel free."
After being introduced to Jehovah's Witnesses by friend and bass player Larry Graham, Prince converted in 2001. The onetime voracious womanizer who crooned Scandalous, Do It All Night, Sexy MF and Dirty Mind has purged his lyrics of naughty lingo and spends more time proselytizing than partying.
He's as likely to show up on a neighbor's doorstep with a Watchtower Bible as he is to frequent a hot club.

"Sometimes fans freak out," he says of his missionary encounters. "It might be a shock to see me, but that's no reason for people to act crazy, and it doesn't give them license to chase me down the street."
He turned 50 on June 7, but "being a Jehovah's Witness, I don't celebrate birthdays or holidays. I don't vote."
Reviewing a video of the sultry Te Amo Corazon, he points out his limited physical contact with co-star Mía Maestro of The Motorcycle Diaries. "That's another way faith has changed me," he says.

Screening the sensual Somewhere Here on Earth video, Prince admires another shapely love interest and says, "Back in the day, a woman that fine, I would have written some scenes together. But you can't get sexier than this. You sense it in the air."
Prince feels little connection to such past lightning rods as Do Me, Baby and Darling Nikki, which triggered Tipper Gore's warning-label crusade.
"I did the Dirty Mind tour and pushed that envelope off the table. What I didn't do, Madonna finished. I don't want to go back. You have to get out of your own way."

Music remains a passion. Not just a book, 21 Nights is a delivery system for Indigo Nights, a CD tucked inside. The 15 tracks, culled from post-concert club jams, include Delirious, Alphabet Street, covers of Whole Lotta Love and Rock Steady and two songs spotlighting protégé Shelby J.
He's turned down multiple book offers, "but now we have to look at every form of distribution," says Prince, who's exploring a TV channel start-up to unleash his massive video archives.

He's regarded as a maverick for fleeing the label system in favor of innovative distribution. In 2004, he bundled his Musicology album with concert tickets, grossing $85.3 million for 94 sold-out shows. Last year, he struck a deal with U.K. national newspaper The Mail, which included Planet Earth in its July 15 edition, leading Sony to cancel the album's British release.

"We weren't trying to upstage the record company," Prince says. "I just wanted to get new music out. I asked Sony, 'Were you planning to sell 3 million copies in London?' I sold 3 million copies overnight. That's a good, clear business deal."
A '90s contract dispute with Warner Bros. left Prince deeply distrustful of the industry. Today, he acts as his own manager and lawyer. Before last year's O2 residency, he negotiated before agreeing to perform under the arena's product signage.
"I looked at those ads and thought, hmm, Viacom, that's $1 million," he says. "There are all kinds of possible deals artists aren't privy to.
"I love to bring the Bible to the table. I ask if they believe in God, then: 'What kind of business do you want to conduct: transparent or hide the ball?' I'll do tours and albums if the deal is clean."

He'd consider an exclusive pact with a big-box retailer such as Wal-Mart or Target, and he's eyeing another big-city residency. A major label deal? Doubtful.
"Behind closed doors, they'll tell you it's over," he says. Record companies can't profit unless they retain ownership of artists' work, "and that's why labels are in a bad situation. People with content are going to win."
And yet Prince is sitting on loads of content in search of a platform. After blazing a trail online as an independent distributor, he grew disenchanted with the Internet and in 2006 shut down his 5-year-old New Power Generation Music Club. No official Prince sites remain (3121.com consists of a blank screen). Posting Prince content draws cease-and-desist orders.

Cyberspace "is a black hole to me," he says. "YouTube is the hippest network, and they abuse copyright right and left. You see a song like Purple Rain turned into Pure Cocaine; what should my response be? I chase the money to find out who's behind it. It's a matter of principle. I don't want my music bastardized."
He's not impressed by iTunes' terms or sales projections ("They give you a figure that's embarrassing"). While frustrated, Prince resists pessimism.
"I learned from Jehovah's Witnesses that a fatalistic view is counterproductive," he says. "An agent I was talking to earlier today had this viewpoint that someone has to win and someone has to lose. Nobody who thinks like that gets very far. Look at Frazier and Ali. Both of them got something out of that fight. I understand competition, but not the kind where someone has to die or be disenfranchised."

Passion 'all goes into music'
After visiting his library to read Scripture and weigh in on intelligent design, Prince strolls to his bedroom to share tunes that will be released when he determines a distribution route.
"When are we going to get back to the poetry of Smokey Robinson and Bob Dylan?" he says, sitting on the edge of a round bed under a heart-shaped mirror. His stereo includes the turntable his father gave him as a toddler. He learned to play guitar spinning LPs on it.

Right now, he's cranking newly crafted funk-pop-psychedelic wonders Boom, Forever and Dreamer, an ode to Martin Luther King Jr. inspired by discussions with Dick Gregory. He declines to play The Divine, a song so "mind-blowing" he doubts he'll ever release it. "The minute the harmonies hit, I put it away," he says.
On a love song, his voice takes on yearning as he pines for the feel of a lover's lips and the move of her hips. "That's what happens with years of celibacy," says Prince, survivor of two broken marriages. "It all goes into the music." He pauses. "This time, it has to be the right person."
For now, songs offer sufficient companionship. "Music to me is a life force," he says. "It's not what I do. It's what I am."
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Reply #14 posted 05/11/09 4:21pm

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daPrettyman said:

musichead said:

singles are a product of record labels to promote a new album, and to keep interest in the album in the following weeks. prince is not associated with any record company forcing him to distribute cds with one song on them.

you have all 3 cds. why do you need singles of the songs you already have?

I think that we are mostly talking about releasing singles to radio. Not singles via iTunes or retail outlets.


it still goes back to the record companies pushing a single to radio for record sales.
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Reply #15 posted 05/11/09 4:48pm

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musichead said:

daPrettyman said:


I think that we are mostly talking about releasing singles to radio. Not singles via iTunes or retail outlets.


it still goes back to the record companies pushing a single to radio for record sales.

That's true, but there is no reason why Prince shouldn't digitally service radio with a track or 2. Maybe even do a few call ins on morning shows and afternoon drives. Hell, the way radio is now, he could just do a few morning show call ins to Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Doug Banks Big Boy and Keith Sweat and he would have a big urban hit
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Reply #16 posted 05/11/09 6:25pm

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it still goes back to the record companies pushing a single to radio for record sales.

That's true, but there is no reason why Prince shouldn't digitally service radio with a track or 2. Maybe even do a few call ins on morning shows and afternoon drives. Hell, the way radio is now, he could just do a few morning show call ins to Tom Joyner, Steve Harvey, Doug Banks Big Boy and Keith Sweat and he would have a big urban hit


Exactly! Hell, what's the harm. Besides, Urban AC radio has played his songs over the years regardless of how hard they "seemed" to be pushed. A small example is Black Sweat, which didn't go for adds and yet was played enough to crack the Top 30 of that chart.
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Squirrelgrease: thanks for the reply cool
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